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[Zellya]

The only potential problem I can see with the Vashoth Inquisitor and IB is what if, at some point, the Qunari take interest and want the Inquisitor *educated*? Even worse if Quizzy is a Mage. Even worse if Quizzy is in a romance with IB, and IB is the one chosen to rein her/him in.

 

Based on what we know of Iron Bull now, though, I doubt that will happen. Patrick Weekes mentioned in the character profile interview that IB isn't looking to convert anyone. I'm personally curious to see how he reacts to a mage inquisitor, seeing as how he does still believe in the Qun, despite being very atypical for a Qunari... Although I still don't think said reaction would be anything so drastic as trying to cut out the PC's tongue and collar him/her.

 

Also... Hi Iron Bull thread :3

[Former_Fiend]

I just don't see that as the kind of thing that would be made into an issue in the game's span.

 

Maybe after the rifts are closed the qunari might get antsy.

[Former_Fiend]

We've only ever seen one qunari freak out about mages; Arvaarad. Every other one we've ever met is fairly chill around them. Sten may have some things to say about "proper civilized attitudes towards magic", but he still has no problem following a mage warden.

[Wolfen09]

well, i think thats before they decided to explore the whole qunari thing after origins

[Walrider]

We've only ever seen one qunari freak out about mages; Arvaarad. Every other one we've ever met is fairly chill around them. Sten may have some things to say about "proper civilized attitudes towards magic", but he still has no problem following a mage warden.

 

I think it's because of the Qunari peoples' extreme adherence to roles, though. It isn't Sten's place to make a woman into a farmer, so he doesn't. It isn't the Arishok's place to educate the bas around him, so he doesn't.

 

Likewise, it doesn't seem to be anyone's place to safeguard the Saarebas but the Arvaarad. And the one Arvaarad we met was very adamant about proper protocol for mages.

 

The Qun seems be very strict about what someone does within their role. Which is to say, you only do what your role dictates; nothing more, nothing less.

 

The other Qunari don't care about the mages because they're not supposed to.

[Former_Fiend]

I think it's because of the Qunari peoples' extreme adherence to roles, though. It isn't Sten's place to make a woman into a farmer, so he doesn't. It isn't the Arishok's place to educate the bas around him, so he doesn't.

 

Likewise, it doesn't seem to be anyone's place to safeguard the Saarebas but the Arvaarad. And the one Arvaarad we met was very adamant about proper protocol for mages.

 

The Qun seems be very strict about what someone does within their role. Which is to say, you only do what your role dictates; nothing more, nothing less.

 

The other Qunari don't care about the mages because they're not supposed to.

 

These are essentially my thoughts on it.

 

Iron Bull won't act anything like Arvaarad because he isn't an Arvaarad. 

[Rel Fexive]

The only potential problem I can see with the Vashoth Inquisitor and IB is what if, at some point, the Qunari take interest and want the Inquisitor *educated*? Even worse if Quizzy is a Mage. Even worse if Quizzy is in a romance with IB, and IB is the one chosen to rein her/him in.

 

 IB's bosses shouldn't be particularly interested in "educating" a qunari inquisitor any more than they would any other bas.  They don't 'own' the species, after all.  Anyone can join the Qun.

[Aner91]

Hmmm...i was in the twitter thread and someone told me that IB is using the Reaver spec in the E3 demo, this got me thinking, since i remember that the Reaver spec was teached by demons.

 

Reaver qoute from the Wiki:

 

"Demonic spirits teach more than blood magic. Reavers terrorize their enemies, feast upon the souls of their slain opponents to heal their own flesh, and can unleash a blood frenzy that makes them more powerful as they come nearer to their own deaths."

 

....but i guess the inq could have teached him or someone else did...

 

but then it changes for DA:2:

 

"A true reaver has tasted the ritually prepared blood of a dragon. It is more than a state of mind. These fearsome warriors revel in death, regaining energy from the suffering of their foes."

 

but i can´t help to feel like that spec is contradicting to Iron bulls character...so why would he use it, if he is so afraid of most if not all things demonic?...

 

this is just from a story perspective and not a gameplay one mind you

[Rel Fexive]

I think "we saw Iron Bull had the reaver spec" could be entirely erroneous.  The game isn't finished yet; we can't say for certain that Bull or anyone else (besides the Inquisitor) can have that spec any more than we can say that level seven characters can easily take on a high dragon - what we were seeing in those demos is not the completed game.  We just don't know enough - anything - about companion abilities yet.

