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[Ispan]

<tries to hit like in vain>

 

He can't blame Sten if you go meta in your RP.

 

So true!  My poor elfQuisitor... she'll have to find out the hard way

[Grieving Natashina]

I actually hope they reference that conversation if he is an LI. 

 

Inquisitor: "I'm not going to need a prybar and something to bite down on, am I?"

Iron Bull: "...The hell gave you that idea?"

Once a day, someone damn near makes coffee come out of my nose on the forums.

 

You sir, are that someone on this day.  

 

 

So true!  My poor elfQuisitor... she'll have to find out the hard way 

 

You said "hard."  

 

_{That's it, come here you!  <muffles Isabela>}

 

In all honesty, it would be a nice change to see a Qunari as a love interest.  We've seen a tiny bit of a softer side (Sten's love for cookies, the Arishok's very cute smile,) but not much in the way of emotion.  From what I've been reading from the wiki and from WoT, it seems Qunari feel very deeply.  They usually don't show very much physical affection, but they are intense in their feelings.

 

Then again, I haven't seen a Qunari yet that wasn't intense about something. 

[Banxey]

Once a day, someone damn near makes coffee come out of my nose on the forums.

 

You sir, are that someone on this day.  

 

 

 

You said "hard."  

 

_{That's it, come here you!  <muffles Isabela>}

 

In all honesty, it would be a nice change to see a Qunari as a love interest.  We've seen a tiny bit of a softer side (Sten's love for cookies, the Arishok's very cute smile,) but not much in the way of emotion.  From what I've been reading from the wiki and from WoT, it seems Qunari feel very deeply.  They usually don't show very much physical affection, but they are intense in their feelings.

 

Then again, I haven't seen a Qunari yet that wasn't intense about something. 

 

I love the banter Sten has with Leliana about what a big softie he is. It would be nice to see a more human side to qunari, even if they weren't love interests.

[Clockwork_Wings]

There's a mention on another bored of someone theorizing Iron Bull is a rogue, being a mercenary and all, and not a warrior.  While he looks like a warrior, a rogue would be neat because the whole point of Iron Bull seems to be breaking the normal qunari mold. 

[Grieving Natashina]

I love the banter Sten has with Leliana about what a big softie he is. It would be nice to see a more human side to qunari, even if they weren't love interests.

Leliana can be hit and miss with me sometimes.  It depends upon what I'm RP'ing.   However, no matter my mentality, the way she calls Sten "A softie" never fails to make me smile.

 

[Former_Fiend]

I don't see the correlation there. I think mercenary, I think someone who's hired to fight, I think warrior.

 

I also think making a character as built as Iron Bull into a class where strength is low priority doesn't make any damn sense.

[Clockwork_Wings]

It was something I caught a glimpse of on either the Companion Speculation or Iron Bull and my Inquisitor threads.  I thought it was interesting.  The bandit is a common rogue archetype, and while I look at him and think "warrior," I think it would be interesting for them to break our assumptions about qunari completely.

 

Definitely playing a qunari rogue when I'm done playing a saarabas.

[Eveangaline]

I know Sten was trolling Morrigan, but the "something to bite down on" comment really stuck with me   If Iron Bull ends up an LI, he can blame Sten for the fact that he won't be getting a lot of action from my Inquisitor.

Try to keep in mind that being physically large doesn't always mean a species is well endowed in that area. Gorillas for example are only 1.5 to 2 inches long, and that's while in action.

[Former_Fiend]

Bandit works equally well for rogue as it does for warrior, I suppose. 

 

But even when thinking about a combat oriented rogue, I think stealth, ambush, hit and run tactics. I think scout and skirmisher.

 

Iron Bull looks like he's going to charge head long into the thick of it.

 

And I maintain that it is just going to be weird having a character that looks like he looks that'll end up with one of the lower strength scores in the party.

[Divine Justinia V]

 

This thread isn't complete unless this picture is in here.

[Clockwork_Wings]

Bandit works equally well for rogue as it does for warrior, I suppose. 

