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[AlanC9]

The ME1 Reapers didn't make any sense on their own terms. Though you can get around this with the "beyond our comprehension" handwave if you really want to.

[Farangbaa]

It doesn't fit.  Going back to the first game:

 

"We are each a nation- independent, free of all weakness"

 

This, as well as many other things interpreted as IT, just shows the writers suffered multiple Canon Discontinuities if not complete Critical Research Failures in making ME3

 

The Reapers do not have to be aware of the Catalyst. In fact, chances that they aren't are humongous.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

That's some nice spin of theirs but I can assure you what I saw was written with 100% serious intent.

 

Besides, the IT itself is pure lunacy. Seriously, coming up with some nutjob conspiracy theory over a space pulp third person shooter that has so many gaping holes in logic and plot and has the subtlety of two trains crashing into each other? These people need to get a life.

If it lets them enjoy the games more, why should you care? I know I don't.

[KaiserShep]

Everyone in this thread is indoctrinated, including myself. Abandon your volition, all ye who enter this forum.

[ElSuperGecko]

Oh, I see where this is going. There are different "tiers" of indoctrination, represented by EMS. So Low-EMS = husk; Mid-EMS = ... ??? Husk again?; and High-EMS = elite indoctrinated agent, basically like TIM...

 

Actually, I hadn't even thought of that.  I was thinking more of the implication that the Reapers may be constructing a Reaper inside the captured Citadel (the piles of human bodies, reports of them being taken there, the snippet of conversation with Anderson etc).  Combining that with the Reaper's expressed "interest" in Shepard (Harbinger's fascination, Saren comments on how Shepard's efforts have interested Sovereign etc).

 

But your idea is interesting.  Low EMS = Husk, Mid EMS = indoctrinated agent, High EMS = guiding conciousness for the Reaper of Humanity.  

 

They will succumb and ascend, or they will be annihilated.  Shepard, you could have been useful.

 

Congratulations HYR 2.0 - I think you may have just added a fresh idea to the Indoctrination Theory!  

[Iakus]

The Reapers do not have to be aware of the Catalyst. In fact, chances that they aren't are humongous.

 

Hey, I've floated the possibility before that Reapers are just really, really big husks.  Orders of magnitude bigger than praetorians or scions.

 

I'm never taken seriously.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

As was posted in another thread, this is what really happened on the Citadel. You were indoctrinated into believing otherwise.

 

[AlanC9]

Hey, I've floated the possibility before that Reapers are just really, really big husks.  Orders of magnitude bigger than praetorians or scions.

 

I'm never taken seriously.

 

Huh? People have been saying that the Reapers are indoctrinated for years.

[Iakus]

Huh? People have been saying that the Reapers are indoctrinated for years.

 

Even the indoctrinated are aware of the Reapers' existence

[ImaginaryMatter]

My problem with the Reapers being Indoctrinated is that one of the core limits to Indoctrination is that it deteriorates the victims mental capacities until they ultimately die, I think the Reapers would have reached their expiration date a couple of thousand of years ago; of course they could be immune to the degenerative effects but that would be pretty speculative. Another reason is that Indoctrination is stated to affect certain parts of the brain and due to the unspecific details about what exactly a synthetic/organic hybrid is (like, do the Organic bits form a nervous system that is augmented with technology like a cyborg?), we don't even know if the Reapers have the capacity to be Indoctrinated.

 

Additionally, according to the Leviathan the process of Indoctrination wasn't created until several cycles had past, which means the early batches of Reapers couldn't have been Indoctrinated, or at least the Indoctrination we are aware of.

 

My guess is the Reapers are controlled by a VI or AI system programmed to serve the Catalyst, like the minions the Catalyst had to defeat the Leviathans; only the Reapers are an upgraded version with organic slushy thrown in.