[Chari]

I'm pretty sure Reavers do not requite demonic aid. Maybe in the beginning this is how this specialisation appeared but it doesn't mean it is required anymore to become a reaver. And since qunari may be related to dragons, they don't even need to drink their blood - it's already in their veins

[Rel Fexive]

It's entirely possible that there are several entirely different ways to have abilities that get you the label of 'reaver' - maybe different regions or countries use the same term for different things.

[Aner91]

I think "we saw Iron Bull had the reaver spec" could be entirely erroneous.  The game isn't finished yet; we can't say for certain that Bull or anyone else (besides the Inquisitor) can have that spec any more than we can say that level seven characters can easily take on a high dragon - what we were seeing in those demos is not the completed game.  We just don't know enough - anything - about companion abilities yet.

Of course this is a speculation of what we may or may not have seen, so of course perhaps this is not true in the slightest, but it could be fun to speculate no? but i must say that the last picture of the class spec on the warrior site on the official website, sure looks like the reaver spec to me.

 

I'm pretty sure Reavers do not requite demonic aid. Maybe in the beginning this is how this specialisation appeared but it doesn't mean it is required anymore to become a reaver. And since qunari may be related to dragons, they don't even need to drink their blood - it's already in their veins

So...why didn´t all the qunari in DA2 use it? :S No hate, just seems a little far fetched for me ^^ (but then again i´m stupid so )

[Chari]

So...why didn´t all the qunari in DA2 use it? :S No hate, just seems a little far fetched for me ^^ (but then again i´m stupid so  )

 

Did qunari in DA2 even have specialisations? Then had the same looks and were just basic NPCs, so... Hmm, IMHO, something like berserker and reaver could easily fit this race, since they've pretty much invented qun to make sure they don't kill each other in rage. Look at Sten, or Saarebas, or Arishok, or Rasaan. It'sa good thing they learn to control their temper

[Clockwork_Wings]

 IB's bosses shouldn't be particularly interested in "educating" a qunari inquisitor any more than they would any other bas.  They don't 'own' the species, after all.  Anyone can join the Qun.

I think part of a saarabas joining the qun means...well, you saw how Shepherding Wolves ended.  A mage that's spent its life uncollared could have been in all sorts of messes before seeing the wisdom of the qun.

[Rel Fexive]

I think part of a saarabas joining the qun means...well, you saw how Shepherding Wolves ended.  A mage that's spent its life uncollared could have been in all sorts of messes before seeing the wisdom of the qun.

 

The situation is somewhat... tricky for mages who opt to join the Qun.  Or, more likely, are forced to... although any qunari would tell you you can't be forced to join. You have to choose to join, apparently, or it doesn't count.

 

I can't imagine any mage in their right mind would opt to join the only society that treats mages worse than the Circles do.

[Copper Ram]

The situation is somewhat... tricky for mages who opt to join the Qun.  Or, more likely, are forced to... although any qunari would tell you you can't be forced to join. You have to choose to join, apparently, or it doesn't count.

 

I can't imagine any mage in their right mind would opt to join the only society that treats mages worse than the Circles do.

I feel that Bioware could very much play into a mage opting to join the Qun willingly.  They could pull a great deal from historical parallels (I'll avoid direct mentions to remove any chance of misinterpretation or divergent conversation) and even more so from the very introspective level of "Is it a gift or a curse?"  It's very easy with all the (pardon the quasi-pun) witch hunting involved in having that Fade connection that a person could very realistically see themselves as deserving of a life as a Saarebas.  Even Ferelden, which can easily be seen as our "Western World" parallel, saddles even the respectable mages with some level of personal doubt as to whether or not they are worthy of a normal life outside of the Chantry enforced bridle.  The Qun, for all its faults and virtues, is capable of offering a confused, self-deprecating mage a place in which they may feel they "belong".

[Eveangaline]

Can a mage join the qun? I would assume they would immediately die because they spent most of their life without a controller and therefor is in a questionable state of tainted.

[PrayingMantis]

Well, I hope Iron Bull can give us some answers about the Qun. The information we have seems to be rather sketchy after all. It's all theory as well. I mean, communism sounds like a great idea in theory, but the practical application looks different. Maybe it's the same with qunari society? It's all fascinating and alien, but terrifying for some members, if you dig deeper into the topic.

 

I wonder how Iron Bull can stay (kind of) loyal to the Qun, though? He's basically breaking rules left and right and he's clearly enjoying such a life. Shouldn't he fear re-eduaction? Aren't there other Ben-Hassrath out there, who might find out about his half-assed behavior?

