Why is Alistair so damn likeable?
I know they wanted us to understand that Alistair was insecure about being a King and like being with the common man. Is this because they wanted to draw a personality connection to King Marc who also didn't really want to be King?
My Queen o' Ferelden is an indestructible goddess, and she don't need no stinkin' army. 
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Maric doesn't seem anything like Alistair though. And I think Cousland has more in relation to Maric actually (losing his family). Alistair is searching for a family.
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Perhaps there's a bit of male bias in the presentation here. It makes more sense with Anora, who's just a civilian.
Yes it does, but also I cannot imagine after the big fuss of the landsmeet that the king wouldn't travel without soldiers. I think throughout history it was always common practice to have the king travel with some even a small army. It would be wise to not do this I would think.
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My Queen o' Ferelden is an indestructible goddess, and she don't need no stinkin' army.
Neither does mine, but seems like the beloved queen traveling alone to this keep is sort of negligent. Her one soldier is pretty 'squee!!! They're everywhere!!!' At least they could have given her a really badass soldier... like that scary as all hell one with half his face burned off from Game of Thrones. What's his name again?
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Neither does mine, but seems like the beloved queen traveling alone to this keep is sort of negligent. Her one soldier is pretty 'squee!!! They're everywhere!!!' At least they could have given her a really badass soldier... like that scary as all hell one with half his face burned off from Game of Thrones. What's his name again?
"The Hound"?
Funnily, I've always viewed Cousland (be it male or female) as a kind of grown up Arya Stark (who the Hound decides to protect in GoT).
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"The Hound"?
Funnily, I've always viewed Cousland (be it male or female) as a kind of grown up Arya Stark (who the Hound decides to protect in GoT).
YOU READ MY MIND!!!!
Isn't it perfect?! Though I see my Cousland as a more grown up version after her father spent years of guiding her in the direction this direction she chose. I really loved that odd pairing. And I see my females Couslands as sort of similar to her. She's strong and feisty, will do what is needed but still cares about people except that really awful ones or those that would harm her. She's quite clever at times.
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YOU READ MY MIND!!!!
Isn't it perfect?! Though I see my Cousland as a more grown up version after her father spent years of guiding her in the direction this direction she chose. I really loved that odd pairing. And I see my females Couslands as sort of similar to her. She's strong and feisty, will do what is needed but still cares about people except that really awful ones or those that would harm her. She's quite clever at times.
Yeah, it fits the female more naturally, of course. For male, I might just say Robin Hood (at least if a rogue. Other than that, the story is similar).
Maric doesn't seem anything like Alistair though. And I think Cousland has more in relation to Maric actually (losing his family). Alistair is searching for a family.
I was talking personality. Marc was not confident. Cousland was very confident and capable. The young pup was going to be in charge of Highever not his brother. The rebel queen lived with her supporters. Marc was not growing up in an Estate. Marc felt more at ease with the common folk and that is Alistair. The Young pup Cousland had all the confidence and power to be a great General. Marc was not confident and many of times was ruled by emotions.
Awakening feels pretty spot on for a Cousland. At least when it comes to managing the Keep and Amarathanine. And meeting Howe. It seems right up the alley for Human Nobles.
I can never get over why most Origins have an affinity for the Fade though. The only ones that make sense to me is Dalish and Mage. Something strange about the Dalish connection to the Eluvian and darkspawn early on that makes it believable to me. Dwarves and Human Noble, not so much.
They have Marc and company enter the Fade in the Calling. He is the only one who knows it is the fade and has to convince everyone else to leave the fade. It is part of the Dragon Age lore.
Marc vs Alistair
Prince Maric, who is the classic fantasy zero to hero guy. He is the son of the deposed royal family of the kingdom of Ferelden. He starts out a whiny, incompetent prince who is content to take a back-seat to life and, while mostly remaining a bit whiny, transforms into a relatively competent and decisive ruler over the course of the novel the Stolen Throne. He also starts off way too trusting of others, and he is hardened by a loved one's betrayal. That pretty much sums up Maric.
He was a bit of an womanizer too, considering all the women he had in his life, an trait Alistair doesn't share. I mean, he flirts, but he won't sleep with anyone unless there is serious commitment.
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Marc vs Alistair
Prince Maric, who is the classic fantasy zero to hero guy. He is the son of the deposed royal family of the kingdom of Ferelden. He starts out a whiny, incompetent prince who is content to take a back-seat to life and, while mostly remaining a bit whiny, transforms into a relatively competent and decisive ruler over the course of the novel the Stolen Throne. He also starts off way too trusting of others, and he is hardened by a loved one's betrayal. That pretty much sums up Maric.
