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[wcholcombe]

No, there is plenty wrong with Tevinter beyond that.

I do find it humorous that some think mages will be happier in Tevinter.  Gaider has stated that going to Tevinter as a mage is basically exchanging one form of subjugation (the circle) for another one (more powerful magister lords).

 

Basically as he put it, mages in Tevinter are basically pawns of more powerful mages in a situation that is very similar to slavery itself.

 

"Even if a foreign mage *was* able to get into the Imperium, that wouldn't automatically make them a magister. They might find that life among a pack of piranha at the bottom of their particular pile, while filled with much more "freedom" than they're used to, comes with its own... difficulties."

[Master Warder Z_]

Then by all means, answer my request to provide instances where 1 regular nonmage was able to defeat a mage. I have plenty for my side. 

 

King Maric vs Severan?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

King Maric vs Severan?

Eh, I'd argue that since Maric is the protagonist so is granted special privileges like plot armor, that while close to a good example falls short. Very good try, though.

[Master Warder Z_]

Eh, I'd argue that since Maric is the protagonist so is granted special privileges like plot armor, that while close to a good example falls short. Very good try, though.

 

You wanted a scenario were a normal man beat a mage, he did so, he used every trick to his advantage to do it but it was a normal warrior with out templar abilities killing a mage.

 

So...Plot armor or no you have something that meets the criteria.

 

Also you have Archers killing circle mages left and right during the battle of Gawaren. Apparently robes aren't good against arrows either.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

You wanted a scenario were a normal man beat a mage, he did so, he used every trick to his advantage to do it but it was a normal warrior with out templar abilities killing a mage.

 

So...Plot armor or no you have something that meets the criteria.

 

Also you have Archers killing circle mages left and right during the battle of Gawaren. Apparently robes aren't good against arrows either.

Well, in that case we can count Hawke but nobody should. 

 

Now the archers count, since they are just regular soldiers, but they had distance on their side. 

[Mistic]

Now the archers count, since they are just regular soldiers, but they had distance on their side. 

 

This reminds me of the story about how pope Innocent II tried to ban crossbows in 1139, because it was very easy to train peasants to use crossbows and they could kill nobles very easily. The Magisters in Tevinter must not like archers and crossbowmen very much. Or portable firearms when they're invented.

 

Technology could change Thedas a lot. The Qunari don't feel the need to spread their weapon technology (obviously), but if someone managed to steal it, the current mage dynamic would change.

[The Baconer]

This reminds me of the story about how pope Innocent II tried to ban crossbows in 1139, because it was very easy to train peasants to use crossbows and they could kill nobles very easily. The Magisters in Tevinter must not like archers and crossbowmen very much. Or portable firearms when they're invented.

 

Technology could change Thedas a lot. The Qunari don't feel the need to spread their weapon technology (obviously), but if someone managed to steal it, the current mage dynamic would change.

 

Sure, until you get MAGE DRAGOONS.

[Helios969]

wcholcombe: Isn't that just the truth going from one oppressive system to another.  It would be nice if an "allowed-to-live" Anders was observed in DAI as some Tevinter Magister's whipping boy.  That would be sweet, sweet poetic Justice.  Yeah, I know, Bioware doesn't have the gumption to crush all the fan girls and boys.

[wcholcombe]

wcholcombe: Isn't that just the truth going from one oppressive system to another.  It would be nice if an "allowed-to-live" Anders was observed in DAI as some Tevinter Magister's whipping boy.  That would be sweet, sweet poetic Justice.  Yeah, I know, Bioware doesn't have the gumption to crush all the fan girls and boys.

I would prefer to see him as a blood battery but who knows.  This is the thing with Allistaire- if he blew up Meredith I could understand, but he blew up the one decent person in Kirkwall.

