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[SwobyJ]

Red - I can kick ass, defeat my enemy.

Blue - I can work with others, stop my enemy.

..Green - I can optimize my experience, be the savior of us all...

 

Keep things down to a minimal. It cannot be forced.

 

 

CAT6

[Farangbaa]

Ya it is true Leviathan was pretty much what we asked for really. Lot's of speculations happened when it came out.  The highlights were

 

1. Leviathan getting into Shepard's head and yet Shepard was still sitting in the Atlas yet not moving, only in the dream like state Shepard was forced into. Just like how the Breath scene happens after the slideshow/memorial scene roles in, it could be possible that Shepard was forced back into a pile of rubble back on Earth thanks to Harbinger's beam.

 

2. Leviathan takes the form of Ann Bryson which they used the memories of Shepard. Much like how the catalyst takes the form of the child back on Earth, that has haunted Shepard constantly throughout the game.

 

3. Leviathan uses Bryson's lab stable in Shepard's mind, thus this can support the similar objects we see at the end of ME3.

 

4. Leviathan states the the Reapers improved their mind control to new levels that we call " Indoctrination". Now if they perfected the Leviathans mind control attempt, imagine how the Reapers would use it against Shepard at the end. Very likely that they can create a virtual world that can fool Shepard so long as they play against Shepard's emotions, and keep things down to a minimal.

 

There are some smaller details and jokes that we see that Bioware may or could have intended, but those are the top 4 things that many can see how Leviathan was basically a field day for ITers, and those that wanted to speculate the endings.

 

"You are an anomaly".

[AlexMBrennan]

There are some smaller details and jokes that we see that Bioware may or could have intended, but those are the top 4 things that many can see how Leviathan was basically a field day for ITers, and those that wanted to speculate the endings.

Accepting IT because it's not impossible is as smart as accepting that there is an invisible intangible dragon living in my garage because you can't prove that there isn't one.

[Statichands]

Nah. Some people like to over think things. I remember the Infamous 1 ending. Everyone came up with crazy theories on who the beast was but it was just the guy who got sucked into the rey sphere. I know people don't like the ending but they just need to expect the fact that Bioware chose to end it like that. 

[Ryriena]

Nah. Some people like to over think things. I remember the Infamous 1 ending. Everyone came up with crazy theories on who the beast was but it was just the guy who got sucked into the rey sphere. I know people don't like the ending but they just need to expect the fact that Bioware chose to end it like that.

I at least can head cannon that to my Shepard.

[ZerebusPrime]

I have issues with the inFamous storyline, but single-playthrough plot clarity is not one of them.  Mass Effect 3 is unique to me in how its plot points can be reviewed after beating the game to make subsequent replays eye-opening.

[ahnariprellik]

Yes. I really do believe the ending is simply a test to check if Shepard still wants to destroy the Reapers.

 

There is obviously something not entirely real about the ending. The white dream halo appears three times after we get shot by Harbinger. The only other moments we see these halos is at the start and end of the dreams, and when Shep goes in and out of the Geth concensus.

 

If I simply go by what ME3 seems to convey, then the conclusion is that the Reapers weren't actually defeated (not even in destroy), and the only result is whether Shepard could resist the attempt or not.

 

The breath scene still comes off as a huge cliffhanger, even after EC.

 

Agree with everything you stated above. They could actually still pull this off without invalidating the endings of ME3. Shortly after Bioware released the ME3 datapad app someone posted a screenshot on twitter i think it was that was from the app that you could supposedly only get from Ashley in ME3 if you beat the game and chose destroy. It said something like, "Hey skipper, the doctors say I might finally be able to come down and see you today". This was quickly removed from its original posting and swept under the rug. To me it would seem to indicate that since the message on the datapad app only appeared after beating the game and selecting destroy (thus getting the breathe scene) that the message from Ashley would imply that Shepard survived (the breathe scene) and is recovering in an infirmary somewhere while the war is still ongoing. How this would allow them to make a direct sequel without invalidating the endings is that you play as a new protagonist while Shepard is in recovery,(he may even be in a coma) and depending on choices you make in ME4 and the ending you chose for ME3 and the outcome of finishing the war Shepard can fully recover or succumb completely to the indoctrination attempts and be lost forever.This would actually be the best case scenario IMO. They could please everyone then and it would mean they wouldnt have actually sold us a game without a real ending.

[ahnariprellik]

Hang on just a second there - I'm sure you'll find people who continue to maintain that Bioware will release DLC revealing IT to be true next week.

 Not next week but I think this will happen...its called ME4. The first 60 dollar DLC and its on next gen to boot.

[Eryri]

How this would allow them to make a direct sequel without invalidating the endings is that you play as a new protagonist while Shepard is in recovery,(he may even be in a coma) and depending on choices you make in ME4 and the ending you chose for ME3 and the outcome of finishing the war Shepard can fully recover or succumb completely to the indoctrination attempts and be lost forever. This would actually be the best case scenario IMO. They could please everyone then and it would mean they wouldnt have actually sold us a game without a real ending.

Love it. Particularly the bolded.