[Iakus]

My problem with the Reapers being Indoctrinated is that one of the core limits to Indoctrination is that it deteriorates the victims mental capacities until they ultimately die, I think the Reapers would have reached their expiration date a couple of thousand of years ago; of course they could be immune to the degenerative effects but that would be pretty speculative. Another reason is that Indoctrination is stated to affect certain parts of the brain and due to the unspecific details about what exactly a synthetic/organic hybrid is (like, do the Organic bits form a nervous system that is augmented with technology like a cyborg?), we don't even know if the Reapers have the capacity to be Indoctrinated.

 

Additionally, according to the Leviathan the process of Indoctrination wasn't created until several cycles had past, which means the early batches of Reapers couldn't have been Indoctrinated, or at least the Indoctrination we are aware of.

 

My guess is the Reapers are controlled by a VI or AI system programmed to serve the Catalyst, like the minions the Catalyst had to defeat the Leviathans; only the Reapers are an upgraded version with organic slushy thrown in.

 

Thus why I say they are husks.  Sock puppets.  Their sentience has been retconned out of existence, thank you so much Mr Catalyst

[TurianRebel212]

Hey, I've floated the possibility before that Reapers are just really, really big husks.  Orders of magnitude bigger than praetorians or scions.

 

I'm never taken seriously.

 

 

Aaaahhh. Glad someone else gets this. This is what Nazara was doing when he was hunched over the citadel Tower.... Uploading Mr. Derpy Catalyst. 

 

Again, "You evolve along the paths we desire".... He was talking not just about the overarching view of Every organic in the galaxy, but also Shepard. Shepard will evolve along the paths we desire. YOU. The player. 

 

 

-WE EVOLVE OR WE DIE- Kai Leng. 

 

- I am the Pinnacle of Evolution- Saren

 

"The Paths are Open, you must choose"- Nazara, Circa 2186, aboard the "citadel" and "crucible". 

 

 

This was planned. From the beginning. 

 

Reapers are very smart squid, very clever squiddy. Squiddy is clever. 

 

 

Edit. 

 

Hahaha, epic Fail. Derp. 

 

I responded to wrong post. This is for ShotgunJulia, lol. 

 

Epic herpaderp. Derp. 

[ImaginaryMatter]

Thus why I say they are husks.  Sock puppets.  Their sentience has been retconned out of existence, thank you so much Mr Catalyst

 

That's why I added VI. If the Reapers are acting amongst themselves with out the adaptiveness of an AI level sentience it would explain some of their less than spectacular movements.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

We are the end of everything. The cycle cannot be broken. 

[masster blaster]

If it lets them enjoy the games more, why should you care? I know I don't.

Yeap. There door is right there. There is no reason for you to do anything but simply go. You call us crazy, cult end Sayers, and so much worsen things that I simply do not like. You claim what you SAY is true but you are simply all talk and not bite. So please either leave and just leave those that want to talk about IT alone, or simply continue to rant about bs claims and being seen as a troll on the internet.

 

@ Seb, not Hinata Hyuuga.

[masster blaster]

We are the end of everything. The cycle cannot be broken. 

Always liked Nazara, but catalyst boy makes Nazara look like the catalyst was on some kind of drug because if it controls the Reapers, then I wonder if it spoke to Shepard through Nazara, or simply let Nazara plant false information about the Reapers, despite how in ME2, and ME3 the Reapers seem to have "independent actions, and thoughts that goes against the catalyst's own words"

[masster blaster]

Actually, I hadn't even thought of that.  I was thinking more of the implication that the Reapers may be constructing a Reaper inside the captured Citadel (the piles of human bodies, reports of them being taken there, the snippet of conversation with Anderson etc).  Combining that with the Reaper's expressed "interest" in Shepard (Harbinger's fascination, Saren comments on how Shepard's efforts have interested Sovereign etc).

 

But your idea is interesting.  Low EMS = Husk, Mid EMS = indoctrinated agent, High EMS = guiding conciousness for the Reaper of Humanity.  

 

They will succumb and ascend, or they will be annihilated.  Shepard, you could have been useful.

 

Congratulations HYR 2.0 - I think you may have just added a fresh idea to the Indoctrination Theory!  

We have talked about it before yet i believe it got lost in the s-storm back on the old BSN. But nevertheless ya cool. gratz HYR.