 

But even when thinking about a combat oriented rogue, I think stealth, ambush, hit and run tactics. I think scout and skirmisher.

 

Iron Bull looks like he's going to charge head long into the thick of it.

 

And I maintain that it is just going to be weird having a character that looks like he looks that'll end up with one of the lower strength scores in the party.

 

That's kind of what I like about it. 

[CybAnt1]

Three things are unknown at this point:

 

1) human-qunari sexual compatibility (let alone elf or dwarf) (yes, I tend to agree with "Sten was trolling Morrigan" but we just don't know, yet)

2) human-qunari reproductive compatibility (can they reproduce, and what is the child?)

3) whether qunari outside the Qun, Vashoth, would pursue romance with a human, if either 1 or 2 is true. Qun-following Qunari would not, but I think Iron Bull is not one. 

 

BTW, I think the Qunari are a lot kinda like Vulcans in that they have plenty of feelings and emotions, it's just that the Qun seems to preach stoicism and not being swayed by one's personal, individual feelings and emotions, whether it comes to love or hate. Sten shows us that even Qun followers keep their sense of humor. 

[Clockwork_Wings]

I've always felt that the qunari channel their emotions differently than we do.  Pouring one's heart into their craft seems very like them.

 

Also remember we've met only soldiers and Tallis so far.  Tallis could be the norm for the ben-hassrath for all we know, and rigid conformity is hardly conductive to creativity, and we know they have artisans and craftsmen.

 

Since humans, elves, and dwarves can all interbreed I suspect the qunari can be thrown into the mix.  It would be odd to leave them out.  But that's up to the devs.

 

And it's a safe assumption that qunari in the control of the player can pursue romantic relationships, and do so with non-qunari.

 

Quick, where's that "You are a funny dwarf" comic?

[Former_Fiend]

Eh, I'm just not on board with it. I'm certainly not against the idea of a qunari rogue in general, but Iron Bull isn't that guy. 

 

You're not just challenging our perception of what a qunari is at that point, you're challenging our perception of what a rogue is, and while I don't think either of those are bad ideas, combining them seems to cancel each other out.

 

So far all images of Iron Bull have shown him with rather large swords, which by DA standards straddle the line between one and two handed weapons. DA rogues don't use swords, though, they use daggers; so keeping up with Iron Bull's image while making him a rogue would require giving him a unique build, like Varric has with Bianca, and that isn't something I think they should do; at least not with another rogue.

 

There's also nothing about his character that suggests "rogue" to me. He doesn't seem like someone who'd sneak around. He seems like more the type to smash a chest or door open than pick a lock.

 

So when you have a character that looks nothing like a rogue and acts nothing like a rogue, I have to ask, why bother making him a rogue?

 

The only thing about him that remotely suggests rogue is that he wears lighter armor than the other warriors we've seen, but that's hardly conclusive.

 

I feel a lot of this "Iron Bull's a rogue" speculation stems from wishful thinking from people who're holding out on Cullen being the third warrior, to be honest.

[Eveangaline]

Wasn't the Arishok a rogue? If he could pull it off, no reason Iron Bull can't.

[Grieving Natashina]

 

This thread isn't complete unless this picture is in here.

"IT'S THE ARISTOCRATS!"

 

I'm a bad bad rogue.  

[Clockwork_Wings]

Eh, I'm just not on board with it. I'm certainly not against the idea of a qunari rogue in general, but Iron Bull isn't that guy. 

 

You're not just challenging our perception of what a qunari is at that point, you're challenging our perception of what a rogue is, and while I don't think either of those are bad ideas, combining them seems to cancel each other out.

 

So far all images of Iron Bull have shown him with rather large swords, which by DA standards straddle the line between one and two handed weapons. DA rogues don't use swords, though, they use daggers; so keeping up with Iron Bull's image while making him a rogue would require giving him a unique build, like Varric has with Bianca, and that isn't something I think they should do; at least not with another rogue.

