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Do people still believe Indoctrination Theory?

Débuté par tcn-talon , mars 21 2014 06:20

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Posté 29 novembre 2014 - 06:19

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not the complete package but bits and pieces

I believe the star child is actually Harbinger and just screwing with Shepards head appearing as the child

I also don't believe his "we are actually trying to save the galaxy" motives" so I headcanon that thats part of the Indoctrination

They only harvest people because they think their form is the pinnacle of evolution (sovereign said that) and they want everyone to be like that (like the Leviathans wanted)

By choosing destroy Shep goes against them and the reapers are history

the real indoctrination theory is even sillier and doesn't provide closure (also the awesome scene with TIM and Anderson goes to waste)


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Posté 29 novembre 2014 - 08:17

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Yes Indoctrination Theory brings Closure and Lets face it, We all have to be check for indoctrination. For the Reapers wants us to fight among each other. yes There are Reaper Codes within ME3 that causes Indoctrination for everyone.


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Posté 29 novembre 2014 - 08:25

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Posté 01 décembre 2014 - 06:08

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do people still believe the ending to ME3 was a hallucination cooked up by Shepard's indoctrination? Just curious.

 

Correction. Shepard isn't being indoctrinated. The player who controls Shepard is being indoctrinated.


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Posté 01 décembre 2014 - 06:27

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Correction. Shepard isn't being indoctrinated. The player who controls Shepard is being indoctrinated.

I bought all the DLC even though I didn't want to, so it is possible.


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Posté 01 décembre 2014 - 07:18

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I bought all the DLC even though I didn't want to, so it is possible.

 

You don't need to buy all the DLC to finish the story. If that's what you're asking. You did technically destroy the Reapers and complete the game. I have a different take on IT than everyone else though. I don't think it was a dream, nor that the game is "unfinished" because Shepard has yet to defeat the Reapers.

 

Mine is more like.

 

-Ending is a Reaper-constructed virtual world using Shepard's memories (see Geth Consensus).

-Any action during the ending will affect what happens in the real world.

-So shooting the tube does actually destroy the Reapers. I mean how else would you set off the Crucible, as a player? Shepard interacts with the world in a few ways. Shoots something, triggers an event, or cutscene. Pushes the "use" button (E) on the control ending. Or the dialogue wheel, which may activate a cutscene.   

-Much like the Geth Consensus level, Shepard is seen "asleep" in the real world, while in the server part, he is moving around and doing things. Think Matrix. 

 

They did kind of say that the reward for understanding the story is the better off you'll be with the ending. I'd say the high-EMS destroy ending where Shepard lives and destroys the Reapers, while saving the galaxy is pretty good to me. No, EDI and the Geth aren't dead. So there's nothing to worry about. I think she forgot to mention synthetic friends in that last tweet, but you get the idea. There's also a little hint, suggesting that everything post-Crucible firing may not have been what really happened.

 

To quote the codex: The Reapers resulting control over the limbic system, leaves the victim highly susceptible to their suggestions.

 

That is to suggest that all the weird stuff during the ending is essentially caused by the Reapers messing with your head somehow. I mean, they have the ability control people's minds. They could put all this weird stuff on the screen and have people freak out about it. Certainly would explain all the strangeness. 


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Posté 01 décembre 2014 - 09:46

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Alright, so even if you don't believe in the indoctrination theory and stuff. I think we can all agree than something is "off" with ME3 in general as well as Shepard. Now.... That in and of itself is meta, because we all know.... YOU are Shepard in this incredible saga that BioWare created. It truly is..... MASS Effect. 

 

 

Not only did Shepard, (ie the player) have a MASS Effect on the universe. 

 

But.... The MEU in turn had massive effect on the Shepard/Player. 

 

 

And that.... Is pretty cool when you think about it. 


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Posté 01 décembre 2014 - 01:29

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It's not "indoctrination". It's "politely suggesting you change sides and kill your friends" :)


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Posté 01 décembre 2014 - 02:56

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of course IT is legit as a part of something much larger.


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Posté 01 décembre 2014 - 02:57

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It's not "indoctrination". It's "politely suggesting you change sides and kill your friends" :)

 

Did you read that tweet I posted above (first link)? Either way, the Extended Cut made it pretty clear the Catalyst was a Reaper in disguise. Not sure why you would trust a Reaper.


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Posté 01 décembre 2014 - 10:31

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*is sitting with a very attractive Cerberus Phantom while she is taking notes on this thread; two Cerberus Engineer goofing off in the background*


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Posté 21 mai 2015 - 10:00

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Did you read that tweet I posted above (first link)? Either way, the Extended Cut made it pretty clear the Catalyst was a Reaper in disguise. Not sure why you would trust a Reaper.

Basically, and Leviathan DLC made it more clear with the leviathan's getting into Shepard's head and creating a world inside his/her mind. Catalyst doing this would make sense since the FIRST Reaper with the powers of the Leviathans is Harbinger who I believe is both the AI and the catalyst combined. It makes sense.


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Posté 21 mai 2015 - 10:43

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If you pay close attention, the catalyst approaching shepard is very similar to the illusions from the leviathan when they initially appear to shepard. 

 

Personally, I think indoctrination was intended to be the real explanation, but later on they discarded it, however forgot to remove all the elements that pointed towards it. 

 

Nowadays it seems that Bioware position is that IT is false, however they will not explicitly say it. And this leaves us with a lot of roles and unexplained things. 