[masster blaster]

Look I am going to make it clear and say it once.

 

We DO have lives thank you very much. Some of us work,  go to school,  look at our future, spend time with those we love, and use some of our free time speculating and theorizing " Indoctrination Theory". Heck I mean seriously, I could ask you why bother coming onto this forum and bash those that support IT if you have a life?

 

Not to mention so MANY plot holes IT has.........okay what are they? I know a few that most people have pointed out, yet never SO many plot wholes. For the endings aside from IT, or any other theory out there I know for a fact the Ending of ME3 has a lot of plot wholes. Primary the scenes, the story, the choices, and everyone acting weird as heck towards after the FOB.

 

Now if it is because of the things we say, and think okay......you do realize it is "SPECULATING, and THEORIZING" it is just an educated guess, and some strong supporting evidence that helps the "IT" out, but it does not mean it is right all the time. We do our best to try to explain the endings, what they mean, and how Shepard can and is being Indoctrinated. Doesn't mean we are always going to be right all the time

 

Those that come on here to wonder about IT either are confused, looking for answers, support the ME endings in general yet want to see how IT is, or simply already know they are not going to like IT, and simply just nay say it to death's on end.

 

Moreover I know I am going to get a lot of heat towards Seb because he hates IT, and those that support it but I honestly don't care what he thinks because in the end he already said his claim, and already gave his verdict towards IT/the people that support it, and theories it.

 

I respect those that disagree with IT for their reasons with supporting evidence, or different views, yet I can not tolerate people like Seb's behavior for it get's know where at all and is childish.

[masster blaster]

The Reapers do not have to be aware of the Catalyst. In fact, chances that they aren't are humongous.

But don't they have to be aware of the catalyst? Harbinger is the first Reaper after all, and a collection of millions of Leviathans. You would think they would know about the Catalyst and be aware who is their leader unless the catalyst ( imo/theory) merged with Harbinger in order to have control over Harbinger, and acquire a body to care out it's plans.)?

 

Not to mention on who is giving them orders, and what they are being told to say, or do?

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

I have to say I loved IT when it came out. The Original Ending was so bad and so full of nonsense it was like trying to make sense out of the magic bullet in the Kennedy Assassination. IT filled in the holes. It was a conspiracy. The EC to me is the Warren Report. It is the sanitized version of things. Then they came out with Leviathan to retroactively fill in the holes, even though there are still glaring holes remaining: 1) on what page of the maneuvers manual is that FTL into atmosphere for emergency pickup in less than a minute? 2) with so much at stake given that someone has to make it to the beam and this is the only shot, why is Shepard's entire team leaving? 3) is Harbinger really playing "Go Fish" with EDI? 4) did EDI win?

 

These are important questions that the Mass Effect Warren Report hasn't answered. Until they are, we'll have to accept that there was only one gun kitten, and we'll have to move on with our lives. I have several theories about this: Marmalade Theory; Ryncol Theory; and Grey Warden Theory. The last one is my latest.

[AlanC9]

I don't remember Marmalade Theory.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

I don't remember Marmalade Theory.

 

We preserve organic life in Reaper form. It's that simple. It's literal. They grind up the select species to a pulp, sterilize it, and pump it into the thing that resembles the general shape and put that inside the reaper. There it's preserved just like the jar of marmalade you bought at the store. That's all there is to it. 

 

The only part that is "alive" is the AI or VI that is controlled by Starbrat.

[KaiserShep]

Reapers human preserve. With a name like Reapers, it's got to be good.

[ZerebusPrime]

Reapers human preserve. With a name like Reapers, it's got to be good.

 

The liquefied colonists of Freedom's Progress deserve a better ending.

[Iakus]

We preserve organic life in Reaper form. It's that simple. It's literal. They grind up the select species to a pulp, sterilize it, and pump it into the thing that resembles the general shape and put that inside the reaper. There it's preserved just like the jar of marmalade you bought at the store. That's all there is to it. 

 

The only part that is "alive" is the AI or VI that is controlled by Starbrat.

 

So that chicken stir-fry I had for dinner preserves poultry life