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Do people still believe Indoctrination Theory?


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#76
Iakus

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That's the thing that always puzzled me. Where did people ever get the idea that Bio does subtle?

 

When they decided to change ME3 from Star Wars to Solaris in the last 10 minutes?


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I am hoping Bioware takes a close look at the dlcs on what made them good (Levaithan's mystery storyline, Omega's use of better combat and Citadel's many fun features). Take a good look at what the dlcs did right and what the game alone did wrong. Mass Effect 3 action war story felt meaningless and underwhelming. So I am hoping they incorperate the positive aspects of the dlcs and stay clear of ME3 itself.


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I hope more of the crew die in the next game. Like, way more....

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I always believed in the bad writing theory. claiming that things are present when they aren't is one my biggest irritations when i'm arguing with people.



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I hope more of the crew die in the next game. Like, way more....


You mean the new crew, or killing the leftovers from ME3?

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Yes I do believe in it. For it makes the most sense.


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honestly, I think flipping a three sided coin makes more sense.

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I rather believe in the IT than wake up to realize that Bioware could have done better with ME3. 



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I rather believe in the IT than wake up to realize that Bioware could have done better with ME3. 

Okay. Yes, they could have done better with ME3, ME2, ME1, DAO, DA2, DAA, TOR, SWTOR....

 

No game is perfect. All you have to do is look at the glitches in your average Bethasda game (OH SNAP, CHEAP SHOT OUT OF NOWHERE!) and no game will ever live up to your hopes and dreams. Finishing off a trilogy is brutal, and that's true in any medium. Sure, it could have been better. A lot better. But it wasn't nearly as bad IMO as much as some people seem to think.

 

Sure, I can come up with things I, personally, would like to see more. And if someone ever makes a game missilelocked onto my wants, I will eat my very stylish hat along with my words.



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my only problem with The Old Republic is how they treated Revan and the Jedi Exile.  ME2 needed more Collector missions and More Cerberus armors. ME3 need to have the rest of the Multiplayer abilities and armors. For Example, for pure Lols, Shepard within Cerberus Phantom Armor with Sword Mastery and Phrase Disputor to out "Kai Leng" Kai Leng. Yes I do like Kai Leng very much but within ME3 his personality at times is face palm worthy. Yes I do love Ninjas in all forms including Kasumi, Cerberus Phantoms, N7 Shadow, N7 Slayer and Kai Leng.



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my only problem with The Old Republic is how they treated Revan and the Jedi Exile.  ME2 needed more Collector missions and More Cerberus armors. ME3 need to have the rest of the Multiplayer abilities and armors. For Example, for pure Lols, Shepard within Cerberus Phantom Armor with Sword Mastery and Phrase Disputor to out "Kai Leng" Kai Leng. Yes I do like Kai Leng very much but within ME3 his personality at times is face palm worthy. Yes I do love Ninjas in all forms including Kasumi, Cerberus Phantoms, N7 Shadow, N7 Slayer and Kai Leng.

 

It's not as cool as a sword duel but Shepard can fight Kai Leng in a fight mano a mano and win, although it involves pistol wipping him to a pulp.



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Your ideal game would contain many more ninjas than mine!

 

Mine would involve Shepard being a bit more of a gritty noir spacecop.

 

PISTOL WHIPPING? I just beat him about the head with my biotic fists and the claymoore. I love bossfights as a vanguard.



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It's not as cool as a sword duel but Shepard can fight Kai Leng in a fight mano a mano and win, although it involves pistol wipping him to a pulp.

 

I love finishing Kai Leng off with a biotic charge and heavy melee.



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Your ideal game would contain many more ninjas than mine!

 

Mine would involve Shepard being a bit more of a gritty noir spacecop.

 

PISTOL WHIPPING? I just beat him about the head with my biotic fists and the claymoore. I love bossfights as a vanguard.

 

My new thing is to start playing every class with a focus on meleeing.

 

I just finished with a sole meleeing/freezing sentinel and now I'm working on a drone/melee engineer.



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as for me, i am for flexiblity and player choice while having good gear with enemies that can match you. if you want to be more of heavy weapons expert, go for it. Game mechanics wise, Many Ninjas would love the Engineer and the Inflirators training. In short, True Ninja would use swords and melee weapons while learning the newer weapons and other arts. Of course A Mass Effect Ninja should be comfortable with a gun as much as with a melee weapon.



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The indoctrination theory is indoctrination itself.


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i do think that both sides are indoctrinated by the Reapers. 



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i do think that both sides are indoctrinated by the Reapers. 

 

Which sides? Just wanting clarification.



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Which sides? Just wanting clarification.

 

 

the sides that matter. IT and the Anti IT are both indoctrinated by the Reapers. 


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the more you protest being indoctrinated, the more likely you actually are. isn't that the rule?
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the more you protest being indoctrinated, the more likely you actually are. isn't that the rule?

 

 

Depends on the group, I do suspect the Council is partial indoctrinated.  Most people if indoctrinated will never expect themselves of being indoctrinated due to they are believe are immune or having strong will. Indoctrination will break all barriers. Long term Indoctrination is very subtle and you will never actually notice you are indoctrinated until it is too late.


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One thing I think I'm against ITers on is 'if you justttt keep your will to destroy the Reapers, you're no longer indoctrinated' (at least that's what I've gathered from IT/ITers).

 

 

I don't think it works that way. Personally, I think that it would only stave off the influence longer and potentially at some point cut off the networking the Reaper has to your mind, but that's it. You're still affected by what has been/is being done to your brain.



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In the end, I do think that you can favor either and still have a valid version of ME3. 


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Doesn't Hackett's monologue disprove it? Yeah, I'm pretty sure it disproves it. 

 

Fun thing about Hackett's monologue in the extended cut destroy ending: it ends with a comment about the future we can't even imagine.

EDI's monologue says the same thing in the synthesis ending.

SHReaper also mentions that limitless future in his monologue.

 

If one's opinion is that the each monologue is imagined, then I find it remarkable at how similar each ending is, rather than how divergent.

 

I'm not trying to make any special point with that.  It's just that there is a METRIC TON of oddities in Mass Effect 3 that paint a picture of something being disturbingly wrong.  Most of them are tiny and inconsequential in and of themselves, but when you add everything together you can easily turn into a basket case like me.  :D


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#100
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I think the impression they were going for with the epilogues was a sense of finality, each one says that the future will be great, except for low EMS Destroy.