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[Kalyppso]

I just had to ask that, because I do see a lot of art that sexualizes and objectifies Iron Bull, and while I don't want it to bother me, it does.
 
I know, why am I looking at this art if it bothers me? Well, some of the best "fan art" artists who mostly create SFW art, also create risque-er pieces, and it's a little hard to avoid them completely.
 
I am attracted to his personality and his strength, hence he is my first choice romance. It's just a little weird for me, knowing in the back of my mind my character would eventually do the dirty with him in cyber space.

You don't have to support the Qun to want to pursue a chaste relationship with the Bull, but I wanted to start by bringing attention to the idea that I have a playthrough envisioned of a female elf rogue seeing the benefits the Qun has to offer and while being interested in Bull, also being interested in getting him to see the beauty and importance of Qunari values and wanting him to convert her and her to influence him. And omg do I hate the Qun, that'll be a hard playthrough. xD

Outside of that, the Bull is described as being libido personified, so it might be difficult to have a non-sexual relationship depending on how the game plays, but two things on this: 1. It was being discussed in the Cullen forum the other day that he might have a romance arc which can be complete without pursuing a sexual relationship (which I think is great representation, and would try that at least once), and maybe Bull would have such a romance arc too? 2. You can totally head-canon whatever you want. I'm sure rivalmanced Sebastian shared an impassioned kiss with his bride to be before facing off against the mages despite the Templar escort.

[CuriousArtemis]

Nope. The only Bioware LIs that are even remotely attractive to me are Kaidan, Alistair, and Fenris's voice. Zevran wasn't my type at all, and Fenris's physical attributes did nothing for me either.

 

Fenris' voice I like when he says, "Mm." Like when he's just thinking of something... it's so husky and gravelly. And so funny coming from such a pretty face!

[CuriousArtemis]

Outside of that, the Bull is described as being libido personified, so it might be difficult to have a non-sexual relationship depending on how the game plays

 

Just a reminder, Zevran also has that reputation, yet you can refuse sex with him and go through the entire romance arc! Don't judge a book by its cover (Which is what you suggested xD)

[CuriousArtemis]

I just had to ask that, because I do see a lot of art that sexualizes and objectifies Iron Bull, and while I don't want it to bother me, it does.

 

It doesn't bother me, but it's not my cup of tea, especially the silly stuff. I try not to let fan art influence how I see the characters, so I mostly avoid the character threads... not tonight I guess xD But every artist and fan is entitled to his/her interpretation of the character!

 

Probably the only DAI character I find personally attractive is Blackwall, but I can't look at sexy pics of him because that's like dangling a carrot in front of a donkey  LOOK AT WHAT YOU CAN'T HAVE AND WEEP 

[Hellion Rex]

Fenris' voice I like when he says, "Mm." Like when he's just thinking of something... it's so husky and gravelly. And so funny coming from such a pretty face!

Gideon Emery could read the phone book and it would do...things to me.

[Kalyppso]

Gideon Emery could read the phone book and it would do...things to me.

He voices a bunch of characters in The Elder Scrolls online and I wish I could do things to them... xD
Every other dark elf would have Fenris' voice and I'd be like D: let me love you!

Anywho, I think this is really interesting, and wonder if it just speaks about my personality, or speaks negatively about my personality, that I have thoroughly enjoyed the appearances of the male companions in DA. If we include the ladies, then I never played a straight dude to romance Morrigan, I'm not too excited about Sera, but expect she'll win me over, and even though she was available, I kind of viewed Isabela as my straight friend in the same way that Morrigan was in Origins.

Is it Bull's physique which has turned some of you away? Or something else? It wouldn't be that he is "alien" if you still like Maraas, CuriousArtemis, right? I'm speculating now. And rambling.

[Chernaya]

That kinda fanart doesn't bother me, heck I can even enjoy it, but I could never draw it myself. 

 

But hey, I completely understand what you mean. I think it's great you're still that interested in him even though you aren't attracted to him physically. I try to invest myself in characters I think I'll get along with/enjoy the attitude of more than ones I think are pretty, so I know how that is. I wasn't a bit attracted to Alistair the first time meeting him in Origins, but that all went to heck the more he opened his mouth and acted adorable. 

[Hellion Rex]

He voices a bunch of characters in The Elder Scrolls online and I wish I could do things to them... xD
Every other dark elf would have Fenris' voice and I'd be like D: let me love you!

