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[DKJaigen]

I think that peoples overestimate magic in da universe in that universe magic mean little in practice trained warrior can crush mage with little effort in da universe. there is no dealing with floods by mages.Mages in practice are guys that can shoot very weak version of flamethrower from their hands and it takes time to do that or have limited healing comparing to other universes because if wound is fatal mage can't cure that and modern medicine is a way better on long-term than da healing magic not mention that in every aspect technology destroys magic that currently stop technological advancement in thedas.

 

so ultimately we have little that mages can offer to help and huge damage they can and will cause...

 

game mechanic? well when templars crushed mages in da 2 or in asunder they didn't show their ultimate power they were just weak guys with weak powers. Magic in thedas is weak of course if we don't count blood magic and abomnations.There is no wonder that mages were prisoners for almost 1000 years if they are so weak. We hard only how magic is powerful yet it is only from some characters and thats theory in practice they never showed that power they claim to have...

 

That the tempars are capable of destroying circle mages doesnt make mages weak. the templar are after all trained to destroy circle mages. if the mages where bloodmages shapeshifters or arcane warriors the templars would all be destroyed as they have no answer to this form of magic.

[DKJaigen]

Technology is only usable by the 1%?

 

Mate your computer is using computer chips. only 0.0000001 % of the population knows how to design such chips.

 

And mages do not know hot farm make pots , or how to create houses. mages would just be a small cog in the great machine.

[TheKomandorShepard]

That the tempars are capable of destroying circle mages doesnt make mages weak. the templar are after all trained to destroy circle mages. if the mages where bloodmages shapeshifters or arcane warriors the templars would all be destroyed as they have no answer to this form of magic.

Well it does why because templars didn't had use even their anti-magic to deal with them only pure raw and all mages could respond were is weak flamethrowers that can be blocked with shield or force push if they had more power it would be good moment to use it instead dying don't you think.

 

as i said blood mage is moment when mages starts be rly dangerous and even more with abomnation. And clarification arcane warrior is worst kind of mage that could go against templar. Why first templars fight in close combat second arcane warrior skills won't help mage because templar will just turn it off and close combat with templar end with sucking their mana in few seconds like in asunder so in short arcane warrior is dead unless he mastered his non-magical skills

[Dean_the_Young]

Mate your computer is using computer chips. only 0.0000001 % of the population knows how to design such chips.

Because they were the ones who chose to learn that specialty- not because they were the only ones who could learn it. No one can learn to become a mage.

 

Which brings us back us back to the relevant question of if magic and technology are equivalents- can only 1% of the population practice technology?

[Lillian]

Let's not forget that the Tevinter Imperium, with their magic, sunk Arlathan... Don't underestimate magic in Thedas. It has been used to do cataclysmic things, from sinking entire cities to creating life, even if that life existed for only a few moments.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Let's not forget that the Tevinter Imperium, with their magic, sunk Arlathan... Don't underestimate magic in Thedas. It has been used to do cataclysmic things, from sinking entire cities to creating life, even if that life existed for only a few moments.

 

Blood mages with mythical creature/s on their side? 

Besides that perfectly shows how much destruction they brought and thats only 1 example...

 

Let be honest sufferind and destruction that mages caused >>>>>>> positive things they did.

[Lillian]

Blood mages with mythical creature/s on their side? 

Besides that perfectly shows how much destruction they brought and thats only 1 example...

 

Let be honest sufferind and destruction that mages caused >>>>>>> positive things they did.

...First of all, blood magic has nothing to do with that. The manipulation of nature; i.e. the Earth, is contained within the Primal School of Magic. Blood could have fueled such a thing, but that is simply out of blood magic's range. Apart from that, I mentioned that magic also created life, in a sense. Take this for what you will, but that crazy blood mage accomplished more than thousands of years of biological study in his relatively short life.

[EmissaryofLies]

All the more reason to antagonize them. At this point I sincerely hope that the Andrastians keep demonizing the mages to the point where Tevinter 2.0 does indeed occur. 