[TheKomandorShepard]

And yet the tevinters have managed to create an empire through conquest that i yet unrivalled anywhere in modern thedas. They have accomplished feats of engineering and magic not seen anywhere in thedas.Magic and mages in thedas are kept weak by the chantry. that doesnt make them weak however. my mage hawke en warden said **** the chantry and ended a blight or killed hundreds of templars. Its likely that these days return soon

 

Blood magic and support of some sort eldritch abominations or at least 1?Pretty much tevinter was strong only thanks to blood magic and archdemons and still they lost with bunch of barbarians but i can't tell much about that because we know only chantry version...

 

 

Then by all means, answer my request to provide instances where 1 regular nonmage was able to defeat a mage. I have plenty for my side. 

 

I gave you 4 you just went oh no she was well trained trained wrong example or oh i don't like it don't count that as example.Another example can be seekers in dawn of the seeker they destroyed mages on ease and they didn't show any anti-magical skills.Another example is thrask daughter 3/2 vs 1 but still she had to turn into abomnation , another mages caught by slavers.     

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I gave you 4 you just went oh no she was well trained trained wrong example or oh i don't like it don't count that as example.Another example can be seekers in dawn of the seeker they destroyed mages on ease and they didn't show any anti-magical skills.Another example is thrask daughter 3/2 vs 1 but still she had to turn into abomnation , another mages caught by slavers.     

No, you gave me 4 examples of exceptional characters taking on regular mages or a group of regular people taking on one mage. You have yet to give me one example of a regular nonmage defeating a mage. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

This reminds me of the story about how pope Innocent II tried to ban crossbows in 1139, because it was very easy to train peasants to use crossbows and they could kill nobles very easily. The Magisters in Tevinter must not like archers and crossbowmen very much. Or portable firearms when they're invented.

 

Technology could change Thedas a lot. The Qunari don't feel the need to spread their weapon technology (obviously), but if someone managed to steal it, the current mage dynamic would change.

Indeed. Reminds me of the Equalists in Avatar: The Legend of Korra. They were nonbenders who used technology to defeat benders. 

[Master Warder Z_]

No, you gave me 4 examples of exceptional characters taking on regular mages or a group of regular people taking on one mage. You have yet to give me one example of a regular nonmage defeating a mage. 

 

Exceptional Characters being needed to take on Regular Mages...Reminds me of an exceptional MC, being given a power boost to defeat an opponent who until that point was undefeated.

 

._. We all know who i am talking about of course...

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Exceptional Characters being needed to take on Regular Mages...Reminds me of an exceptional MC, being given a power boost to defeat an opponent who until that point was undefeated.

 

._. We all know who i am talking about of course...

Ichigo and Aizen?

[Master Warder Z_]

Ichigo and Aizen?

 

 

*Was actually thinking Cloud and Sephiroth*

 

No.

 

Although he did magically get a power boost just before their final clash didn't he.

[TheKomandorShepard]

No, you gave me 4 examples of exceptional characters taking on regular mages or a group of regular people taking on one mage. You have yet to give me one example of a regular nonmage defeating a mage. 

Haha by not exceptional you mean naked blind pesant? Because as far you argument were "no s/eh was well trained" leliana is normal person just well trained deal with it , sketch was crushed by normals as well...

 

And well if Warder didn't lie you can also count maric despite being protagonist it not always make you special person-off mass destruction like in games or animes maric was protagonist in the book same as rhys but still got crushed by lamber same for evangeline...

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Haha by not exceptional you mean naked blind pesant? Because as far you argument were "no s/eh was well trained" leliana is normal person just well trained deal with it , sketch was crushed by normals as well...

 

And well if Warder didn't lie you can also count maric despite being protagonist it not always make you special person-off mass destruction like in games or animes maric was protagonist in the book same as rhys but still got crushed by lamber same for evangeline...

No, regular Joe soldier. Leliana is the most skilled assassin that the Chantry has, thus her current position. And Sketch was captured by regular Joes, but several of them were needed. 

 

I like how to degrade the protagonist position, you use an example of a mage vs the Lord Seeker, who before that was a very exceptional Templar. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

 

*Was actually thinking Cloud and Sephiroth*

 

No.

