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I just fell in love with this post on this blog :wub:

 

http://sonnidesoto.b...ea73bc6df3662f1

 

Also the way she describes Bull's mance with Quizzy is <3

 

(Also god I agree with her about Dorian. I was wondering why I started disliking him after hearing those banters and now I know why. That said Bull still screwed up not giving safeword first. But one would assume for the first time safeword was obviously stop).


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I just fell in love with this post on this blog :wub:

 

http://sonnidesoto.b...ea73bc6df3662f1

 

Also the way she describes Bull's mance with Quizzy is <3

 

(Also god I agree with her about Dorian. I was wondering why I started disliking him after hearing those banters and now I know why. That said Bull still screwed up not giving safeword first. But one would assume for the first time safeword was obviously stop).

 

That was a beautiful post and I really enjoyed reading it. It pretty much sums up all my opinions and feelings perfectly, and puts them in a much better way than I could because I just get frustrated that people are so unwilling to be reasonable that I give up on them.

 

Head canon that their first time had training wheels. Bull's character fits it, he would have stopped if the inquisitor said "stop" and he would have probably been checking in the entire time anyways. That's how he works. You can take what you know about the character and apply it and the end result is a pretty good one. An oversight on Bioware's part, but they probably didn't expect people to be so critical of BDSM and kinky relationships that they'd care. Bioware assumed their fans would be as accepting of kinksters as they are everything else. We saw how that worked out. ><

 

After that? I have to agree about Dorian. His romance with the Inquisitor seems sweet. But a romance with the Inquisitor is something anyone would write home to brag about. Dorian flaunts it because he's shagging the boss. He wants people to be jealous of him and wants to boost his ego, and of course the Inquisitor provides that no problem. How he deals with Bull is much more telling of his character.

 

I'm still gonna someday romance Dorian and give him a chance though, he is Tevinter through and through. Being an ass is in his blood, lol.

 

But Bull will always be the one. ♥


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I just fell in love with this post on this blog :wub:

http://sonnidesoto.b...ea73bc6df3662f1

Also the way she describes Bull's mance with Quizzy is <3

(Also god I agree with her about Dorian. I was wondering why I started disliking him after hearing those banters and now I know why. That said Bull still screwed up not giving safeword first. But one would assume for the first time safeword was obviously stop).

A good blog post. I agree with what she says about Bull in general, but disagree about her views on Adoribull.
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That was a beautiful post and I really enjoyed reading it. It pretty much sums up all my opinions and feelings perfectly, and puts them in a much better way than I could because I just get frustrated that people are so unwilling to be reasonable that I give up on them.

 

Head canon that their first time had training wheels. Bull's character fits it, he would have stopped if the inquisitor said "stop" and he would have probably been checking in the entire time anyways. That's how he works. You can take what you know about the character and apply it and the end result is a pretty good one. An oversight on Bioware's part, but they probably didn't expect people to be so critical of BDSM and kinky relationships that they'd care. Bioware assumed their fans would be as accepting of kinksters as they are everything else. We saw how that worked out. ><

 

After that? I have to agree about Dorian. His romance with the Inquisitor seems sweet. But a romance with the Inquisitor is something anyone would write home to brag about. Dorian flaunts it because he's shagging the boss. He wants people to be jealous of him and wants to boost his ego, and of course the Inquisitor provides that no problem. How he deals with Bull is much more telling of his character.

 

I'm still gonna someday romance Dorian and give him a chance though, he is Tevinter through and through. Being an ass is in his blood, lol.

 

But Bull will always be the one. ♥

 

XD I think we've all be there.

 

:lol: now the temptation to write a fic where quizzy pretty much screams in frustration at the constant "Are you sure?" is upon me. But BW fanbase? Accepting? Nevah.

 

Well Dorian has his good points. He didn't want quizzy's rep dragged through the muck via the rumors so he's not that bad for a Tevinter. But yeah I'm not fond of him on the whole no. Which is weird because I like Vivienne just fine? I dunno. I guess it's because Vivi's not woobiefied by the boards.

 

I romanced him it was sweet enough (also the booty did glow) but I ended up reloading a five hour old save to romance Josephine (since Bull's was already dead :crying: ) . It left a weird taste in my mouth.

 

But yes Bull :wub:



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I'm willing to accept that Dorian makes up for his jerk-ness in public with lots of love and affection in private, where he feels like he won't be judged for being enthralled by our sexy Bull.

 

He'd better, at least. >:| Bull deserves someone who actually appreciates him and makes him happy. :wub:



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A good blog post. I agree with what she says about Bull in general, but disagree about her views on Adoribull.

 

That's fair ^_^

 

(Also I might not like it but best ship name really. Most of the ships I support get stupid names like Puppyshipping or Puzzleshipping or Snarry or Dramione)

 

Wait no. Wincest is also a good name.

 

*cackles*

 

I'm willing to accept that Dorian makes up for his jerk-ness in public with lots of love and affection in private, where he feels like he won't be judged for being enthralled by our sexy Bull.

