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[NuclearTech76]

Bat Solider kicks all of their asses but carry on arguing about the first loser. 

[Kislitsin]

Bat Solider kicks all of their asses but carry on arguing about the first loser. 

Useless scum, keep dreaming. And say hello to your only friends - IA4 and GC-V

[Kislitsin]

Depends on what you call a weapon platform. As far as I can see there is absolutely no point to add powers with significant damage or other weapon modifying bonuses to design kits that are (potentially) much better than others with some or all weapons.
 
Powers that give DR, stagger immunity, boost shields, teleport players to the target, boost speed, give I-frames, debuff, slow enemies, cloak and so forth are all examples that don't need to mess with weapons to be good. There are plenty of other ways too. I believe it's best to explore those things first, before making things needlessly complicated.

Oh, now I see it.
cloak, stim packs, recon mine = balanced and skill
MM, DM, HM = noobtubes











no. L2Calibrate, stubborn Krogan.

[NuclearTech76]

Useless scum, keep dreaming. And say hello to your only friends - IA4 and GC-V

I'm sorry I can't hear you over the sound of burning enemies screaming.

[SpaceV3gan]

Destroyer is a walking Marksman and has one of the best grenades of the game.
I assume people here are speculating the Tsol or the QMS could outdamage him by using some of their debuff powers. But in a real world scenario grenade spam > debuff, anyday.

 

[Cyonan]

 

Depends on what you call a weapon platform. As far as I can see there is absolutely no point to add powers with significant damage or other weapon modifying bonuses to design kits that are (potentially) much better than others with some or all weapons.

 

Powers that give DR, stagger immunity, boost shields, teleport players to the target, boost speed, give I-frames, debuff, slow enemies, cloak and so forth are all examples that don't need to mess with weapons to be good. There are plenty of other ways too. I believe it's best to explore those things first, before making things needlessly complicated.

 

 

If weapons are going to be the bulk of your damage however, you need a boost to be able to compete with the ones dealing massive amounts of power based damage. Even right now on Gold, I would rather have Cluster Grenade than Devastator Mode in terms of damage. Of course, the N7 Destroyer has both Devastator Mode and Multi-Frags.

 

Debuffs also do have a significant impact on weapon performance. It's not a coincidence that all the best weapons users have either a debuff or a grenade power.

 

As I said before it just requires being a bit more careful about it. Obviously the Geth Infiltrator was going to be a weapon damage monstrosity when you give him multiple multiplicative damage buffs, additive damage buffs, invisibility, accuracy, rate of fire, movement speed, and wall hacks with fairly little downside to having all of that.

 

I would also argue they should take another look at weapon weight. Recharge speed doesn't really mean a whole lot to most kits right now.

[Fortack]

Oh, now I see it.
cloak, stim packs, recon mine = balanced and skill
MM, DM, HM = noobtubes
 

 

Just answer me this: How do you propose to balance a weapon like the Talon? Based on how it behaves in the hands of the GI or on kits without those crazy bonuses? Either way, you always end up with a broken gun - good on some and bad for the rest; or good on everything and godlike on a few.

 

I know I am a crazy Krogan scientist and a sinner who likes to go sniping at times. I never understood why my perfect headshot only took out half the target's shield whilst some other moron kills the same target, using the same gun, with a single buttshot.

[lightswitch]

headshots are better than grenades.

[Deerber]

headshots are better than grenades.

 

Sorry, can't hear you over the noise of my clusterfuckbombs wiping every spawn on the map from existance...

[Kislitsin]

 
I know I am a crazy Krogan scientist and a sinner who likes to go sniping at times. I never understood why my perfect headshot only took out half the target's shield whilst some other moron kills the same target, using the same gun, with a single buttshot.

Does it has something to do with MM or DM?
Much more like lolcloak issue with SRs.

Talon is as broken as GI, bad example.

[Deerber]

Does it has something to do with MM or DM?
Much more like lolcloak issue with SRs.

Talon is as broken as GI, bad example.

 

The Talon's not really broken, in my opinion. It's an all around gun that provides solid firepower for little weight to casters... It would not be broken if its downsides were not ones that are pretty much entirely negated by using a weapon class. That makes the gun broken. Used on a caster it's far from being so.

[Deerber]

 

 

 

Double post, sorry :/

[Fortack]

Does it has something to do with MM or DM?
Much more like lolcloak issue with SRs.

Talon is as broken as GI, bad example.

 
You don't seem to be able to answer my question which is answer enough for me.
 
MM and DM break all weapons that are supposed to have bad accuracy (thus effective range). Talon is an excellent example by the way; and so are the Piranha, Claymore, Raider, Punisher, Hurricane, Brophoon and so on.
 
Bottom line is that good (ergo, balanced) design gives everything pros and cons. When you add gimmicks that remove all the cons without penalties you break balance. The Lolreegar was meant to be good versus shields and barriers only, yet with mods and ammo it becomes the best weapon against health and armor too. Correct me if I am wrong, but do you like the Lolreegar? Based on your posts so far, I dare say you do b/c MM & DM do the exact same thing with a lot of other weapons.

[Kislitsin]

Whether you like It or not, GTS TSol and Destroyer (sans nades) are a perfect example of balanced weapon classes. You can cry as much as you want, those can't be compared to lolcloak kits.

GI without cloak is an example when it brakes, and whola, he has a lolcloak in addition. 

 

Talon and hurrdur have to much of a kick for their weight. "Caster weapon" should either have less utility or less dps.