 

Although he did magically get a power boost just before their final clash didn't he.

Yeah, the Precipice World all of a sudden got a time-altering ability to have 1000 hours happen in one.  

[Master Warder Z_]

I like how to degrade the protagonist position, you use an example of a mage vs the Lord Seeker, who before that was a very exceptional Templar. 

 

He was able to skewer the Knight Captain in what? Four passes? He was an immensely skilled swordsmen in a Order filled with skilled ones.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

He was able to sewer the Knight Captain in what? Four passes? He was an immensely skilled swordsmen in a Order filled with skilled ones.

Indeed. While Lambert wasn't the best Seeker, politically at least, he was definitely one of the best soldiers to come from the Templars we've seen thus far.

[TheKomandorShepard]

No, regular Joe soldier. Leliana is the most skilled assassin that the Chantry has, thus her current position. And Sketch was captured by regular Joes, but several of them were needed. 

 

I like how to degrade the protagonist position, you use an example of a mage vs the Lord Seeker, who before that was a very exceptional Templar. 

And you know any other chantry assassins? As far she knows that she wouldn't handle as i said orlesian chevalier or the warden as i said she is skilled not god and as far there is no mention that she is the best so this is only your personal opinion about leliana. 

 

Sketch had warrior on his side so he wasn't alone so if he had power to handle them warrior would distract them but it was clear that they were crushed.

 

Not every protagonist is god sometimes protagonist isn't even special or is failure when in games protagonist tend to be killing machine and gods especially in the end book and moves tend focus on more level-grounded protagonists they faced him with 3 and he still won they weren't very special talented but nothing above normal well-trained human with that rhys was mage.

[Master Warder Z_]

Indeed. While Lambert wasn't the best Seeker, politically at least, he was definitely one of the best soldiers to come from the Templars we've seen thus far.

 

I'd believe the man to be an "Elite" Boss class enemy if he ever popped up in game.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

And you know any other chantry assassins? As far she knows that she wouldn't handle as i said orlesian chevalier or the warden as i said she is skilled not god and as far there is no mention that she is the best so this is only your personal opinion about leliana. 

 

Sketch had warrior on his side so he wasn't alone so if he had power to handle them warrior would distract them but it was clear that they were crushed.

 

Not every protagonist is god sometimes protagonist isn't even special or is failure when in games protagonist tend to be killing machine and gods especially in the end book and moves tend focus on more level-grounded protagonists they faced him with 3 and he still won they weren't very special talented but nothing above normal well-trained human with that rhys was mage.

No personal opinion involved. Though you seem to think so since you can't accept that she may have improved in a decade. As for evidence, the fact that she is the Right Hand of the Divine proves she is overall the best agent Justinia has. If she wasn't, she wouldn't have that spot. Period.

 

Really? Do you see the fight? There is no evidence they were 'clearly crushed'. 

 

I don't really understand your last part. It's a bit jumbled. 

 

 

I'd believe the man to be an "Elite" Boss class enemy if he ever popped up in game.

Yeah.

[Hellion Rex]

I'd believe the man to be an "Elite" Boss class enemy if he ever popped up in game.

Maybe a Boss...if he were lucky.

[TheKomandorShepard]

No personal opinion involved. Though you seem to think so since you can't accept that she may have improved in a decade. As for evidence, the fact that she is the Right Hand of the Divine proves she is overall the best agent Justinia has. If she wasn't, she wouldn't have that spot. Period.

 

Really? Do you see the fight? There is no evidence they were 'clearly crushed'. 

 

I don't really understand your last part. It's a bit jumbled. 

 

 

Yeah.

 

As i said i didn't said that she didn't improved but improved doesn't meant she is the best besides she helds spot because first she have bard trening second divine trust her.

 

Eee you know they surrendered which mean they were outmached?

 

point was not every protagonist = physical god especially in books and movies that tend keep protagonist "normal" or even worse than normal.