[Chernaya]

I wonder how Iron Bull can stay (kind of) loyal to the Qun, though? He's basically breaking rules left and right and he's clearly enjoying such a life. Shouldn't he fear re-eduaction? Aren't there other Ben-Hassrath out there, who might find out about his half-assed behavior?

I have the exact same questions. His loyalty seems pretty sketchy to me, even though he is still working for them. Not sure how he can so easily get away with it when so many of his fellow Qunari are so serious and he isn't. I guess those questions can't be fully answered until playing the game, but I can't help but be curious about it. x(

[SerCambria358]

I have the exact same questions. His loyalty seems pretty sketchy to me, even though he is still working for them. Not sure how he can so easily get away with it when so many of his fellow Qunari are so serious and he isn't. I guess those questions can't be fully answered until playing the game, but I can't help but be curious about it. x(

Well the Qunari dont like to waste assets, i guess he's proved himself on more than one occasion so when they found out he started to drift away due to his line of work, they sent him to an area where his "antics" wouldnt be an issue giving him the ability to do what he wanted while also playing a major role in their main goal. So its a win win scenario, im sure they plan to "re-educate" him whenever they're done using him in this area, maybe that might be a side mission, either letting the Qunari take him, or fight them off (thats if you've convinced him to go Tal-Vashoth). Just some ideas

[The Elder King]

I think that the spies of the Qun in the rest of Thedas are granted more freedom in their behaviour, due to the necessity of fitting in the other societies and not be suspicious (though IB is likely taking advantage of this).

[Former_Fiend]

 

Hmmm...i was in the twitter thread and someone told me that IB is using the Reaver spec in the E3 demo, this got me thinking, since i remember that the Reaver spec was teached by demons.

 

Reaver qoute from the Wiki:

 

"Demonic spirits teach more than blood magic. Reavers terrorize their enemies, feast upon the souls of their slain opponents to heal their own flesh, and can unleash a blood frenzy that makes them more powerful as they come nearer to their own deaths."

 

....but i guess the inq could have teached him or someone else did...

 

but then it changes for DA:2:

 

"A true reaver has tasted the ritually prepared blood of a dragon. It is more than a state of mind. These fearsome warriors revel in death, regaining energy from the suffering of their foes."

 

but i can´t help to feel like that spec is contradicting to Iron bulls character...so why would he use it, if he is so afraid of most if not all things demonic?...

 

this is just from a story perspective and not a gameplay one mind you

 

 

My guess is he sees it more as a dragon thing than a demon thing.

[Shark17676]

From the recent interview of Dorian

"Dorian's relationship with the Iron Bull is interesting. The Qunari have been at war with the Tevinter Imperium for centuries, after all, and the fact that neither Dorian nor Iron Bull are typical of their people makes for an intriguing arc."

 

Interesting. I can't wait to see how they interact with each other. 

 

Hmm...I wonder if Iron Bull and Dorian get together if neither are romanced by the Inquisitor.  Food for thought anyway.

[MilaBanilla]

Hmm...I wonder if Iron Bull and Dorian get together if neither are romanced by the Inquisitor.  Food for thought anyway.

 

Romance or Buddy & Cop style

I ship it  

[Clockwork_Wings]

The situation is somewhat... tricky for mages who opt to join the Qun.  Or, more likely, are forced to... although any qunari would tell you you can't be forced to join. You have to choose to join, apparently, or it doesn't count.

 

I can't imagine any mage in their right mind would opt to join the only society that treats mages worse than the Circles do.

I think the qunari define choice differently from us.  For one, they seem to see two choices, do or die.

 

Remember the guy in the viscount's keep who stood up to them?

 

"I don't want to join the qun."

"Okay." *shank*

 

Well, I hope Iron Bull can give us some answers about the Qun. The information we have seems to be rather sketchy after all. It's all theory as well. I mean, communism sounds like a great idea in theory, but the practical application looks different. Maybe it's the same with qunari society? It's all fascinating and alien, but terrifying for some members, if you dig deeper into the topic.

 

I wonder how Iron Bull can stay (kind of) loyal to the Qun, though? He's basically breaking rules left and right and he's clearly enjoying such a life. Shouldn't he fear re-eduaction? Aren't there other Ben-Hassrath out there, who might find out about his half-assed behavior?

I suspect this might be part of his personal quest.  I tend to describe him as "going native," as that's what it seems like to me.