 

There's also nothing about his character that suggests "rogue" to me. He doesn't seem like someone who'd sneak around. He seems like more the type to smash a chest or door open than pick a lock.

 

So when you have a character that looks nothing like a rogue and acts nothing like a rogue, I have to ask, why bother making him a rogue?

 

The only thing about him that remotely suggests rogue is that he wears lighter armor than the other warriors we've seen, but that's hardly conclusive.

 

I feel a lot of this "Iron Bull's a rogue" speculation stems from wishful thinking from people who're holding out on Cullen being the third warrior, to be honest.

Yeah, I get that.  I just enjoy speculating. 

 

Wasn't the Arishok a rogue? If he could pull it off, no reason Iron Bull can't.

For programming purposes, I believe he was.

[Grieving Natashina]

A few have taken the (now confirmed) fact that he's a mercenary, then combined with him showing two weapons in the art.  I think that is where the speculation is stemming from.  Personally, I take that as a very tentative sign that maybe dual wielding warriors are returning.

[Clockwork_Wings]

You know what would be awesome?  Qunari armor.  I want my inkossithers to have those grated helmets from DA2. 

[Former_Fiend]

A few have taken the (now confirmed) fact that he's a mercenary, then combined with him showing two weapons in the art.  I think that is where the speculation is stemming from.  Personally, I take that as a very tentative sign that maybe dual wielding warriors are returning.

 

 

 

I still don't see the mercenary=rogue connection. Can a rogue be a mercenary? Sure, why not. But that's not what I think of when I think mercenary. 

 

And I figured any secondary weapons in art would probably end up being purely cosmetic in gameplay, things he might use in cutscenes. In game images seem to have him favoring a single blade.

[CybAnt1]

DA rogues don't use swords, though, they use daggers; 

 

Not true. They could use swords in DAO, they just needed enough strength to use them. For basic swords, it wasn't that much. A tier 1 longsword only required around 11 strength to use. Dual wielding rogues in DAO could fight with 2 swords, or sword & dagger. Of course, I think they needed daggers in the main hand for backstabs. 

 

Only DA2 made it "iron law" that rogues were now dagger-only. 

 

A lot of people said in the first game, and then in the 2nd, they should create DEX swords for rogues (short swords, cutlasses, sabers, etc.) and not just have them use the STR longswords otherwise used by warriors. But they never did. 

 

Still, like I said, it didn't take a lot of STR to use some basic - or even basic magic - longswords in DAO, so rogues could. 

[Clockwork_Wings]

Have we seen Iron Bull standing next to anyone else in in-game shots?  Maybe he's small for a qunari!

 

In all seriousness, I wonder if he is tal-vashoth or born outside the qun?

 

The wiki mentions priests from the culture before the qun being reeducated or driven into exile.  Maybe there is a rogue colony of kossith?

[Former_Fiend]

Not true. They could use swords in DAO, they just needed enough strength to use them. For basic swords, it wasn't that much. A tier 1 longsword only required around 11 strength to use. Dual wielding rogues in DAO could fight with 2 swords, or sword & dagger. Of course, I think they needed daggers in the main hand for backstabs. 

 

Only DA2 made it "iron law" that rogues were now dagger-only. 

 

A lot of people said in the first game, and then in the 2nd, they should create DEX swords for rogues (short swords, cutlasses, sabers, etc.) and not just have them use the STR longswords otherwise used by warriors. But they never did. 

 

Still, like I said, it didn't take a lot of STR to use some basic - or even basic magic - longswords in DAO, so rogues could. 

 

 

Very true; it's just not something I see them back-tracking on, is all.

 

Also goes to my other point; Iron Bull should be a strength based character, not a dex based character.

[Divine Justinia V]

In all seriousness, I wonder if he is tal-vashoth or born outside the qun?

 

The wiki mentions priests from the culture before the qun being reeducated or driven into exile.  Maybe there is a rogue colony of kossith?

 

I have a feeling he's Tal-Vashoth

[Clockwork_Wings]

Probably, but speculation is fun.