[Dean_the_Young]

...First of all, blood magic has nothing to do with that. The manipulation of nature; i.e. the Earth, is contained within the Primal School of Magic. Blood could have fueled such a thing, but that is simply out of blood magic's range. Apart from that, I mentioned that magic also created life, in a sense. Take this for what you will, but that crazy blood mage accomplished more than thousands of years of biological study in his relatively short life.

 

Er, did he?

 

I've always been under the impression he just did some really ugly cosmetic surgery and grafted body parts on Leandra. I can't recall any sign he created a new life that wasn't already there.

[Lillian]

Er, did he?

 

I've always been under the impression he just did some really ugly cosmetic surgery and grafted body parts on Leandra. I can't recall any sign he created a new life that wasn't already there.

I thought he was utilizing necromancy... I know his pupil wanted to learn its secrets, but I just assumed he killed Leandra and revived her after making those changes...

[TheKomandorShepard]

...First of all, blood magic has nothing to do with that. The manipulation of nature; i.e. the Earth, is contained within the Primal School of Magic. Blood could have fueled such a thing, but that is simply out of blood magic's range. Apart from that, I mentioned that magic also created life, in a sense. Take this for what you will, but that crazy blood mage accomplished more than thousands of years of biological study in his show life time.

There is no way mages could do that without powerful sacrifice by blood magic or insane amount of lyrium or other uknown source of power if mages could do such thing mage-templar war would be only for few seconds and mages would win... not to mention that blood magic makes you easier target for demons.

 

I didn't saw creating life by mages unless you mean creating abomnation however good luck with that  "life"

[Lillian]

There is no way mages could do that without powerful sacrifice by blood magic or insane amount of lyrium or other uknown source of power if mages could do such thing mage-templar war would be only for few seconds and mages would win... not to mention that blood magic makes you easier target for demons.

 

I didn't saw creating life by mages unless you mean creating abomnation however good luck with that  "life"

Again, blood magic is its own separate school... Yes, it probably took lots of sacrifices, but true blood magic entails biological manipulation and demonology...

Also, I was referring to Quentin.

[Dean_the_Young]

I thought he was utilizing necromancy... I know his pupil wanted to learn its secrets, but I just assumed he killed Leandra and revived her after making those changes...

 

I understood it as the necromancy magic is what kept Leandra from dying despite the grafting. Was there anything that indicated she had died?

[SeekerOfLight]

Quick question about something that's confused me for a while. 

 

In Origins if you ask for the mage boon, and the King and/or Queen grant it, the devs say that the Chantry just refuse to allow it. The reason for this is because the Thedosian nations have ceded mage oversight to the chantry, through some sort of official treaty i'm assuming.

 

My question is if that is the case, couldn't the monarch/monarchs just revoke the treaty, thereby relieving the chantry of its obligations to mages in Ferelden?

[Nocte ad Mortem]

It's VERY unclear what exactly the Leandra Frankenstein thing is. It appears to be maybe possessed by a desire demon at one point and you also see the souls of the women cut up to stitch it together. I get the impression he was trying to call his dead wife back into that body somehow, but my personal opinion is that maybe it was always a desire demon that possessed the body, primarily. 

[Master Warder Z_]

My question is if that is the case, couldn't the monarch/monarchs just revoke the treaty, thereby relieving the chantry of its obligations to mages in Ferelden?

 

Three things prevent this from ever becoming reality.

 

1. The Chantry controls the Lyrium trade with the surface, It could easily cease shipments to the Rogue Circle and Templars both, A Circle with out Lyrium is severely handicapped and ceases to be an effective institution.

 

2. The Chantry can easily cite that the Monarchy has been exposed to Mind Altering Magics and declare an exalted march, while the track record for these has been mixed to say the least, they are a successful method of uniting many nations together under the Chantry banner.

 

3. Fereldan isn't in any state to manage its own circle in the aftermath of the civil war and blight.

[Dean_the_Young]

Quick question about something that's confused me for a while. 

