Was her body sewn onto another? Or were the bodies of the other women sewn onto hers?
You can see stitches around her neck, so her head has pretty much definitely been chopped off.
But I think probably a desire demon was possessing the body, which wouldn't matter if she was dead.
I agree. Systems will fail eventually. Flexibility to adapt to the upcoming changes should be as important as a good base for the system.
I mean, if we're looking for the most long-lasting system in Thedas, the Tevinter Magocracy should be the best according just to that requirement, shouldn't it? Not only has it endured the double of the White Chantry system, but it has also had the opportunity to adopt many changes from outside, like a new religion and its own templars.
I would say that a revolution/revolt doesn't matter. It doesn't signify the end of a system.
Prisons face prison breaks often, yet are still there.
Prison riots have been known since the beginning on prisons.
The inevitability of resistance doesn't ultimatively matter. Only your ability to handle the resistance.
You can see stitches around her neck, so her head has pretty much definitely been chopped off.
Again that merely could be because she had her face grafted on to another body, it wasn't obvious if that was Leandra's original body due to the Wedding Dress, It likely was a mishmash of the various ladies...that mage needed to die so much more slowly for the sick **** he was doing.
Again that merely could be because she had her face grafted on to another body, it wasn't obvious if that was Leandra's original body due to the Wedding Dress, It likely was a mishmash of the various ladies...that mage needed to die so much more slowly for the sick **** he was doing.
Well, we see the souls of the other ladies and I think it's most likely based on the plot up to that point that the others had been dead even longer. I think it's more likely that the body was dead and it was just possessed by a desire demon, which we know isn't really that difficult or uncommon.
@Master Warder Z- post 441 bullet point 1 (sorry I have no idea how the quote system works and this was the easiest way to address this for me)
Your other points I agree with but, there is a chance that, in Ferelden's case, they could contract out the lyrium trade directly with the dwarves isn't there?
The other two points though would definitely be very problematic for a mage free state in Ferelden.
Well, we see the souls of the other ladies and I think it's most likely based on the plot up to that point that the others had been dead even longer. I think it's more likely that the body was dead and it was just possessed by a desire demon, which we know isn't really that difficult or uncommon.
That seems like an assumption to me, Given the Demons merely appear, and due to their names they are assumed to be tied into the ritual, the vessel it self however remains out of the combat and it was tied not the demons but the Necromancer himself.
@Master Warder Z- post 441 bullet point 1 (sorry I have no idea how the quote system works and this was the easiest way to address this for me)
Your other points I agree with but, there is a chance that, in Ferelden's case, they could contract out the lyrium trade directly with the dwarves isn't there?
The other two points though would definitely be very problematic for a mage free state in Ferelden.
You think the Dwarves would risk offending their largest customer by selling "officially" to one of its enemies, if their criminals sell to Fereldan that's not the same as if the Mining Houses sell to Fereldan in this instance. Think of it this way, By selling to Fereldan they may possible alienate the single largest consumer of Lyrium in Thedas.
Well it does why because templars didn't had use even their anti-magic to deal with them only pure raw and all mages could respond were is weak flamethrowers that can be blocked with shield or force push if they had more power it would be good moment to use it instead dying don't you think.
You mean with their so obviously enchanted it shouldn't even needed to be said weapons and armor?
TKS, for your argument about mages being weak against people not trained to fight precisely mages, you need to provide a case where non-Templars easily slaughtered mages.
You think the Dwarves would risk offending their largest customer by selling "officially" to one of its enemies, if their criminals sell to Fereldan that's not the same as if the Mining Houses sell to Fereldan in this instance. Think of it this way, By selling to Fereldan they may possible alienate the single largest consumer of Lyrium in Thedas.
Knowing Bhelen, he'd find a way to make it work without either side getting angry at him. Man has a silver tongue sharp enough to cut through a Qunari Dreadnought. 
That seems like an assumption to me, Given the Demons merely appear, and due to their names they are assumed to be tied into the ritual, the vessel it self however remains out of the combat and it was tied not the demons but the Necromancer himself.
It's an assumption, it just seems like the most probably thing based on what we know about the lore. A demon can possess a body and somewhat slow down it's composition. It seems pretty feasible that the necromancer could have just made deals with one or more desire demons to keep the bodies fresh for him while he pieced them together. Probably the demon(s) told him that they could bring his wife back into the body, but who knows what they really intended. Probably not that.