[ahnariprellik]

Love it. Particularly the bolded.

Thats the ONLY way they could pull it off without pissing off a large amount of fans again. Also there is still the unexplained stargazer line of "Ok, one more story about Shepard. This couldnt have been a reference to any of the ME3 dlcs as they all took place PRIOR to the Stargazer scene after the credits. I think this alluded to ME4 at the time. That may not be the case now though. Also depending on if you believe IT one of the documentaries for it shows that the background of the stargazer scene was borrowed from a real album cover by a band who had a song called star child that happened to be about indoctrination. Take that as you will. 

[SwobyJ]

THE Shepard.

[ahnariprellik]

I know but its obvious that THE Shepard referenced is refering to Commander Shepard.

[Bardox9]

I tend to believe in the indoctrination theory. I just don't think Shepard got up after that last Harbinger blast. The whole thing with TIM and Anderson and star kid was all in his head with star kid directing the show.

[AlanC9]

Thats the ONLY way they could pull it off without pissing off a large amount of fans again. Also there is still the unexplained stargazer line of "Ok, one more story about Shepard. This couldnt have been a reference to any of the ME3 dlcs as they all took place PRIOR to the Stargazer scene after the credits. I think this alluded to ME4 at the time. That may not be the case now though.

 

You think that sequel plan wouldn't also ****** off a large amount of fans? Really?

 

As for the Stargazer, when the game was released the DLCs hadn't been made yet, obviously. Of course he was talking about DLCs. And Bio always said that ME3 was the last of Shepard. Unless you figure they were lying.

[masster blaster]

You think that sequel plan wouldn't also ****** off a large amount of fans? Really?

 

As for the Stargazer, when the game was released the DLCs hadn't been made yet, obviously. Of course he was talking about DLCs. And Bio always said that ME3 was the last of Shepard. Unless you figure they were lying.

Considering how a good portion of the fans, not on the BSN alone like the idea, or at least can stand IT being true, not as much. We have no dea if it was dlc. Bioware could turn that around after all " Things change" i believe Casey or Mac said this. Everything is still in the dark. All we know is Human male in N7 armor, and face is covered up. We were asked months ago on what N7 means. The major voice was " It means Shepard".

[masster blaster]

I know but its obvious that THE Shepard referenced is refering to Commander Shepard.

That is true. However it depends. Bioware could tell a different story about another Shepard, or a distant future offspring of Shepard's bloodline. Who knows. But most likely it is CS he speaks about.

[masster blaster]

I tend to believe in the indoctrination theory. I just don't think Shepard got up after that last Harbinger blast. The whole thing with TIM and Anderson and star kid was all in his head with star kid directing the show.

That is what caught a lot of peoples attention towards the IT. Some say it is just lazy Bioware, or it is simply Shepard battling control of his/her body and mind against the Reapers. My stance is that of something is happening at the end of ME3, that requires just thinking outside the game we see in front of us. Much more like the player is now being punked instead of Shepard.

[AlanC9]

Considering how a good portion of the fans, not on the BSN alone like the idea, or at least can stand IT being true, not as much. We have no dea if it was dlc. Bioware could turn that around after all " Things change" i believe Casey or Mac said this. Everything is still in the dark. All we know is Human male in N7 armor, and face is covered up. We were asked months ago on what N7 means. The major voice was " It means Shepard".

 

 

You mean that you can still find some corners of the web where IT isn't loathed? Well, yeah, I suppose there are some.

[masster blaster]

You mean that you can still find some corners of the web where IT isn't loathed? Well, yeah, I suppose there are some.

loathed, nope. Both liked and not liked. Same for all the endings as well. Say what you will but there are fans who like IT, and fans who do not like IT. On youtube, facebook, twitter,and many other places fans still talk about IT. Could it be good or bad? I don't know, but regardless it is still being talked about, and can't say it is because of this thread on the BSN.

[dorktainian]

look at the trailer ffs.  rubble... lots of rubble.  below a broken bridge.  A Krogan in the Rubble.  A face in the visor.

 

Yep.. London Calling.  I Live.......By the River.

 

As for AlanC9.  I have yet to meet any Mass Effect fan who does not think IT is legit.  So some people think we may be a minority, but are we really?  Think about it.  

you may be right, you may not.  

 

 

gotta love BSN.

[TheOneTrueBioticGod]

IT does make a little more sense than what we got. 

Not that that's saying anything. 

[masster blaster]

IT does make a little more sense than what we got. 

Not that that's saying anything. 

hey, better than nothing I say.

[Excella Gionne]

I believe in the Dark Bananergy Theory! I wanted to sacrifice all humans to save the galaxy!

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

I've been a closet IT'er from the beginning. It's why I've never chosen Control or Synthesis other than to see what happened. I don't think Shepard got up after the Harbinger blast, either. Nothing seemed real. 

[Excella Gionne]

I've been a closet IT'er from the beginning. It's why I've never chosen Control or Synthesis other than to see what happened. I don't think Shepard got up after the Harbinger blast, either. Nothing seemed real. 

You're probably still in that geth consensus...