 

He'd better, at least. >:| Bull deserves someone who actually appreciates him and makes him happy. :wub:

 

I'd assume so given how fond Bull sounds of him. I'd hope that wouldn't come from nowhere.

 

Tsunderes.

 

But Fenris at least did the whole tsun tsun thing better for me.
 



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Yes, I listen to their banter and I can just hear the "B-baka! I d-don't actually want you to k-kiss me! *blush*" It's much easier to just accept that Dorian is tsundere and not the far more sinister option that the article brought out, because that really does raise my hackles a surprising amount. Man, to be so protective of a video game character! Feels silly, but I also feel like Bull represents what my very significant other strives to be every day, so I guess I'm just extra protective because of that. ^_^



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Yes, I listen to their banter and I can just hear the "B-baka! I d-don't actually want you to k-kiss me! *blush*" It's much easier to just accept that Dorian is tsundere and not the far more sinister option that the article brought out, because that really does raise my hackles a surprising amount. Man, to be so protective of a video game character! Feels silly, but I also feel like Bull represents what my very significant other strives to be every day, so I guess I'm just extra protective because of that. ^_^

 

It raised mine too. No one likes being the dirty little secret but yeah I kind of think it's a mix of both. (I half wish it was an option with Dorian to see his reaction to see if he's as hypocritical as I think but alas).

 

I probably would've just taken the tsun viewpoint if not for that Bull is abusive nonsense. :rolleyes: That got me sideyeing most of their banter and the one I saw looking bad from that was Dorian. But I was never in support of their romance being healthy. It doesn't seem like it is at all.

 

BUT YES. *readies daggers* I shall defend my husbando to the death.

 

(That said I at least wish we could ask him what happened to his fingers and legs. There's a story there and I want to hear it :( )



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I will just think that the Inquisitor is the one for Bull, and Dorian can go find some high class guy to snog that makes him feel like he's king of the world. Over time, who knows, maybe their relationship would improve and get better. If anyone can smooth out issues and make things work, it's Bull. But Dorian doesn't get that lucky from me, because Bull is MINEEEeeee. ♥

 

I get such conflicted information on whether or not he has all his fingers! The dev's said in a tweet that there were nothing missing, and I haven't really been able to figure out one way or another. The tarot card looks like some of his fingers are missing, but if that's just an off thing? Wut?



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I will just think that the Inquisitor is the one for Bull, and Dorian can go find some high class guy to snog that makes him feel like he's king of the world. Over time, who knows, maybe their relationship would improve and get better. If anyone can smooth out issues and make things work, it's Bull. But Dorian doesn't get that lucky from me, because Bull is MINEEEeeee. ♥

 

I get such conflicted information on whether or not he has all his fingers! The dev's said in a tweet that there were nothing missing, and I haven't really been able to figure out one way or another. The tarot card looks like some of his fingers are missing, but if that's just an off thing? Wut?

 

XD my exact view on FenrisxIsabela

 

(also I hissed like an angry cat whenever someone said she was healthier for him than Hawke. No just...no.)

 

Wait they said nothing was missing? But his model...

 

http://libbabink.tum...missing-fingers

 

They're not completely gone but chunks aren't there.



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I read this, and thought that it was all just speculation off the tarot card.

 

HOW DID I MISS THESE DETAILS WHEN I WAS EYE-MOLESTING HIS MODEL IN GAME?

...

 

I MUST LEAVE WORK AND GO HOME TO EYE-MOLEST BULL MORE CLOSELY! D:

 

And incorporate this into my writingz!


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First off, a disclaimer: the following musings are my own and purely about gameplay. I like Bull as a character and others, veeia for instance, are far better at analyzing characters than me.

 

- Kill those Snowfleurs and Lurkers. Bull has the odd distinction of being both a warrior and glass cannon who gains greatly from being able to dish out critical hits.

Because of this he's better suited to wearing crafted rogue armour and weapons with multiple utility or offense leather slots (Sturdy Prowler Armour being the best in this regard).

Snowfleur skins allow him to wear rogue armour and Lurkers raise Cunning, which indirectly raise critical chance and ranged defence on arm and leg armour pieces.

 

- Ignore active Two Hander talents. For one, they can only detonate off of Paralyse but the biggest problem is that they aren't worth the stamina cost. Block and Slash however should be upgraded as soon as possible and set to preferred on the tactics menu and make a beeline for Flow of Battle which lowers cooldown times by a second with each critical hit.

 

- Turn the Blade and Turn the Bolt from the Weapon and Shield tree should help Bull survive a lot longer.

 

- DO NOT LET AI USE REAVER TALENTS. Much like Knight Enchanter and Assassin, AI sucks at using Reaver talents properly.

 

- Varric or an Artificer Inquisitor make the perfect partners in crime. I say this in part because I'm biased and my elven bull rider is an Artificer but mostly because they have a passive that raises crit chance as well as access to the best crowd control skill in the game, Elemental Mines (provided you have the right passives, Looked Like It Hurt, Opportunity Knocks and Cheap Shot being the big ones, and good crit chance),

The reason I say it's the best CC skill under those conditions is because they become spammable, have no friendly fire and sunder armour as well as being capable of poisoning enemies if you have Poisoned Weapons.