 

Bout SGs: following your logic I can say that charge kits brake those weapons in the same way.

 

How do you think yourself, if I like to aim my weapons, Do I like reeger? 

(Tip: the answer is no, I diss the reeger as well as lolcolyte, judging on your posts though, you might like the lolcolyte)

[ALTBOULI]

Tsol, Hsol, quarksman and destroyer

Bat Solider kicks all of their asses but carry on arguing about the first loser. 

Krogan soldier > Bat soldier

[Deerber]

Whether you like It or not, GTS TSol and Destroyer (sans nades) are a perfect example of balanced weapon classes. You can cry as much as you want, those can't be compared to lolcloak kits.
GI without cloak is an example when it brakes, and whola, he has a lolcloak in addition.

Talon and hurrdur have to much of a kick for their weight. "Caster weapon" should either have less utility or less dps.

Bout SGs: following your logic I can say that charge kits brake those weapons in the same way.

How do you think yourself, if I like to aim my weapons, Do I like reeger?
(Tip: the answer is no, I diss the reeger as well as lolcolyte, judging on your posts though, you might like the lolcolyte)

Man... The only two weapons I've ever seen Fortack using are the claymore and the javelin. And we've played quite a lot of games, trust me

I happen to agree with Fortack, to a degree. You do bring up a good point about charge though... As much as it pains me to admit it, because I love that power.

[Turian Master Race]

Just answer me this: How do you propose to balance a weapon like the Talon? Based on how it behaves in the hands of the GI or on kits without those crazy bonuses? Either way, you always end up with a broken gun - good on some and bad for the rest; or good on everything and godlike on a few.

 

The Talon is perfectly fine, it is a bit OP but fine for an UR weapon. It is the GI which is broken, for reasons already listed by Cyonan, and not the Talon. It is the GI which should have been better balanced, also it is the GI which broke "the balance" of many weapons not the TSol or the Destroyer.

 

I know I am a crazy Krogan scientist and a sinner who likes to go sniping at times. I never understood why my perfect headshot only took out half the target's shield whilst some other moron kills the same target, using the same gun, with a single buttshot.

Calibrations.

[Turian Master Race]

Tsol, Hsol, quarksman and destroyer
Krogan soldier > Bat soldier

Is this a size measuring contest? Because if so then:

 

Krogan warlord > Krogan soldier > Bat soldier

[Turian Master Race]

 
MM and DM break all weapons that are supposed to have bad accuracy (thus effective range). Talon is an excellent example by the way; and so are the Piranha, Claymore, Raider, Punisher, Hurricane, Brophoon and so on.
 
Bottom line is that good (ergo, balanced) design gives everything pros and cons. When you add gimmicks that remove all the cons without penalties you break balance.

 

I don't remember anyone complaining about the TSol breaking the balance of any weapons. Alos the have penalties: the TSol has it is MM on the same cooldown as proxy and CS, the Destroyer is bloody slow, and the TSol cannot dodge which is a huge penalty on higher difficulties.

[dudemacha]

Is this a size measuring contest? Because if so then:

Krogan warlord > Krogan soldier > Bat soldier

Crab greater than all of them?

[Kislitsin]

Man... The only two weapons I've ever seen Fortack using are the claymore and the javelin. And we've played quite a lot of games, trust me

I happen to agree with Fortack, to a degree. You do bring up a good point about charge though... As much as it pains me to admit it, because I love that power.

My accusing in lolcolyte use was a mirror response at his "reeger offense".

 

In that case I can't understand his dissing of mentioned 3 weapons platforms. And I can't believe that the only person who (probably) uses Raider TSol more often than me can agree with dat...

 

It has been said already, that GI is the one who brakes errything.

[HusarX]

Krogan soldier > Bat soldier

1vs1me

[ALTBOULI]

1vs1me

Anytime scrub, i'll set it to Reactor Hazard vs Collectors

[Fortack]

Whether you like It or not, GTS TSol and Destroyer (sans nades) are a perfect example of balanced weapon classes. You can cry as much as you want, those can't be compared to lolcloak kits.

GI without cloak is an example when it brakes, and whola, he has a lolcloak in addition. 

 

Talon and hurrdur have to much of a kick for their weight. "Caster weapon" should either have less utility or less dps.

 

Bout SGs: following your logic I can say that charge kits brake those weapons in the same way.

 

How do you think yourself, if I like to aim my weapons, Do I like reeger? 

(Tip: the answer is no, I diss the reeger as well as lolcolyte, judging on your posts though, you might like the lolcolyte)

 

GTS, TSol, and Destroyer are perfect examples how one ruins anything hinting towards weapon balance. But you don't seem to care about balance at all. Fair enough, stupid though. The TSol with the Raider makes the lolreegar with cheese looks kinda meh + free reload & vastly superior range.

 

Tactical Cheat breaks the game - the GI with its ridiculous extra bonuses only makes matters much worse, but whatever.

 

Charge is fine as it puts its user at some degree of risk. The weapon damage bonus is retarded, obviously, and completely unnecessary. But apparently that was the only thing the guys at Bioware could think of, which is quite pathetic if you ask me.

 

Oh, and there are no such things as "casters" in the ME games. Or perhaps you can name a single character Shepard fights in all 3 games who doesn't use a gun?

[Fortack]

Calibrations.

 

Nope. Those with access to poorly designed "powers" do not use the same weapons anymore. That means they break the rules the game has set which according to some is considered cheating. Legit cheating mayhaps, but still ...