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[AlanC9]

I think the impression they were going for with the epilogues was a sense of finality, each one says that the future will be great, except for low EMS Destroy.

And Refuse?

[SwobyJ]

Thank you ZP! However, it's actually "...imagine what we can achieve now that they are defeated."

Still, similar phrasing. Similar themes.

 

Destroy - (United galaxy creating a) Future you can imagine and achieve. Done by existing galaxy working together without Reapers.

Control - (ShepAI with Reapers creating a) Future with limitless possibilities. Done by existing galaxy but more primarily by Reapers.

Synthesis - (Level of existence)  EDI cannot even imagine/that cannot be imagined. Done by new galaxy of neo everyoneeeee.

 

And I think I got the basket case part filled in already

[ImaginaryMatter]

And Refuse?

 

I always got the impression they never intended Refuse to be serious, or as serious as the colored endings. It's shorter and it doesn't get an epilogue nor an achievement. Although it seems like things go pretty well for the next couple of guys.

[noobcannon]

When they decided to change ME3 from Star Wars to Solaris in the last 10 minutes?

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[ZerebusPrime]

Thank you ZP! However, it's actually "...imagine what we can achieve now that they are defeated."

Still, similar phrasing. Similar themes.

 

Destroy - (United galaxy creating a) Future you can imagine and achieve

Control - (ShepAI with Reapers creating a) Future with limitless possibilities

Synthesis - (Level of existence)  EDI cannot even imagine/that cannot be imagined

 

And I think I got the basket case part filled in already

 

And if it's all a composite vision of Shepard's expectations created by the Reapers, it ends where it does because the Reapers have run out of usable footage within Shepard's limited ability to predict the future based on his choice.  *nods*

[SwobyJ]

Yes, at least sorta. imo

 

But I don't think its just 'the Reapers' making it. That's where I diverge from IT again. I think it's Shepard making it, and I think it has significant results - not just a 'vision'. Those results just may not be what it seems at first.

[geth47]

I always got the impression they never intended Refuse to be serious, or as serious as the colored endings. It's shorter and it doesn't get an epilogue nor an achievement. Although it seems like things go pretty well for the next couple of guys.

 

It was bioware´s way of saying "GET REAL" to some fanboys. 

 

ME3´s story is entirely built on the premise that it´s mathematically impossible to defeat the reapers conventionally, even with the combined effort of all the galaxie´s powers. That´s why the Alliance and the Council go on a fool´s errand to built a device they know almost nothing about and have no reassurance if it will work. They would never do it if there was a slight realistic chance of beating the reapers in an armed conflict. Only an idiot, or a very delusional fanboy could think that after spending so many resources on the crucible for it not to work, backfire or not be activated that they could still defeat the reapers conventionally. 

 

 

When fans petition and complain that they want an ending with Sheppard alive and reunited with his crew, all of them alive and well, I can understand. But actually hoping to defeat the reapers in a battle? Sorry, but this would undermine the whole premise the game used as its dorsal spine. You can´t, period. Stick with one of the choices, even if none of them entirely pleases you. But the rejection ending is simply to be obnoxious and childish, something I doubt that even the people complaining would attempt to do if they were there.

 

If you want a game that has a good ending when you refuse to make the final choice, try the final unity (star trek tng). In Mass Effect, it´s just a bad ending (deservingly so) game over screen, since you should have known better. 

[Nightwriter]

The physicists tell me there may be an infinite number of parallel universes out there, so perhaps there is one where this totally desperate grasping-at-straws "please god please tell me that isn't the real ending" theory is actually true.

 

If that is the case, who am I to tell anyone that it's impossible? I mean, here I am banking on the Hogwarts Is Real universe, who am I to judge? To kill another's hope?

[SwobyJ]

This is the real ending. It's pretty cool, albeit disappointing for a trilogy ender.

[ImaginaryMatter]

It was bioware´s way of saying "GET REAL" to some fanboys. 

 

ME3´s story is entirely built on the premise that it´s mathematically impossible to defeat the reapers conventionally, even with the combined effort of all the galaxie´s powers. That´s why the Alliance and the Council go on a fool´s errand to built a device they know almost nothing about and have no reassurance if it will work. They would never do it if there was a slight realistic chance of beating the reapers in an armed conflict. Only an idiot, or a very delusional fanboy could think that after spending so many resources on the crucible for it not to work, backfire or not be activated that they could still defeat the reapers conventionally. 

 

 

When fans petition and complain that they want an ending with Sheppard alive and reunited with his crew, all of them alive and well, I can understand. But actually hoping to defeat the reapers in a battle? Sorry, but this would undermine the whole premise the game used as its dorsal spine. You can´t, period. Stick with one of the choices, even if none of them entirely pleases you. But the rejection ending is simply to be obnoxious and childish, something I doubt that even the people complaining would attempt to do if they were there.

 

If you want a game that has a good ending when you refuse to make the final choice, try the final unity (star trek tng). In Mass Effect, it´s just a bad ending (deservingly so) game over screen, since you should have known better. 

 

Huh? Are you talking to me specifically or Refusers in general?

[Steelcan]

Seriously, just go to their forum and ask them there

[ImaginaryMatter]

Seriously, just go to their forum and ask them there

 

There's enough people to make a Refuse forum?