Anywho, I think this is really interesting, and wonder if it just speaks about my personality, or speaks negatively about my personality, that I have thoroughly enjoyed the appearances of the male companions in DA. If we include the ladies, then I never played a straight dude to romance Morrigan, I'm not too excited about Sera, but expect she'll win me over, and even though she was available, I kind of viewed Isabela as my straight friend in the same way that Morrigan was in Origins.

Is it Bull's physique which has turned some of you away? Or something else? It wouldn't be that he is "alien" if you still like Maraas, CuriousArtemis, right? I'm speculating now. And rambling.

I don't think it speaks ill of you at all that you think the DA guys are hot. Hell, they're hotter than a lot of people in real life lol.

 

As for his physique, it certainly hasn't turned me away. It's nice that they gave us a really big guy this time for an LI, as it's really diversifying the body types. I love my guys big and beefy, so he's right up my alley.

[Chernaya]

Yeah, gotta admit my shallow side here and say I couldn't really ever make myself too attracted to Fenris or Zevran at all because I prefer guys with some muscle or at least not super thin. They grew on me as awesome characters though still. It's cool to have a companion with a completely unique body type.

[Hellion Rex]

As an added note, you should never feel weird or bad that you find certain things or people attractive, be they video game characters or people in real life. If anybody tells you otherwise, tell them to go screw themselves.

 

Edit: It's late, and so my internal spell check has left me for the night.

[Hellion Rex]

Yeah, gotta admit my shallow side here and say I couldn't really ever make myself too attracted to Fenris or Zevran at all because I prefer guys with some muscle or at least not super thin. They grew on me as awesome characters though still. It's cool to have a companion with a completely unique body type.

Same here, they just didn't really do it for me, outside of Fenris's voice. To me at least, of the options available to romance m/m in DA, Bull is the only who is remotely attractive to me.

[Chernaya]

Yeah, I can understand, the only f/f romance I've been actually attracted to is Isabela, not at all because of her oversexualization but because she has a curvier body type which is more my preference, adorable as Merrill was to me in a sisterly way. Bull is actually a bit bigger than what I'd prefer in reality but he's a game character so that's not a huge issue to me, plus he seems freaking awesome.

[Kalyppso]

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So I found this image of Iron Bull which I'm going to post at the end of this rant with like a ton of warnings for stupid reasons. The image may be nsfw, but really, it's just topless Bull, and I mean, he's been topless everywhere. I fell that the warnings would mostly be needed for people who cannot stand to view body fat, or hair, but he looks like a person, and the longing in his expression is great, imo. Also, fair warning that his nipples are pierced, if that sort of thing bothers anyone. It'll just be a link in spoilers because I posted an image of side boob semi-recently and got 1 warning point.
Maybe nsfw, maybe not your bag.

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Maybe nsfw, maybe not your bag.

But after seeing the image, I was really unsure about how I felt about it, whether I found it attractive or not. I think I just might have been shocked that he wasn't the standard image of strength that has been built into my brain, and that he was more World's Strongest Man in appearance. I've decided I like the image, though I wouldn't say it is sexy or sexual in nature ... just ... "human." If you know what I'm saying. I'm eager to see his in-game model for myself, because there were a few media releases where he did look like he had a warrior's gut, versus that first image we had of him from behind, in which I kind of remember of him looking lean in his huge muscles.

Back on topic (or off topic, I guess). If I ever feel bad about finding any particular feature or person attractive, it's only fleeting, but I appreciate the support that you've offered me and others through your words. (:

[Hellion Rex]

^I get what you mean, Mademon. I can't find it at the moment, there was a post someone made on Tumblr that depicted Iron Bull as having a more rounded body type, instead of being completely ripped like he is mostly depicted. Personally, he's gonna land somewhere in between the two, with a very obvious musculature and yet more rounded stomach on his in game model.

[trying_touch]

Is it Bull's physique which has turned some of you away? Or something else? It wouldn't be that he is "alien" if you still like Maraas, CuriousArtemis, right? 

 

While this question isn't directed to me, I do think that his aesthetics is a major reason I don't think he's sexually attractive. His face doesn't match his voice, and his arms are bigger than his legs...