 

In Origins if you ask for the mage boon, and the King and/or Queen grant it, the devs say that the Chantry just refuse to allow it. The reason for this is because the Thedosian nations have ceded mage oversight to the chantry, through some sort of official treaty i'm assuming.

 

My question is if that is the case, couldn't the monarch/monarchs just revoke the treaty, thereby relieving the chantry of its obligations to mages in Ferelden?

 

Not necessarily- many treaties require mutual consent to end as a way to prevent fair-weather deals from being dropped at passing whims. Ferelden could not live up to its obligations, but defying them would be picking a fight even King Alistair doesn't show much indication of wanting.

 

Moreover, the Chantry doesn't derive its obligations to mages in Ferelden from the Ferelden monarchy: the Chantry derives its obligations about mages to the Andrastians in Ferelden. The nation is the agency with which the Chantry makes deals, but not the basis of the Chantry's involvement in the matter.

[Ryzaki]

It's VERY unclear what exactly the Leandra Frankenstein thing is. It appears to be maybe possessed by a desire demon at one point and you also see the souls of the women cut up to stitch it together. I get the impression he was trying to call his dead wife back into that body somehow, but my personal opinion is that maybe it was always a desire demon that possessed the body, primarily. 

 

Yeah I did that quest a few days ago you fight about 4 desire demons so yeah that's probably what happened. Each desire demon is called posession of (lady's name).

[wcholcombe]

...First of all, blood magic has nothing to do with that. The manipulation of nature; i.e. the Earth, is contained within the Primal School of Magic. Blood could have fueled such a thing, but that is simply out of blood magic's range. Apart from that, I mentioned that magic also created life, in a sense. Take this for what you will, but that crazy blood mage accomplished more than thousands of years of biological study in his relatively short life.

TKS's point with Arlathan is that they scarficed 1000 elves to find the blood to power the spell. That's a powerful spell that obviously the Magistrrs couldn't cast through Lyrium(they basically got all the lyrium the dwarved exported) so it would by default be blood magic.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I understood it as the necromancy magic is what kept Leandra from dying despite the grafting. Was there anything that indicated she had died?

Possibly the fact she died once Quentin did? "His magic was the only thing keeping her alive." I believe the quote is. But that can be taken both ways. 

 

The biggest fact for her being dead before was the fact her head was sown onto the body. You can see the stitches. 

[Master Warder Z_]

Possibly the fact she died once Quentin did? "His magic was the only thing keeping her alive." I believe the quote is. But that can be taken both ways. 

 

The biggest fact for her being dead before was the fact her head was sown onto the body. You can see the stitches. 

 

Actually Quentin likely only took her face off, He commented on that aspect not the "entire head."

 

We are really getting into disgusting realms of discussion here, can we please not discuss that madman and his vile works?

 

  Necromancy remains evil in DA, its never really been a positive in most universes but its still a sick and vile thing in the lands of Thedas.

[Dean_the_Young]

Possibly the fact she died once Quentin did? "His magic was the only thing keeping her alive." I believe the quote is. But that can be taken both ways. 

 

Like life support, yes?

 

 

 

The biggest fact for her being dead before was the fact her head was sown onto the body. You can see the stitches.

 

 

Was her body sewn onto another? Or were the bodies of the other women sewn onto hers?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Actually Quentin likely only took her face off, He commented on that aspect not the "entire head."

 

We are really getting into disgusting realms of discussion here, can we please not discuss that madman and his vile works?

 

  Necromancy remains evil in DA, its never really been a positive in most universes but its still a sick and vile thing in the lands of Thedas.

I thought you would love talking about evil mages? 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Like life support, yes?

 

 

 

Was her body sewn onto another? Or were the bodies of the other women sewn onto hers?

As I said, that quote supports both interpretations. 

 

Aren't those two scenarios the same? Or are you referring more to something like skin graphs rather than body graphs? 

[Master Warder Z_]

I thought you would love talking about evil mages? 

 

Quentin is dead, Orsino is dead, Grace and Decimus are dead.

 

Why bother discussing them?

 

Evil tends to die with those who bear it.