18 réponses à ce sujet

[dafyddr]

Any one else wish they'd gone more into this?

 

ME2 had that really interesting idea that Asari have a biotic ability that makes them attractive to all species (I guess like a mild version of Ardat Yakshi), and we know from the beacon on Thessia that the Protheans may have interfered in their development. I kind of see them as having been engineered (smart, very long lived, biotic powerhouses, the ability to manipulate other races) to fight the reapers.

 

Humans on the other hand were observed (the ME1 obelisk/ 2001 homage) but must have been too primitive. If the Prothean extinction cycle had begun a few thousand years later, would humans have been uplifted too?

 

This is of course more of a ME1 and ME2 version of Protheans, rather than the ME3 slavers.

[TheOneTrueBioticGod]

The Protheans would uplift species and offer them a place beneath them in their empire. Going off the Asari, it's during a time with written langauge and some form of communal living, ala Babylon in Mesopotamia. They may have been observing early humans, but would've had to wait around 45,000 years to begin their uplift, if they had the same MO. Anyway, the agreement was less slave and more client race. Chances are, an uplifted species is far more willing to be ruled over than one who came up by themselves. 

[Prizrak232]

 Well the Protheans knew that something was coming (Reapers). So I always thought that when the Protheans "uplifted" a civilization they were doing so to assemble an almost "super civilization" to combat this threat. But the size of there empire proved to be there downfall similair to ancient Rome. But back to the OP's original question I'm sure that the Protheans would of "uplifted" humanity just like they did with the asari but they wanted to observe us and see if we were worthy enough to join there empire. Or maybe they didn't uplift us because they seen that we had potential but did not want us to be killed by the Reapers so they left us go. It is all open to speculation and there really is no right or wrong response to this question.

[CrutchCricket]

Any one else wish they'd gone more into this?

 

ME2 had that really interesting idea that Asari have a biotic ability that makes them attractive to all species (I guess like a mild version of Ardat Yakshi), and we know from the beacon on Thessia that the Protheans may have interfered in their development. I kind of see them as having been engineered (smart, very long lived, biotic powerhouses, the ability to manipulate other races) to fight the reapers.

 

Humans on the other hand were observed (the ME1 obelisk/ 2001 homage) but must have been too primitive. If the Prothean extinction cycle had begun a few thousand years later, would humans have been uplifted too?

 

This is of course more of a ME1 and ME2 version of Protheans, rather than the ME3 slavers.

 

Couple of things:

 

-the theorized asari ability to influence every race's perception of them would not be technically biotic, unless someone can twist an explanation together for how mass effect fields are supposed to control minds.

-Protheans were imperialistic but not slavers. As it's been said before the relationship of Protheans and "lesser" species seems to have been more like a client race.

 

Otherwise, yeah with more time humanity might've been similarly improved. I think the asari still lucked out, even before Prothean influence due to the naturally eezo rich environment of Thessia. I think all things being equal that still meant a bigger boost from the start and perhaps more Prothean improvements.

[ClydeInTheShell]

I'm sure Javik would've been happy to "go more into" Liara. 

[eyezonlyii]

Couple of things:

 

-the theorized asari ability to influence every race's perception of them would not be technically biotic, unless someone can twist an explanation together for how mass effect fields are supposed to control minds.

-Protheans were imperialistic but not slavers. As it's been said before the relationship of Protheans and "lesser" species seems to have been more like a client race.

 

Otherwise, yeah with more time humanity might've been similarly improved. I think the asari still lucked out, even before Prothean influence due to the naturally eezo rich environment of Thessia. I think all things being equal that still meant a bigger boost from the start and perhaps more Prothean improvements.

 

Can't make an explanation on the mind control, but there is the Dominate ability...

[Han Shot First]

 Well the Protheans knew that something was coming (Reapers). So I always thought that when the Protheans "uplifted" a civilization they were doing so to assemble an almost "super civilization" to combat this threat. But the size of there empire proved to be there downfall similair to ancient Rome. But back to the OP's original question I'm sure that the Protheans would of "uplifted" humanity just like they did with the asari but they wanted to observe us and see if we were worthy enough to join there empire. Or maybe they didn't uplift us because they seen that we had potential but did not want us to be killed by the Reapers so they left us go. It is all open to speculation and there really is no right or wrong response to this question.