 

If the boy and all the dreams were removed I think the game would make a lot more sense. 


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Posté 21 mai 2015 - 11:36

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Nowadays it seems that Bioware position is that IT is false, however they will not explicitly say it. And this leaves us with a lot of roles and unexplained things. 

 

If the boy and all the dreams were removed I think the game would make a lot more sense.

 

Indoctrination is subtle, so it won't be made explicit.

 

Was made pretty clear the game or ending will stay as is. Nothing will be changed or removed.


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Posté 22 mai 2015 - 04:42

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If you pay close attention, the catalyst approaching shepard is very similar to the illusions from the leviathan when they initially appear to shepard. 

 

Personally, I think indoctrination was intended to be the real explanation, but later on they discarded it, however forgot to remove all the elements that pointed towards it. 

 

Nowadays it seems that Bioware position is that IT is false, however they will not explicitly say it. And this leaves us with a lot of roles and unexplained things. 

 

If the boy and all the dreams were removed I think the game would make a lot more sense. 

It's not explicitly said, but for a while it was a forbidden topic here and threads were locked just for mentioning. it.


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Posté 22 mai 2015 - 11:53

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I remember immediately thinking after finishing ME2 that it would be cool if Shepard fighting indoctrination was the plot of ME3.


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Posté 23 mai 2015 - 12:49

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If you pay close attention, the catalyst approaching shepard is very similar to the illusions from the leviathan when they initially appear to shepard. 

 

Personally, I think indoctrination was intended to be the real explanation, but later on they discarded it, however forgot to remove all the elements that pointed towards it. 

 

Nowadays it seems that Bioware position is that IT is false, however they will not explicitly say it. And this leaves us with a lot of roles and unexplained things. 

 

If the boy and all the dreams were removed I think the game would make a lot more sense. 

It's hard to say right? Honestly if the boy wasn't there and nor was the Reaper leader in the form of the child then it would make better sense even though the endings are 'ee" Still think they intended it through Leviathan and EC since it opened even more plot holes and gave further hints that it was an Indoctrination attempts.

 

Still think if Bioware is going to pull a Halo. After there new trilogy is done they shall go back and do more with Shepard.


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Posté 23 mai 2015 - 12:51

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Indoctrination is subtle, so it won't be made explicit.

 

Was made pretty clear the game or ending will stay as is. Nothing will be changed or removed.

All things said i believe Bioware has a scape goat. If the new ME trilogy fails then they may go back to ME3 end scenario, or when the new trilogy is done they will come back later. Much like how the Halo franchise continued with MC they might do a Shepard but they just probably want to take a break. That or they screwed up badly and don't care. Still think IT is what they intended though won't confirm it nor deni it so it's up in the air.


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Posté 23 mai 2015 - 12:53

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It's not explicitly said, but for a while it was a forbidden topic here and threads were locked just for mentioning. it.

Yeah after Mark 3 (The Third Thread) was taken down it was starting to get silenced but then it stopped. Then it was brought up again and from there it has continued on.


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Posté 23 mai 2015 - 12:58

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I remember immediately thinking after finishing ME2 that it would be cool if Shepard fighting indoctrination was the plot of ME3.

I never thought of that until the end game in ME3. It felt very off and the child made no sense. Then the EC made things even weirder and didn't just make it more messy, but created even more questions and created weirder scenes. Leviathan however made everything about the end of ME3 very clear and with playing Arrival and reading the comics, the Indoctrination personale logs and seeing what it has done to T.I.M and Saren..... It felt like Shepard was being Indoctrianted and you are given the choice to end Shepard once and for all or created a new legend awaiting to be told.

 

Hence Destroy EMS ending which is the highest ending you can unlock an in terms of the best ending points wise at least, if it achieved after gathering much assets then i figure that makes it the best terms of "ending" to ME3. Plus moral wise it's the right call.


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Posté 23 mai 2015 - 03:53

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Jeez... these necro'd threads sometime have a lot of life in them.

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Posté 23 mai 2015 - 04:03

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If you pay close attention, the catalyst approaching shepard is very similar to the illusions from the leviathan when they initially appear to shepard.

Personally, I think indoctrination was intended to be the real explanation, but later on they discarded it, however forgot to remove all the elements that pointed towards it.

It's a little difficult to reconcile this with what we know of the development history of the game, though. There isn't any indoctrination sequence in the leaked script, but the Catalyst conversation and Leviathan haven't been written yet.

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Posté 23 mai 2015 - 04:25

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There isn't any indoctrination sequence in the leaked script, but the Catalyst conversation and Leviathan haven't been written yet.

 

That script was a very early draft of the game. Not what I consider a reliable source. 

 

Still think IT is what they intended though won't confirm it nor deni it so it's up in the air.

Shepard's eyes were enough for me. He's indoctrinated, just like TIM and Saren. Also, the Extended Cut confirmed Shepard and EDI were indoctrinated. It was *very* subtle.


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Posté 23 mai 2015 - 12:00

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That script was a very early draft of the game. Not what I consider a reliable source. 

 

Shepard's eyes were enough for me. He's indoctrinated, just like TIM and Saren. Also, the Extended Cut confirmed Shepard and EDI were indoctrinated. It was *very* subtle.

 

What's this about EDI?


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Posté 23 mai 2015 - 02:56

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What's this about EDI?

 

The EDI you saw in the synthesis ending of the Extended Cut was indoctrinated. Same with Shepard in the control ending.


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