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[sandalisthemaker]

Iron Bull is one of the few companions I could picture kicking out of the Inquisition in my canon playthrough ( the other being Cole ).  At the very least, I would love to have the option to confront him about his Ben-Hassrath status and be able to convince him to leave the Qun and pledge loyalty to the Inquisition and only the Inquisition. However, if he refuses to renounce the Qun, simply letting him leave may not be for the best, since he has so much intel to give away once he leaves. Elimination may be in order.

 

I may bide my time with him at first, but if he brags about boning Tallis or some such nonsence.... then that's it. He's out sooner rather than later. 

 

A shame since he was all set to be one of my favorites back when he was a Tal-Vashoth mercenary like the survey leak said. I simply cannot abide a spy for the Qun in my midst. Hopefully a satisfying outcome can occur during the course of the story, but I have my doubts as of now.

[Former_Fiend]

I'm not planning on kicking someone out over their religious convictions, but that's just me. 

 

I've noticed I'm on the upper end of the spectrum when it comes for tolerance and support of the Qun on these forums.

[sandalisthemaker]

I'm not planning on kicking someone out over their religious convictions, but that's just me. 

 

I've noticed I'm on the upper end of the spectrum when it comes for tolerance and support of the Qun on these forums.

 

If the Qun were not so blatantly a future enemy, perhaps I would roleplay a more tolerant canon Inquisitor.

[Hellion Rex]

If the Qun were not so blatantly a future enemy, perhaps I would roleplay a more tolerant canon Inquisitor.

Lol, I think the next game is gonna be the Qun's time to shine.

[Former_Fiend]

The DA game that forces us to fight the qun as the primary enemy of the game is the DA game I don't buy.

[MCG]

I don't see this 'blatantly' thing, I think the Qunari will be explored more-so in the future but I cannot see them being the centric of an entire game like the fade and mage vs templar war. I wouldn't mind, however, they are my preferred in-game race.

[Hellion Rex]

The DA game that forces us to fight the qun as the primary enemy of the game is the DA game I don't buy.

Not fighting against them. But I believe that a very big Qunari invasion is imminent.

[MCG]

Personally I wouldn't mind the Qunari dominating Thedas in the end, then maybe skip a couple hundred years and see them being the leading race of the world.

[Pierce Miller]

The DA game that forces us to fight the qun as the primary enemy of the game is the DA game I don't buy.

I honestly can't wait to fight the Qunari, they're one of my favourite enemies. I like to think of them as a respectable nemesis.

[Former_Fiend]

Not fighting against them. But I believe that a very big Qunari invasion is imminent.

 

I'm sure.

Still, I'm not particularly fond of the idea. I'm usually up for drastic changes in the status quo(I'm looking forward to various ways we can shake things up in Orlais come november), but I think the cold war state between the Qun and the Andrastian states is a fun and interesting aspect of the setting and I don't want to see the trigger pulled on that quite yet. 

 

So even if we got the option to pick sides, or if our mission was unrelated and just taking place during the invasion with the war acting as an obstacle, I wouldn't really be on board.

[Saberchic]

Today, Bull’s Chargers are famous mercenaries, fiercely loyal to the huge Qunari warrior who leads them into battles and taverns with equal enthusiasm. The Iron Bull still sends the Ben-Hassrath reports, but years of living outside Qunari rules have him wondering which identity is really him. Whoever he is, he’s more than happy to join the Inquisition and get paid to kill demons.

I don't think we'll have a huge problem with Iron Bull. I don't see why we should ask him to give up the Qun. In fact, it sounds from the description on his characters page that he may have some issues with it himself. He's not going to try to convert us. If he has intel and agents to help us, I don't see why he shouldn't be a part of our group.

[sandalisthemaker]

I don't think we'll have a huge problem with Iron Bull. I don't see why we should ask him to give up the Qun. In fact, it sounds from the description on his characters page that he may have some issues with it himself. He's not going to try to convert us. If he has intel and agents to help us, I don't see why he shouldn't be a part of our group.

 

I would like it to be an option available to the player.  You don't have to choose it.  But if you wisely see the Qun as the threat that it is, then you wouldn't necessarily be fine and dandy with the idea of a spy ( no matter how nice and friendly he may be ) in your midst feeding information, secrets, and potential weaknesses of the organization that you are building from the ground up, to those who would love to forcibly convert everyone to their way of life- or kill them if they resist. 

 

The choice should be there.

