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[congokong]

Yeah, my Hawke didn't hate her rivals like Aveline. She just liked getting under her skin. Anders as a rival didn't make sense for my pro-mage character because he assumed I was pro-templar because of being on the rivalry path. All because of taking Torpor's deal in Night Terrors which earned 50 rivalry. Such a whiner.

[congokong]

I like Aveline too, but the rivalry isn't necessarily against that. She's still my best friend in the game, personally.. No matter gender, no matter if rivaled.

Most characters won't consider you "friends" if rivaled though. If they were friends they would be on the friendship path. They just respect you.

 

Aveline: "Maybe we're not friends, but who else do I have.'

 

Hawke: "We're not exactly friends, Fenris."

 

Merrill: "We were never friends."

 

There is much dialogue where they'd call you a friend that's changed if rivaled.

[congokong]

It is a bit sad when you're BFFs with someone who doesn't even consider you a friend. lol

 

Rivalries are still more fun for the game though. Isabela/Aveline is very amusing so I often drag them along together like through all of MotA. I also like the Anders/Merrill/Fenris triangle since they all dislike each other. Anders actually gets friendship points if you give Fenris to Danarius. Wow.

[congokong]

Friend or not, it's just easy to rival Aveline; especially since Hawke inevitably is a law-breaker unless you avoid any shady quests. On her personal quests she's rather whiny.  Even if you sided with Petrice and pointed that out at Jeven's rally you get crap from her.

 

Hawke: "I do what you can't. And you've taken advantage of that more than once."

Aveline: "You're right. Making me look weak saved lives. Never again. Do you hear me? Never."

 

Seriously, Aveline? You'd rather look good than save lives? It just feels good to rival her in situations like that, or when she complains about the shield gift, or says to go have fun because she's too busy in her Act 2 Questioning Beliefs (or she will whine that you don't become a guard if on the friendship path).

[Dean_the_Young]

Funnest part about the rivalries is that they all pretty much include forcing a character to confront their own character flaws, and in a way they don't do if you friendship them. It works to varying degrees, but in many respects they come out as better people for it when they accept their own biases, hypocrisies, and self-serving lies.

 

It's almost painful to see them so happily paper over it in the friendship routes. It's not that the flaws get fixed in some gentler way- they're just forgiven or ignored or actively embraced.

[Xilizhra]

Funnest part about the rivalries is that they all pretty much include forcing a character to confront their own character flaws, and in a way they don't do if you friendship them. It works to varying degrees, but in many respects they come out as better people for it when they accept their own biases, hypocrisies, and self-serving lies.

 

It's almost painful to see them so happily paper over it in the friendship routes. It's not that the flaws get fixed in some gentler way- they're just forgiven or ignored or actively embraced.

Well, Merrill learns to be less obsessive about a single goal and that trying to help people without their consent is doomed to failure, Aveline learns to relax some and settles quite nicely into her new role, Anders manages to veer out of his suicidal phase... I find myself unable to agree, especially since only one of the three rivalries I've done seems to fit your criteria (Isabela's); Fenris' nudges him slightly in the direction of getting over his hatred but doesn't actually get him there, and Sebastian's rivalry actually introduces a new flaw (greater ruthlessness). And from what I know of a couple of other rivalries, Anders' depression deepens and his split personality issues get worse, and Merrill's already shaky self-confidence is painfully undermined.

[congokong]

Funnest part about the rivalries is that they all pretty much include forcing a character to confront their own character flaws, and in a way they don't do if you friendship them. It works to varying degrees, but in many respects they come out as better people for it when they accept their own biases, hypocrisies, and self-serving lies.

 

It's almost painful to see them so happily paper over it in the friendship routes. It's not that the flaws get fixed in some gentler way- they're just forgiven or ignored or actively embraced.

 

True, for most characters this is the case because Hawke has the magic ability of persuasion.

 

Anders realizes Justice's hold on him.

Isabela tries to become a better person.

Merrill believes her mirror work was wrong.

Aveline realizes she cherry-picks when to follow the law.

Varric has no opinions so nothing changes.

Sebastian is unique in that friendship/rivalry simply sways him in different directions on the Chantry/Starkhaven conflict.

Fenris really fails in character development. It had the potential to be more interesting with him starting to be less biased towards mages (especially with a mage Hawke), but his opinion of them never sways no matter what you do.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

Fenris friendship with mage Hawke is hilarious for this one line after killing Danarius in Alone.

 

Hawke (comforting): You have friends, Fenris.

Fenris (dry scoff): Yes. A mage is my only friend...

 

I still LOL at that one. Self-pwned so hard.

[KaiserShep]

I do so enjoy Fenris' irony. He even points it out in the Circle if he joins you to fight the Templars.

[TheWhitefire]

One thing I really like about DA:2's friendship/rivalry are the Rivalmances. Rivalmancing Merrill was a really bizzarro experience. It was this weird strained relationship, where you clearly didn't support what she was doing, yet somehow you both loved each other unconditionally, and it's truly unconditional because you actively hate her flaw, and yet you still care about her at the end of the day. It makes me want to rivalmance more characters.

[congokong]

My biggest issue with the friendship/rivalry system is that until meta-gaming out of it some characters were stuck in a sort of limbo between friendship/rivalry. Ex: For my first few playthroughs I'd be nice to Fenris but defend mages which put him in the middle. Then the game requires 50%/100% friendship/rivalry for the Questioning Beliefs quests. 100%? Seriously? Why? That can be very difficult to achieve.