Soooo... Alistair is a carbon copy of dad on all these counts here. Not the womanizing though who knows if he dumps his first love and first sexual partner because of the taint in his blood which I find quite hypocritical. That to me might lead to womanizing. I found it sure as hell not being loyal to someone who was loyal to him. I found it harsh and really wouldn't have minded killing him at that point just on general principle. Maybe when I tired of alistair I'll not do the dark ritual and let him die at the archdemon's hands after he kills Loghain and dumps me. That would be kind of awesome. Though I'm not sure if when he dumps me if he still loves me. If so, that just means he's still a wuss doing what he thinks everyone expects and hardening really made him worse since I don't think he'd have done it before or does he always do that if you let him fight and kill loghain.
He was a bit of an womanizer too, considering all the women he had in his life, an trait Alistair doesn't share. I mean, he flirts, but he won't sleep with anyone unless there is serious commitment.
I've never understood the whole "Maric was a womanizer" thing, TBH.
Rowen, Katriel, Fiona.
Three known relationships does not a man **** womanizer make. (And even if you believe the "Alistair's mother was a Redcliffe maid" story - I don't - that's four. And still not enough for a man **** womanizer.)
ETA: "Silly profanity filter thing!" 
And also, the idea that he's a womanizer is really OOC. Maric is actually pretty inept and sort of clueless in his interactions with women.)
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I've never understood the whole "Maric was a womanizer" thing, TBH.
Rowen, Katriel, Fiona.
Three known relationships does not a man **** make. (And even if you believe the "Alistair's mother was a Redcliffe maid" story - I don't - that's four. And still not enough for a man ****.)
Why would you not believe it? If Alistair is his child which was known from when he is a child (no reason to lie there) then someone not of royal blood was his mom. His sister, Goldanna, thinks this is so. So who was she? No, maybe he's not a womanizer though we don't know if he had one maid why he wouldn't have had more since nobody ever speaks of him as caring about her. Goldanna implies it might have been rape. Not directly but her take on it was veering in that direction. Or at least that he wanted her and had her. We have no reason to doubt she was a redcliffe maid or serving girl. She worked for the castle. She was someone he slept with. She died and the kids were shipped away. Doesn't even vaguely imply that he cared about her. Also gives us no reason to doubt it. So there is a reason to question the kind of man he was in that regard because it's not a complete leap to think if he was that way toward one of the serving girls or whatever that he didn't do it with more but they just never conceived or we don't learn of it if they did. And if the other women were affairs, then that establishes a pattern. If they were sexual encounters it establishes a pattern. Granted, some men might sleep with more than a few women, but the ones who don't develop relationships with them do lean toward womanizing or just sleeping around. Really it has more to do with what the relationships were. Based on what we know of Alistair's mother, seems like he just slept with her then disregarded her or maybe had some kind of affair with her. If it was the case with the others, well, how many do you need to see a pattern?
Soooo... Alistair is a carbon copy of dad on all these counts here. Not the womanizing though who knows if he dumps his first love and first sexual partner because of the taint in his blood which I find quite hypocritical. That to me might lead to womanizing. I found it sure as hell not being loyal to someone who was loyal to him. I found it harsh and really wouldn't have minded killing him at that point just on general principle. Maybe when I tired of alistair I'll not do the dark ritual and let him die at the archdemon's hands after he kills Loghain and dumps me. That would be kind of awesome. Though I'm not sure if when he dumps me if he still loves me. If so, that just means he's still a wuss doing what he thinks everyone expects and hardening really made him worse since I don't think he'd have done it before or does he always do that if you let him fight and kill loghain.
I wouldn't call him carbon. The point is this: Why might we like him? The answer because David put some time into this character and you can see some of his dad's traits in him. I like reading the books. I haven't read the comics. I just ordered the comics to see what he does with Alistair. He has Alistair traveling with Varric and Isabela.
Marc a womanizer not really. He fell in love with a female rogue and that was the only relationship before Rowan. He really never loved Rowan in the physical way. He thought more of her as a very close friend. It was an arranged marriage. The second female Alistair's mom was after Rowan died. That is not a womanizer.
As for Alistair you could marry him or be his mistress. I had one warden marry him the female Cousland. I really don't want that as my main. My main will be Male Cousland or Female City Elf who died killing Archy.