[Chernaya]

Spoiler

So I found this image of Iron Bull which I'm going to post at the end of this rant with like a ton of warnings for stupid reasons. The image may be nsfw, but really, it's just topless Bull, and I mean, he's been topless everywhere. I fell that the warnings would mostly be needed for people who cannot stand to view body fat, or hair, but he looks like a person, and the longing in his expression is great, imo. Also, fair warning that his nipples are pierced, if that sort of thing bothers anyone. It'll just be a link in spoilers because I posted an image of side boob semi-recently and got 1 warning point.
Maybe nsfw, maybe not your bag.

Spoiler

link

Maybe nsfw, maybe not your bag.

But after seeing the image, I was really unsure about how I felt about it, whether I found it attractive or not. I think I just might have been shocked that he wasn't the standard image of strength that has been built into my brain, and that he was more World's Strongest Man in appearance. I've decided I like the image, though I wouldn't say it is sexy or sexual in nature ... just ... "human." If you know what I'm saying. I'm eager to see his in-game model for myself, because there were a few media releases where he did look like he had a warrior's gut, versus that first image we had of him from behind, in which I kind of remember of him looking lean in his huge muscles.

Back on topic (or off topic, I guess). If I ever feel bad about finding any particular feature or person attractive, it's only fleeting, but I appreciate the support that you've offered me and others through your words. (:

 

I quite like that artwork of him actually! It's always cool to see different artists renditions on characters. I certainly wouldn't enjoy him any less if he wasn't a perfect hunk of muscle, I think it's pretty neat when the internet is already full of 'perfect' imaginings of the characters. imperfections do make characters more relatable, I think.

[Kalyppso]

While this question isn't directed to me, I do think that his aesthetics is a major reason I don't think he's sexually attractive. His face doesn't match his voice, and his arms are bigger than his legs...

The question was actually meant to be open, but the clarification on it not being about being qunari was for Artemis because I wasn't sure if it applied to you, trying. (:

Others were saying they had a hard time hearing Iron Bull and not FPJ earlier, and when they gave it another try with their eyes closed and then looking at IB instead, they found this helped. Maybe that will or won't for you, but it might also be that alpha / beta facial animations they were using in the cutscene they were showing off. Otherwise, you're entitled to that opinion, I was trying to be helpful but am worried I came off preachy. I'm not trying to change your mind, just ... gah.

As for his arms to legs ratio. That statement made me giggle. It reminded me of this guy on the bus who I thought was good looking until I saw his legs and realized I could wrap my puny hand around his ankle. I felt Bull looked balanced, but am not always sensitive to chicken legs. I'll keep an eye out for it, because I'm curious and don't expect it to influence my gameplay experience. He's a picture of chicken-legged Hugh Jackman for your amusement / disgust. d: But generally people aren't balanced, this is a completely acceptable reason to find anyone unattractive though. xD

Thank you for satisfying my curiosity!

[Cat Fancy]

IB's still my preferred LI for now, but I wonder if(/hope) there's a particularly compelling reason to recruit him into the Inquisition, aside from the fact that you can. He's the only companion, based on what I know, who I'd feel obliged to refuse* to have along. Let a member of the fantasy-Gestapo collect information for his expansionist, totalitarian empire? Why?? Like I said, I hope there's a pretty okay reason for having him along at first, like with Anders and the Deep Roads map or whatever. (once he's in, of course, my Tal-Vashoth Inquisitor will deconvert Bull with the power of Love + a righteous and fanatical commitment to a liberal capitalist order)

 

If there isn't one, I hope most of the other companions are revealed to be kind of horrible people in short order so I don't feel like I can afford to be too discriminating. Like in Origins.

 

*but won't, anyway, duh

[Kalyppso]

IB's still my preferred LI for now, but I wonder if(/hope) there's a particularly compelling reason to recruit him into the Inquisition, aside from the fact that you can. He's the only companion, based on what I know, who I'd feel obliged to refuse* to have along. Let a member of the fantasy-Gestapo collect information for his expansionist, totalitarian empire? Why?? Like I said, I hope there's a pretty okay reason for having him along at first, like with Anders and the Deep Roads map or whatever. (once he's in, of course, my Tal-Vashoth Inquisitor will deconvert Bull with the power of Love + a righteous and fanatical commitment to a liberal capitalist order)
 
If there isn't one, I hope most of the other companions are revealed to be kind of horrible people in short order so I don't feel like I can afford to be too discriminating. Like in Origins.
 