It is just speculation, sure, but it makes sense with what we know about the lore.
A mage free state? Who comes up with these notions?
I'd agree with Hanako, it would depend on who is King/ruler of Ferelden at the time ofcourse but, in theory anyways, Lyrium trade wouldn't have to stop with the Chantry.
Edit. @MisterJB- just a terminology that sounded right for the mage freedom boon in Ferelden, at least I assume that was a response to my usage of the terms, if not please ignore this note.
Actually Quentin likely only took her face off, He commented on that aspect not the "entire head."
We are really getting into disgusting realms of discussion here, can we please not discuss that madman and his vile works?
Necromancy remains evil in DA, its never really been a positive in most universes but its still a sick and vile thing in the lands of Thedas.
Wonderful! Let's talk about how they're mummifying bodies and preparing them in the Grand Necropolis! I'm sure the demons there are simply taking their pick at which to possess- 
I don't think the dwarves could give half a crap about pissing off a potential lyrium buyer, because they are literally the only supplier and they know very well nobody can afford to stop buying from them. The Chantry needs lyrium and can't go anywhere else. The dwarves have them bent over. They sell to Tevinter, so I doubt they're afraid to sell to basically anyone.
It's an assumption, it just seems like the most probably thing based on what we know about the lore. A demon can possess a body and somewhat slow down it's composition. It seems pretty feasible that the necromancer could have just made deals with one or more desire demons to keep the bodies fresh for him while he pieced them together. Probably the demon(s) told him that they could bring his wife back into the body, but who knows what they really intended. Probably not that.
It is just speculation, sure, but it makes sense with what we know about the lore.
It doesn't seem plausible to me for three reasons.
We do not know what abilities and skills Necromancy entails, He was a powerful blood mage so he could easily have brought the Demons into his thrall with out even needing them for the ritual and three forcing higher ranking demons into possessing corpses results in them becoming Revenants or Arcane Horrors.
I don't think the dwarves could give half a crap about pissing off a potential lyrium buyer, because they are literally the only supplier and they know very well nobody can afford to stop buying from them. The Chantry needs lyrium and can't go anywhere else. The dwarves have them bent over. They sell to Tevinter, so I doubt they're afraid to sell to basically anyone.
It doesn't seem plausible to me for three reasons.
We do not know what abilities and skills Necromancy entails, He was a powerful blood mage so he could easily have brought the Demons into his thrall with out even needing them for the ritual and three forcing higher ranking demons into possessing corpses results in them becoming Revenants or Arcane Horrors.
He possibly did bring the demons into the women before killing them instead of after, but the whole point was to patch them up into the perfect copy of his dead wife. At what point he had them possessed is unclear. There were notes he left around about preserving body parts, but possible he had already given up on that part. That he was able to find a way to keep the body from becoming a typical enemy after possession still seems more likely to me than any other theory thus far, especially since the game spells it out in text that the demon/demons are possessing the women.
Quick question about something that's confused me for a while.
In Origins if you ask for the mage boon, and the King and/or Queen grant it, the devs say that the Chantry just refuse to allow it. The reason for this is because the Thedosian nations have ceded mage oversight to the chantry, through some sort of official treaty i'm assuming.
My question is if that is the case, couldn't the monarch/monarchs just revoke the treaty, thereby relieving the chantry of its obligations to mages in Ferelden?
It would have likely lead to a Divine March which Fereldan, so soon after a Blight, would have been in no position to fight, not to mention they'd run the risk of conflict within their own borders over the issue. All in all, it wouldn't have been a wise move for the new Monarch, so the compromise is the Monarch has some control over mages outside the Circle, which works pretty well for him/her now that the Circle's done with.
Because they were the ones who chose to learn that specialty- not because they were the only ones who could learn it. No one can learn to become a mage.
Which brings us back us back to the relevant question of if magic and technology are equivalents- can only 1% of the population practice technology?
The answer is yes . you need a certain type in intelligence and personality for some jobs.
Ah but benefitial magic comes with its own set of problems. Lillian talked about magic powering technology and while that sounds good on paper, one must also wonder where that would leave people incapable of using magic which is the massive majority of the population; if magic controls the infrastructure, then the most coveted and useful positions in society become available only to mages.
