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[Master Warder Z_]

But is he a reaver? I thought I'd read we could choose our companions' specialization.

 

In the prior game we couldn't, and in the one before that they already came with one.

 

Perhaps it is similar to DAO.

[AresKeith]

But is he a reaver? I thought I'd read we could choose our companions' specialization.

 

Companions will have specializations based on their unique background

[Master Warder Z_]

Companions will have specializations based on their unique background

 

So same as DA 2

[AresKeith]

So same as DA 2

 

That's what I'm hoping, atleast for some of the Companions

[themageguy]

Companions will have specializations based on their unique background

I wonder if his tree will just incorporate reaver skills with a different 'flavor' or will he actually be a reaver. I just find it interesting what a qunari would think being a reaver.
i remember that sten in origins approved if you were to accept caladrius' offer that uses blood magic.

[Chari]

Maybe he doesn't have to return home one day.  If we draw the comparison that Weekes made to Christianity:  Would a holiday only Christian choose his/her faith over his/her love?  Maybe, but maybe not.  I think there is leeway for IB to either extend his time away (with no intention of ever returning) or flat out leaving the Qun altogether if he thinks it conflicts with something he cares about more. 

A christian not going to church very often doesn't make a person not-christian. Belief is a personal thing and does not necessarily require physically going anywhere. It's all in the mind, heart and soul. Giving anyone an ultimatium "choose either me or your faith/belief/country/culture/etc" is selfish. Not to mention there is something very messed up with wanting to change a person's religious beliefs by manipulating them emotionally with love and attraction... like, really? If you love a person, you accept them and their beliefs even if you disagree

Even if he will become a tal-vashoth/vashoth it doesn't mean he'll stop believeing in the Qun. He just won't follow it very strictly or only some parts of it. We already were told that while IB isn't here to convert anyone, he won't apologise for being a qunari. Even to our friendly get-along-with-everyone Varric

Whether IB returns to the Qunlands or stays in Thedas should be his and his only choice, not the PC's

[Milan92]

A christian not going to church very often doesn't make a person not-christian. Belief is a personal thing and does not necessarily require physically going anywhere. It's all in the mind, heart and soul. Giving anyone an ultimatium "choose either me or your faith/belief/country/culture/etc" is selfish. Not to mention there is something very messed up with wanting to change a person's religious beliefs by manipulating them emotionally with love and attraction... like, really? If you love a person, you accept them and their beliefs even if you disagree
Even if he will become a tal-vashoth/vashoth it doesn't mean he'll stop believeing in the Qun. He just won't follow it very strictly or only some parts of it. We already were told that while IB isn't here to convert anyone, he won't apologise for being a qunari. Even to our friendly get-along-with-everyone Varric
Whether IB returns to the Qunlands or stays in Thedas should be his and his only choice, not the PC's

One could argue that choosing some faith over a real person is selfish too.

[Shark17676]

I hope not, I really hope he can actually fight.

 

Oberyn was a pampered noble living off of past glories and hype.

 

When he met a real warrior the field, he was killed.

 

Pretty much this.

 

Don't get me wrong -- Gregor was a monster and got what he deserved in the end, but I still couldn't help but love the outcome of his duel with Oberyn; so often in fiction David triumphs over Goliath, written that way just because it's human nature to root for the underdog.  It was so refreshing to see a fight that actually showed that size and strength really do matter.  Sorry, all you Davids out there, but the bigger they are, the harder they hit.

 

Anyway, I digress.  Back to our regularly scheduled Iron Bull. 

[Rel Fexive]

( I've just finished watching series 3 of GoT, so thanks everyone )

[Chari]

One could argue that choosing some faith over a real person is selfish too.

Demanding that your lover/friend has to choose between a faith or you is selfish and cruel. Choosing is a matter of personal... choice and should stay that way. Manipulation and use of force physical or emotional to make someone do something just to fulfil your desires is truly wicked

[Aner91]

Demanding that your lover/friend has to choose between a faith or you is selfish and cruel. Choosing is a matter of personal... choice and should stay that way. Manipulation and use of force physical or emotional to make someone do something just to fulfil your desires is truly wicked

My younger brother had a girlfriend that tried to do this, i told her to **** off lol...(She is his ex girlfriend now, he broke it with her ).