 

The Protheans didn't know the Reapers were coming. Vigil states in Mass Effect 1 that the Protheans were caught completely by surprise by the Reapers. 

[AlexMBrennan]

Can't make an explanation on the mind control, but there is the Dominate ability...

There are also guns using heatsinks found on spaceships that crashed well before heatsinks were developed so I'm not sure that you should assign undue weight to gameplay. 

[Han Shot First]

I'm sure Javik would've been happy to "go more into" Liara. 

 

 

In the main game Javik actually frowns on interspecies relationship, and can give Shepard a hard time about it.

 

That was sort of retconned though in the Citadel CLC where drunken Javik can either express some interest in Jack or Liara, or end up in a romp with Fem Shep.

 

As much as I like the Citadel DLC I prefer Javik in the main game.

[CrutchCricket]

Can't make an explanation on the mind control, but there is the Dominate ability...

 

Also not explainable by biotics and downright lore-breaking on Shepard using it.

 

Gameplay and Story Segregation.

[Reorte]

 

In the main game Javik actually frowns on interspecies relationship, and can give Shepard a hard time about it.

 

That was sort of retconned though in the Citadel CLC where drunken Javik can either express some interest in Jack or Liara, or end up in a romp with Fem Shep.

As you say he was drunk, and might've finally worked out that being the only Prothean he was going to have to change his views if he wanted any action at all.

[Bad King]

The Protheans didn't know the Reapers were coming. Vigil states in Mass Effect 1 that the Protheans were caught completely by surprise by the Reapers. 

 

This. If we accept the ME1 canon, then the protheans during the reaper invasion were completely isolated in their own systems (due to the reapers' control of the relay network) and completely helpless to the arriving reaper fleets. They wouldn't have the time or the ability to engineer an entire race in this time.

 

That being said, ME3 completely gives the finger to ME1's prothean lore.

[AlanC9]

-the theorized asari ability to influence every race's perception of them would not be technically biotic, unless someone can twist an explanation together for how mass effect fields are supposed to control minds.

 

Well, the asari already have wacky mind-influencing abilities in ME1. I don't recall that ability being specifically described as "biotic," though.

 

(Hey, how come the asari councilor couldn't just look into Shepard or Liara's minds?)

[AlexMBrennan]

Hey, how come the asari councilor couldn't just look into Shepard or Liara's minds?

The content of Shepard's vision was not disputed but it's interpretation - Shepard, without any justification, assumes that a garbled vision must be an accurate historical account of the fall of the prothean empire when it could just as easily have been a the prothean equivalent of a scratched Independence Day DVD. 

[Frostmourne86]

The party conversation is not meant to be taken seriously; it's more of an in-joke.

[SwobyJ]

Shepard obtaining Dominate, regardless of class and biotic history, is completely appropriate.

[Han Shot First]

The party conversation is not meant to be taken seriously; it's more of an in-joke.

 

This also.

[Farangbaa]

This. If we accept the ME1 canon, then the protheans during the reaper invasion were completely isolated in their own systems (due to the reapers' control of the relay network) and completely helpless to the arriving reaper fleets. They wouldn't have the time or the ability to engineer an entire race in this time.

 

That being said, ME3 completely gives the finger to ME1's prothean lore.

 

Not really. On Thessia Javik states that they abandoned the Asari when the Reapers came, or something like that.

 

How the *bleep* he knows this is beyond me, but hey.

 

But my memory is a tad fuzzy on this

[dgcatanisiri]

I find the connection fascinating, more for the implications than anything in-game. Javik tells Liara that the protheans were expecting the asari to be in charge of this cycle, presumably in a similar fashion to them, with imperialism and dominating the 'lesser' races. Instead, the asari turned that to their own talents of diplomacy, the art of negotiation and subterfuge. In many ways, they ARE the rulers of this cycle, albeit in a more 'the power behind the throne' style. Sure, it goes to hell when the Reapers show up, but they're clearly considered the leaders and at the forefront of the galactic community until that point. The only races on the Council are the ones who could reasonably challenge them and pose a legitimate threat, and otherwise, they have an entire system set up to prevent anyone else into the largest governing body in the known galaxy - it's the asari, salarians, and turians, and then the humans, calling the shots for all the Citadel races, which include the volus, hanar, elcor, presumably drell, and had previously included the quarians and batarians.

 

Makes me wish we could have had the chance to dig into this connection further, rather than stick to the Reapers.