Ultimately, society is highly competitive and magic is a tremendous tool in this regard which means that it would only be a matter of time until power, whether it be political or economical, begins to graduably and inexorably shift to the hands of mages. And once they are an elite not only will non-mages live at their mercy but it will be nearly impossible to dislodge them; it would probably be ever hard than it would be in nowadays world since the infrastructure of Thedas would, by then, rely almost entirely on magic.
Thumbs down for luddism.
Ultimately, we don't even know how such technology would work or what exactly would be needed to power it. A lot of the magical devices that we've seen didn't require magic to interact with (enchanted objects, glowlamps, Circle vaults, Golems, etc.), other than perhaps the Eluvians. Machines created powered by enchantment would be a potential market that anyone could get into, because mages are not needed at any stage of the enchanting process.
I'm probably not thinking outside of the box, but I imagine tasks that require a constant stream of magic thus necessitating the involvement of mages would not be as cost-effective over time. As we know, magic is taxing, and Lyrium that might be used to enhance whatever given process is expensive. I'd also imagine that while many of these jobs could be potentially valuable, they don't really scream glamorous or "elite" (drink-cooler, wheat grinder, elevator operator, air-conditioner and so on).
Well it does why because templars didn't had use even their anti-magic to deal with them only pure raw and all mages could respond were is weak flamethrowers that can be blocked with shield or force push if they had more power it would be good moment to use it instead dying don't you think.
as i said blood mage is moment when mages starts be rly dangerous and even more with abomnation. And clarification arcane warrior is worst kind of mage that could go against templar. Why first templars fight in close combat second arcane warrior skills won't help mage because templar will just turn it off and close combat with templar end with sucking their mana in few seconds like in asunder so in short arcane warrior is dead unless he mastered his non-magical skills
Once again you dont take this in perspective. you take mages with zero combat experience against a decently trained warriors and then you say they are weak. If grizzled battle hardened battle mage fromt tevinter would stumble upon a bnch of templar recruits the effect would be the same. the templars would be slaughtered. that doesnt make the templars weak. btw templars cannot dispell an arcane warrior.
The answer is yes . you need a certain type in intelligence and personality for some jobs.
We're not talking jobs, though- we're talking about practicing technology.
Thumbs down for luddism.
Am not. I fully support the development of technology that does not require abilities acessible to only a certain group of people in order to manufacture or utilize.
Ultimately, we don't even know how such technology would work or what exactly would be needed to power it. A lot of the magical devices that we've seen didn't require magic to interact with (enchanted objects, glowlamps, Circle vaults, Golems, etc.), other than perhaps the Eluvians. Machines created powered by enchantment would be a potential market that anyone could get into, because mages are not needed at any stage of the enchanting process.
I'm probably not thinking outside of the box, but I imagine tasks that require a constant stream of magic thus necessitating the involvement of mages would not be as cost-effective over time. As we know, magic is taxing, and Lyrium that might be used to enhance whatever given process is expensive. I'd also imagine that while many of these jobs could be potentially valuable, they don't really scream glamorous or "elite" (drink-cooler, wheat grinder, elevator operator, air-conditioner and so on).
Mages aren't required for enchating? Do you believe this because of the Tranquil?
Also, I can think of a few ways which mages could dominate the market without needing constant streams of magic. For instance, using glyphs of repulsions to move carriages and the likes without the need for horses. Those must be aplied by a mage.
And now magic works like oil. ****.
Mages aren't required for enchating? Do you believe this because of the Tranquil?
Also, I can think of a few ways which mages could dominate the market without needing constant streams of magic. For instance, using glyphs of repulsions to move carriages and the likes without the need for horses. Those must be aplied by a mage.
And now magic works like oil. ****.
Not necessarily. The Tranquil Pharamond was able to create a binding circle with runes that could contain a Pride demon. If a Tranquil could manage that, why couldn't a dwarf?
Not necessarily. The Tranquil Pharamond was able to create a binding circle with runes that could contain a Pride demon. If a Tranquil could manage that, why couldn't a dwarf?
Runes appear to be a completely different area and they are already common place in the most advanced nations in Thedas. In Nevarra, for instance, they put them in glasses to keep the beverages cool.
Of coure, if they can be applied by anyone, why isn't there a market for it outside of the Circle?
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