[Saberchic]

I would like it to be an option available to the player.  You don't have to choose it.  But if you wisely see the Qun as the threat that it is, then you wouldn't necessarily be fine and dandy with the idea of a spy ( no matter how nice and friendly he may be ) in your midst feeding information, secrets, and potential weaknesses of the organization that you are building from the ground up, to those who would love to forcibly convert everyone to their way of life- or kill them if they resist. 

 

The choice should be there.

I believe they already said it was a choice to not have him come along...just like Cole.

[sandalisthemaker]

I believe they already said it was a choice to not have him come along...just like Cole.

 

Yes, but I would actually like there to be more than that if I choose to recruit him initially. It would make for a very interesting story arch and potential crisis point.

[Former_Fiend]

I don't have any doubt that choosing to abandon or embrace the qun is going to be central to his personal arch.

 

Honestly I hope we have an option to essentially tell him, "Keep doing what you're doing, it's working out for you."

 

Because regardless of whether they're going to be enemies or not, I like a lot of the qun's tenets. Not the "sex only to reproduce" thing or the "cut out mage's tongues" thing, but there are several aspects that I'd like to cherry pick, and that I think Iron Bull should hold onto.

[Hellion Rex]

My only real issue with the Qun is their magic policy, which seriously needs to go out the window. That being said, I'd like the chance to discuss/debate the merits and weaknesses of the Qun, since Bull has a unique take on the whole situation.

[Saberchic]

Yes, but I would actually like there to be more than that if I choose to recruit him initially. It would make for a very interesting story arch and potential crisis point.

They also said that you could ****** off everyone in the party and be left with only the PC and one other person. As for getting to kill off everybody, I think they probably learned their lesson with Leliana in DAO. I would be very surprised if they let us kill off people we wanted to leave the party.

 

But I do think a crisis point involving his wavering belief in the Qun could be very interesting. I actually hope we get to have some conversations about it though I really really hope not all our convos get shaped around that though.

[HuldraDancer]

Okay guys haven't caught up to the thread yet but going to drop this here anyway. Had the oddest dream where I had the find the Iron Bull giant corks for his horns or else he couldn't progress through his romance with the Inquisitor unless a persuasion check was met and if it was he ended up getting stuck into the wall during the love scenes. My point is, I really need to stop skimming through these forums before bed   

[Nocte ad Mortem]

I would like Iron Bull's character much more if he could leave the Qun. I'll invite him along and explore all his dialog, but I could see it being a breaking point issue, for me. I definitely liked the concept more when we thought he was Tal-Vashoth. I really wanted to hear the mentality of a qunari that left the Qun. We already had Sten and Tallis to defend it. I think Iron Bull would be much more interesting as a character that ultimately decided to leave the Qun. It's just a way more interesting potential character arc, to me.

[MCG]

I think Iron Bull leaving the Qun will be a given, his lifestyle is already distancing from such, it'll probably be ultimately determined by his friendship/romance with the Inquisitor though.

[sandalisthemaker]

Anyway, Bull seems at least partially disillusioned with the Qun, so convincing him to renounce it completely will hopefully be possible. If there is the potential for that, then I would have no problem keeping him around, potentially romancing him, etc. It doesn't have to end in his death if he does decide to leave the Qun, but I would- for roleplaying reasons- like the option to kill him if he refuses to submit (from the standpoint that I described earlier:  he is a liability if he keeps giving the Qun info. Simply letting him leave does the Inquisition no good). 

 

If violence can be avoided by being able to convince him to leave the Qun (even better through a friendship path) then that would be fine too.

[PrayingMantis]

Bull is going to get his ass kicked, if another Ben-Hassrath finds out about him leaving the Qun. Or rather, someone will attempt to kick his ass. There have to be some consequences, at least.

[sandalisthemaker]

Bull is going to get his ass kicked, if another Ben-Hassrath finds out about him leaving the Qun. Or rather, someone will attempt to kick his ass. There have to be some consequences, at least.

 

And I would revel in protecting him from his *former* fellow Ben-Hassrath should they decide to lay a finger on a Bull that has renounced the Qun.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

I say let them come. It wouldn't be the first time I wiped out some poor saps that thought they were going to mess with one of my companions. Maybe they should think of their Arishok. 

[Chernaya]

I will be upset if there's no possibility of him cutting off all ties with the Qun (although I seriously doubt that's the case with what we know about him), but killing him for it just seems... I don't know, I could never do that. I could understand if he was actually a committed Qunari who tried to convert my companions or chain mages around him, but he's obviously not like that at all.