[Steelcan]

Nah, I was still talking about IT

[geth47]

Not you personally, but anyone who thinks it´s a viable solution to beat the reapers conventionally.

 

I would feel robbed and lied to if this was an actual possible ending, since the whole premise that sent me in what could turn out to be a wild goose chase was that it was not possible to do it. It does not matter how good sheppard can be as a tactician, leader and soldier. From what I get, not only the reapers are way more powerful, but they would be out-powering our heroes 40 to 1, let´s say It´s simply not realistic, and making sheppard beat these odds is nothing less than a severe case of mary-sue type bad-writing. Actually, mary-sue role-playing. 

 

You would have more luck trying to beat a ghost using karate moves. 

 

Come on, guys! Bioware (nor any other enterprise) can´t simply send you on a journey to built a device that will allow an impossible situation to be resolved, only for it to fail miserably and yet allow you to save the day by winning by conventional means. This betrays the basic premise. That would be even lamest than what Bioware did. The fact that adult individuals demand such an absurdity (which is nothing short of a certificate of amateurism) to be actually inserted into the game only proves that crybabies are offering a solution that is even worse than the initial problem. Some gamers are just like children. They should get what they need, not what they want. You can´t get everything you want the way you want. Being able to understand this and accept this reality is a sign of maturity. 

 

Bioware did the refusal ending in the only feasible way, with everyone dying. Nicely done! I enjoyed it quite a bit, just  like the game overs screens with Joker with the Normandy boarded, the one on Overlord and the 2 ones on arrival. Because your sheppard had a mental breakdown and lost all contact with the reality surrounding him/her, while his/her fleet is being decimated, everyone died. Oh, wait! Did you want the refusal option and still save everyone? I´m sorry, but that´s just immaturity being displayed. Stick with poor fanfiction. The refusal ending should have unlocked the achievement "obnoxious to the highest degree" if done by dialogue, and "keep trying, insects" if done by shooting at a projection (now that´s a smart way to waste thermal clips).

[ImaginaryMatter]

I choose Refuse, mostly because at that point I just don't care about the story anymore and I love refuse options.

[geth47]

Well, you should try streets of rage 1 (2 player mode) or star trek tng final unity

[Perpetual Nirvana]

Can someone do me a favour and post the screencap of the kids picture on the Citadel memorial wall? Seems relevent.

[SwobyJ]

http://www.metrolyri...rics-haken.html

 

It might be in the IT videos, I forget, but did you know that the dream music plays in the background of when Shepard is struck by that first blast (hitting that bench in the room) in Vancouver?

 

Time is cyclical. Many patterns repeat.

 

 

-Let me help you.

-Get out of here!

 

 

Reaper Destroyer

 

"You think they're making a Reaper in here?"

"Sure. They round them up on Earth, then send the people up here to be processed."

 

"There is a realm of existence so far beyond your own, you cannot even imagine it."

 

"The Shepard Incident"

[Mcfly616]

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Mass Effect was never like Star Wars, so....

[ImaginaryMatter]

Can someone do me a favour and post the screencap of the kids picture on the Citadel memorial wall? Seems relevent.

 

That was the Indoctrination putting the image of the kid up on the wall...

 

or so I've been told.

[SwobyJ]

Mass Effect was never like Star Wars, so....

 

Yet the developers kept comparing to it.

[ImaginaryMatter]

Well, you should try streets of rage 1 (2 player mode) or star trek tng final unity

 

Err, I guess I should clarify. In big ending choice type games I like picking the Refuse options (big choice being a very subjective term for me). Having said that I am not a fan of those kinds of endings. The only series I've liked these endings were the first Deus Ex and DE:HR.

 

ME3 is a unique situation where I pick Refuse not because of my usual RP reasons for refusing, but almost as a meta-game refusal; and picking it is pretty cathartic.

[Invisible Man]

I seem to be incapable of not role playing, at least when i'm gaming.

[Farangbaa]

IT reminds me a lot of that episode from South Park... you know, that one in which Earth is a reality show. With the scientist that has 'great' deductions like this:

 

Jeff: Whoever they are, if they're receiving messages, they might be sending them, too. Wait a minute. c-candy bars.

Kyle: Candy bars?

Jeff: Yu-you know. Candy bars. They usually come in a wrapper. Just like you... wrap a Christmas present. Christmas happens when it's cold. Cold, as in Alaska - that's... with polar bears. Polar bears... pola... polarity! I can switch the polarity to see what transmissions are coming from the location this one is being sent to! 

 

 

Jeff: Wait a minute! Butt sex!

Chef: Butt sex?

Jeff: Butt sex requires a lot of lubrication, right? Lubrication. Lubruh... Chupuh... Chupacabra 's the, the goat killer of Mexican folklore. Folklore is stories from the past that are often fictionalized. Fictionalized to heighten drama. Drama students! Students at colleges usually have bicycles! Bi, bian, binary. It's binary code!

 

Jeff: If people don't wear jackets they could get cold. A cold is caused by a virus. A viru- a computer virus! We could make a computer virus and send it to their ships to disable their computers!

Chef: That doesn't make any God-damned sense!