[daveliam]

A christian not going to church very often doesn't make a person not-christian. Belief is a personal thing and does not necessarily require physically going anywhere. It's all in the mind, heart and soul. Giving anyone an ultimatium "choose either me or your faith/belief/country/culture/etc" is selfish. Not to mention there is something very messed up with wanting to change a person's religious beliefs by manipulating them emotionally with love and attraction... like, really? If you love a person, you accept them and their beliefs even if you disagree

Even if he will become a tal-vashoth/vashoth it doesn't mean he'll stop believeing in the Qun. He just won't follow it very strictly or only some parts of it. We already were told that while IB isn't here to convert anyone, he won't apologise for being a qunari. Even to our friendly get-along-with-everyone Varric

Whether IB returns to the Qunlands or stays in Thedas should be his and his only choice, not the PC's

 

Christianity isn't the best analogy for this because being Christian doesn't require the same level of commitment that being Qunari does.  What I mean by that is that a Christian can choose to believe in the tenets of Christianity but not actually engage in them whole-heartedly or actively worship.  It's like "christian-lite" in some ways.  I don't know if you can be "qunari-lite".  It seems like an "all or nothing" kind of religion.  So it seems more likely to cause this "choice" to have to happen between faith and love, since they can be directly in conflict.  I'd like to see this explored a bit, to be honest.

 

Demanding that your lover/friend has to choose between a faith or you is selfish and cruel. Choosing is a matter of personal... choice and should stay that way. Manipulation and use of force physical or emotional to make someone do something just to fulfil your desires is truly wicked

 

Where did I ever say that the PC will demand that IB leaves his religion?  Once again, it seems you love jumping to the most extreme example to make a point.  My words were all focused around Iron Bull making the choice, not the PC. 

[Former_Fiend]

Pretty much this.

 

Don't get me wrong -- Gregor was a monster and got what he deserved in the end, but I still couldn't help but love the outcome of his duel with Oberyn; so often in fiction David triumphs over Goliath, written that way just because it's human nature to root for the underdog.  It was so refreshing to see a fight that actually showed that size and strength really do matter.  Sorry, all you Davids out there, but the bigger they are, the harder they hit.

 

Anyway, I digress.  Back to our regularly scheduled Iron Bull. 

 

Except it really didn't. Master Warder Z's eye problems aside, Oberyn absolutely dominated that fight. Gregor only won because he got cocky at the end; Oberyn could have killed him at will once he took his legs out from under him.

 

Don't get me wrong, I do agree with the over-all sentiment that David beats Goliath far too often. One of the reasons I'm excited about playing a qunari and about Iron Bull being on the team is to have a huge, strong protagonist who actually knows how to fight and will actually win.

[Saberchic]

Christianity isn't the best analogy for this because being Christian doesn't require the same level of commitment that being Qunari does.  What I mean by that is that a Christian can choose to believe in the tenets of Christianity but not actually engage in them whole-heartedly or actively worship.  It's like "christian-lite" in some ways.  I don't know if you can be "qunari-lite".  It seems like an "all or nothing" kind of religion.  So it seems more likely to cause this "choice" to have to happen between faith and love, since they can be directly in conflict.  I'd like to see this explored a bit, to be honest.

No, I don't buy it. People can be "Qun-lite" too. There's nothing making him carry out the tenets of the Qun outside his country. Believing and participating in a religion is not an all or nothing condition. He can still believe in the principles but just not perform the practices. People do it all the time.

 

As for making him choose between you and the Qun, that is indeed incredibly selfish. Religion is part of someone; it helps shape their beliefs and, to some extent, their actions. Telling someone that if they want to be with you, they need to give up a part of who they are... I can't think of anything more selfish than that. I seriously hope Bull dumps anyone who tries to do that.

 

It doesn't mean that I think in order to romance him, you have to agree with the Qun. You can definitely have a discussion about it. But to actively try to make him change is like someone telling you, "You know, you're ok, but you could be better if you acted and thought what I wanted you to think. Then you would be good enough for me."

 

If the change happens on its own, that is one thing;  it would be his choice. If you basically try to force it on him (and by making him choose between the LI and his belief, it IS forcing him), that's a whole different messed up decision.

[Wulfram]

If you want to be my friend, you need to not be working for my enslavement.  You need to not deny my personhood, or that of my friends, or indeed anyone else.

[Chari]

Christianity isn't the best analogy for this because being Christian doesn't require the same level of commitment that being Qunari does.  What I mean by that is that a Christian can choose to believe in the tenets of Christianity but not actually engage in them whole-heartedly or actively worship.  It's like "christian-lite" in some ways.  I don't know if you can be "qunari-lite".  It seems like an "all or nothing" kind of religion.  So it seems more likely to cause this "choice" to have to happen between faith and love, since they can be directly in conflict.  I'd like to see this explored a bit, to be honest.