*but won't, anyway, duh

My first playthrough is going to say No to Bull if there is that option, and from there I'll know if that's enough for him to be like: well then I'm not a companion, so that I can gauge whether I want to ever do that again // never do that again. I'd be surprised that you couldn't see reasons to not accept the elves (racism or a lack of trust for mercenaries (depending on your background)), or Dorian (the Imperium has as much drama as the Qun); but I completely see what you mean about Bull and how they've implied he'd join the party.

What do you mean about the Origins companions being horrible people?

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[Cat Fancy]

I'd be surprised that you couldn't see reasons to not accept the elves (racism or a lack of trust for mercenaries (depending on your background)), or Dorian (the Imperium has as much drama as the Qun); but I completely see what you mean about Bull and how they've implied he'd join the party.

What do you mean about the Origins companions being horrible people?
 

I see reasons not to accept them for other people/Inquisitors, of course. I was just talking about my self-insert Tal-Vashoth Inquisitor.

 

I wouldn't say that most Origins characters were horrible people, but enough were (for me, Zevran, Sten, Morrigan, possibly Leliana) that I felt the game would be a lot emptier if I got choosy. I still don't think there's a good reason for my Wardens to recruit Zevran and Sten, but they always do anyway.

[Kalyppso]

I see reasons not to accept them for other people/Inquisitors, of course. I was just talking about my self-insert Tal-Vashoth Inquisitor.
 
I wouldn't say that most Origins characters were horrible people, but enough were (for me, Zevran, Sten, Morrigan, possibly Leliana) that I felt the game would be a lot emptier if I got choosy. I still don't think there's a good reason for my Wardens to recruit Zevran and Sten, but they always do anyway.

Ah. My mistake. (:

Sten's ptsd is something I can really sympathize with (and any cultural differences seem moot points considering how much his opposition meant overall), but I can completely agree with Zevran. It felt organic while playing the game, as it is a game, but if I ever took a step back, I don't know why you'd even give him an iota of trust to begin with. Now I love him and appreciate his dedication to a romanced Warden more than I appreciate Alistair's dedication to his morals, which is probably very selfish of me - but what're you gonna do? d:

Anyway, coming back to it, I think you'll be safe in assuming the other characters have horrible secrets / faults / pasts. Wardens always have hard decisions, Cole is ambiguity, Sera seems similar to Leliana if you have the ex-laysister on your list, Solas is old enough to have a past, Varric might have red-lyrium, and then who knows what Vivienne may have done to stay in good graces in an Orlesian court? Bull can't be the only one to perform actions the average person would find questionable.

[Kierro Ren]

I only read page 1 and 278, so I was too lazy to read all 277 if mentioned. But, Bull isn't a Tal-Vashoth per se. He's still loyal to the Qun, but he does stretch the border. If the Ben-Hassrath found out what he's been doing, he'd have to be re-educated.

 

Your inquisitor can't be a Tal-Vashoth either, despite RP, because s/he never was born in the Qun. S/he's a Vashoth - Grey Ones, one born outside the Qun, and who's redeemable. Meaning, your Qunari could likely join the Qun. (HA never)

 

It's possible you could turn Bull into a Tal-Vashoth, likely should you romance him. But that's yet to be known. I know for a fact tho, Kierro and Bull are romancing  . Kierro will show Bull, life can be so much better.

[Cat Fancy]

They describe the Inquisitor as Tal-Vashoth right here. I'm going to go ahead and keep calling my Inquisitor that because it has more syllables and connotes a decided rejection of the Qun, regardless of whether or not my character was ever Qunari. Try and stop me! It can't be done; I'm a monster.

 

I feel the odds are very good that the Inquisitor can dequnvert the Bull. He sounds like one Qonflicted Qunari Qounterterrorist.

[Yinello]

Is it weird that I want to romance Iron Bull without finding him sexually attractive? 

 

Absolutely not as I am the same! For some reason I can totally imagine me flirting and cuddling with him but actual sex is off the table. My mind is picky like that. I might change my mind over time and if I don't, I'm okay with that too. I get a bit weirded out when I see people posting their (often good looking) sex drawings of their quizzies and IB because it's hard for me to visualize it.

[Yinello]

 

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dwarves and Iron Bull romances scene must be something kinda epic... ^^

 

Ryan Treadwell ‏@Ryan_Treadwell

Epic is the right word.