Why would you not believe it? If Alistair is his child which was known from when he is a child (no reason to lie there) then someone not of royal blood was his mom. His sister, Goldanna, thinks this is so. So who was she? No, maybe he's not a womanizer though we don't know if he had one maid why he wouldn't have had more since nobody ever speaks of him as caring about her. Goldanna implies it might have been rape. Not directly but her take on it was veering in that direction. Or at least that he wanted her and had her. We have no reason to doubt she was a redcliffe maid or serving girl. She worked for the castle. She was someone he slept with. She died and the kids were shipped away. Doesn't even vaguely imply that he cared about her. Also gives us no reason to doubt it. So there is a reason to question the kind of man he was in that regard because it's not a complete leap to think if he was that way toward one of the serving girls or whatever that he didn't do it with more but they just never conceived or we don't learn of it if they did. And if the other women were affairs, then that establishes a pattern. If they were sexual encounters it establishes a pattern. Granted, some men might sleep with more than a few women, but the ones who don't develop relationships with them do lean toward womanizing or just sleeping around. Really it has more to do with what the relationships were. Based on what we know of Alistair's mother, seems like he just slept with her then disregarded her or maybe had some kind of affair with her. If it was the case with the others, well, how many do you need to see a pattern?
I fall into the "Fiona is Alistair's mother" camp. It fits the timeline, and frankly, it makes for a better (read: more dramatic) story.
Why would you not believe it? If Alistair is his child which was known from when he is a child (no reason to lie there) then someone not of royal blood was his mom. His sister, Goldanna, thinks this is so. So who was she? No, maybe he's not a womanizer though we don't know if he had one maid why he wouldn't have had more since nobody ever speaks of him as caring about her. Goldanna implies it might have been rape. Not directly but her take on it was veering in that direction. Or at least that he wanted her and had her. We have no reason to doubt she was a redcliffe maid or serving girl. She worked for the castle. She was someone he slept with. She died and the kids were shipped away. Doesn't even vaguely imply that he cared about her. Also gives us no reason to doubt it. So there is a reason to question the kind of man he was in that regard because it's not a complete leap to think if he was that way toward one of the serving girls or whatever that he didn't do it with more but they just never conceived or we don't learn of it if they did. And if the other women were affairs, then that establishes a pattern. If they were sexual encounters it establishes a pattern. Granted, some men might sleep with more than a few women, but the ones who don't develop relationships with them do lean toward womanizing or just sleeping around. Really it has more to do with what the relationships were. Based on what we know of Alistair's mother, seems like he just slept with her then disregarded her or maybe had some kind of affair with her. If it was the case with the others, well, how many do you need to see a pattern?
Goldanna is not his sister. Fiona is a female elf mage warden and that is his final love. His wife and best friend Rowan already died. This is why I do have a spot for Alistair. He has an opportunity to reach out to the elves and mages. In his King's ending he adds an elf in his council which pisses off the nobles. That is a step in the correct direction. I'm hoping he will find Marc and Marc will tell him who his mother is.
I fall into the "Fiona is Alistair's mother" camp. It fits the timeline, and frankly, it makes for a better (read: more dramatic) story.
She is. None of the books point to Goldanna. Fiona gave the baby to Duncan who took it to the King. If Alistair is not that baby then where is that baby?
I fall into the "Fiona is Alistair's mother" camp. It fits the timeline, and frankly, it makes for a better (read: more dramatic) story.
She is. None of the books point to Goldanna. Fiona gave the baby to Duncan who took it to the King. If Alistair is not that baby then where is that baby?
While you're probably right, there's also the possibility that said baby hasn't been introduced yet.
I fall into the "Fiona is Alistair's mother" camp. It fits the timeline, and frankly, it makes for a better (read: more dramatic) story.
She is. None of the books point to Goldanna. Fiona gave the baby to Duncan who took it to the King. If Alistair is not that baby then where is that baby?
Cullen is Alistair's long lost brother of course. 
While you're probably right, there's also the possibility that said baby hasn't been introduced yet.
Why would the writer take that path? Marc wasn't written to be a womanizer.
Cullen is Alistair's long lost brother of course.
Why? Cullen never said he didn't know who he father was.
Fiona did have Marc's baby and she did have Duncan take the baby to the King because a female Warden would have to leave the order if they had a baby. So where is the baby of the man who had three relationships. Katrina died no child. Rowan is Cailan's mom.
Is it your belief they dump the kid in the trash? That doesn't sound like Marc. So where is the child that is about Alistair's age. Was Marc involved with the maid? I wonder why David didn't write him as a womanizer.
If you have a conversation with AL, he states that Duncan had a relationship with him before becoming a Warden. He states that Duncan knew he wasn't happy and he argued with the Grand Cleric to get him out.
Why would the writer take that path? Marc wasn't written to be a womanizer.
I'm not sure why he would, if he would, or if he did. I'm just pointing out that that's another option open to him, and that we don't yet know he hasn't taken it.
Cullen is probably a few years too old (at least he presents as older than 20). And Mr. Gaider has confirmed that Anders (the other name most often mentioned as the likely not!Alistair candidate for the Fiona/Maric spawn) is also too old.
Alistair, OTH, is exactly the right age to be that babby. (And damned likeable, as well.)
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