 

 

Where did I ever say that the PC will demand that IB leaves his religion?  Once again, it seems you love jumping to the most extreme example to make a point.  My words were all focused around Iron Bull making the choice, not the PC. 

The Qun does not destroy the concept of love, friendship and brother/sistership as far as we know. It's just diffirent, more strict. Even if IB is not strictly following every rule and is pretty lax about it it doesn't make him someone less of a qunari. Just a qunari-who-is-not-following-every-rule. 

Sten, for example, doesn't kill himself or Wynne even if according to the Qun he is probably "poisoned" already just cuz he talked to her. He accepts the female/or/and/mage Warden as an equal warrior. But he still is a qunari, even if some of his actions, choices and friendships probably go against the Qun very strongly 

Lots of religions and lots of philosophies are all-or-nothing, but hey, you can easily meet christians and muslims etc who are very flexible in their beliefs and, kind of like Lelianna, have their own little sets of ideas which go against the officially accepted verses

Making IB choose between the inquisitor and the qun (in IB's understanding) and forcing him to pick just one and leave the other one forever is cruel and pointless. Not to mention weird. The qun is part of IB's character... wanting to erase it (and having such a chance) is like... making IB not-IB... a completelly diffirent person

[CrimsonN7]

Except it really didn't. Master Warder Z's eye problems aside, Oberyn absolutely dominated that fight. Gregor only won because he got cocky at the end; Oberyn could have killed him at will once he took his legs out from under him.

 

 

Yup too much ELIAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA and posturing, he had him beat, foolish. Also it was done better in the books IMO.

[Chari]

If you want to be my friend, you need to not be working for my enslavement.  You need to not deny my personhood, or that of my friends, or indeed anyone else.

Then, I guess, you shouldn't be friends. It's that simple. Otherwise there will be but misery

I'm sure Iron Bull does not deny anyone's personhood. He is not responsible for his people, only for himself. And he accepts even Cole despite his personal misadventures with demons/spirits

[Wulfram]

Then, I guess, you shouldn't be friends. It's that simple. Otherwise there will be but misery

I'm sure Iron Bull does not deny anyone's personhood. He is not responsible for his people, only for himself. And he accepts even Cole despite his personal misadventures with demons/spirits

 

He's responsible for those he chooses to serve.  He can't work on behalf of evil and then wash his hands of the consequences.  That he knows the cause to be false does not make him less culpable, but more.

[Chari]

He's responsible for those he chooses to serve.  He can't work on behalf of evil and then wash his hands of the consequences.  That he knows the cause to be false does not make him less culpable, but more.

Oh. "Evil"

I see, you're one of qunari-haters? Then, I guess, you're definitelly not fit to be a friend of IB

[Former_Fiend]

Yup too much ELIAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA and posturing, he had him beat, foolish. Also it was done better in the books IMO.

 

I don't know. Scene in the books didn't really leave an impression on me, though I suppose that's partly because by that point in book 3 I was almost completely checked out of the series. 

 

Seen in the show was the second best fight scene they've done after Brienne vs Sandor.

[Rel Fexive]

*sigh* Too many spoilers, sweetie.

[SilentK]

Don't know if you guys have posted this comic a bunch of times already, if so I apologize. I just laughed so much when I saw it that I wanted to share.

 

 

Turns out that even the warden wants to #RideTheBull

 

linky: Manly Guys Doing Manly Things   (awesome comics, go read them!)

 

 

[Chari]

Don't know if you guys have posted this comic a bunch of times already, if so I apologize. I just laughed so much when I saw it that I wanted to share.

 

 

Turns out that even the warden wants to #RideTheBull

 

linky: Manly Guys Doing Manly Things   (awesome comics, go read them!)

It was published after Ib was announced and his interview became publich, but before they admitted his LI status 

 

Ah, Sten is prolly jealous, a bit XD

[Chernaya]

I dunno. I might just be looking at it from a different vantage point as a non-religious person, but I don't think Bull choosing himself to abandon the Qun would make him "not Iron Bull" anymore. He would be the same person, but just choosing a different path for himself. I do hope there's a possibility of him leaving the Qun, but I'm never going to tell him to do it himself, I want the decision to be his. Especially if I play as a mage who develops a relationship with him.