 

- Get Combat Roll and set it to preferred.

 

And once again, another disclaimer: these are things that worked for my Bull riding elf and may or may not work for you but I find that with Bull and Varric things seem to die much faster.

 

Just my two cents.


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I'm confused.


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I read this, and thought that it was all just speculation off the tarot card.

 

HOW DID I MISS THESE DETAILS WHEN I WAS EYE-MOLESTING HIS MODEL IN GAME?

...

 

I MUST LEAVE WORK AND GO HOME TO EYE-MOLEST BULL MORE CLOSELY! D:

 

And incorporate this into my writingz!

 

This is something I still find weird and have no answer to tbh. If you look at Bull's model out on the field he's clearly missing a few fingertips on his left hand, there's no doubt about it. So I took this as some lighthearted trolling from the devs. Then again, in some other instances in-game it appears his hands are normal. I just dunno anymore. XD I'm sticking with he is indeed missing some fingers because it's more than just coincidence it happens in the artwork and the game. 



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I'm confused.

It's been a long week and I'm tired so no wonder it doesn't make sense.  :D

 

As my elf is romancing him, I've been trying to make him useful on Nightmare and that was what worked for me. I really, really shouldn't try to write this s*** on a few hours sleep.  :lol:

 

Might come back to this when I'm not tired or just delete this s*** altogether Either way I seriously need to sleep.


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Well I'm kinda bummed... I came here because I'm romancing Bull this playthrough and really enjoying him, and wanted to talk about him. But the whole last page of this thread is pretty much just Dorian hate, and I love Dorian too. :( Guess I'll just scoot on outta here.



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It's been a long week and I'm tired so no wonder it doesn't make sense.  :D

 

As my elf is romancing him, I've been trying to make him useful on Nightmare and that was what worked for me. I really, really shouldn't try to write this s*** on a few hours sleep.  :lol:

 

Might come back to this when I'm not tired or just delete this s*** altogether Either way I seriously need to sleep.

 

Don't delete it! I was planning to use it for building him on my next file. XD I'm bad at that stuff so I appreciate your advice lol


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Well I'm kinda bummed... I came here because I'm romancing Bull this playthrough and really enjoying him, and wanted to talk about him. But the whole last page of this thread is pretty much just Dorian hate, and I love Dorian too. :( Guess I'll just scoot on outta here.

 

No! Most of us in here are adoribull defenders! I know how you feel though, that's the same reason I avoid the Dorian thread despite loving him. So I can't blame ya, but just want you to know there are plenty Dorian fans in here. ^_^


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Well I'm kinda bummed... I came here because I'm romancing Bull this playthrough and really enjoying him, and wanted to talk about him. But the whole last page of this thread is pretty much just Dorian hate, and I love Dorian too. :( Guess I'll just scoot on outta here.

Nonono!!! Come back! I freaking love Dorian!!!!! All are welcome here!
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After that? I have to agree about Dorian. His romance with the Inquisitor seems sweet. But a romance with the Inquisitor is something anyone would write home to brag about. Dorian flaunts it because he's shagging the boss. He wants people to be jealous of him and wants to boost his ego, and of course the Inquisitor provides that no problem. How he deals with Bull is much more telling of his character.

I'm still gonna someday romance Dorian and give him a chance though, he is Tevinter through and through. Being an ass is in his blood, lol.

But Bull will always be the one. ♥

I disagree entirely. Dorian's romance was extremely sweet and well done.
And I find rather weird to insinuate that he's an ******* just because "it's in his blood".

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Well I'm kinda bummed... I came here because I'm romancing Bull this playthrough and really enjoying him, and wanted to talk about him. But the whole last page of this thread is pretty much just Dorian hate, and I love Dorian too. :( Guess I'll just scoot on outta here.

 

Nah that's just me being bitter. There's plenty of Dorian fans here <3



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I think the wounds still sting from that dorian/bull debate... and some people might still feel a little defensive, but I've seen more Dorian love than hate in here. Heck, we were just talking about his glorious sparkling booty a couple pages back. :P



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This is something I still find weird and have no answer to tbh. If you look at Bull's model out on the field he's clearly missing a few fingertips on his left hand, there's no doubt about it. So I took this as some lighthearted trolling from the devs. Then again, in some other instances in-game it appears his hands are normal. I just dunno anymore. XD I'm sticking with he is indeed missing some fingers because it's more than just coincidence it happens in the artwork and the game. 

 

Probably the same thing that plagues the missing tats.

It's weird Bull has model issues. Almost makes me think something was supposed to happen to him mid game but it ended up being cut content.

 

 

It's been a long week and I'm tired so no wonder it doesn't make sense.  :D

 

As my elf is romancing him, I've been trying to make him useful on Nightmare and that was what worked for me. I really, really shouldn't try to write this s*** on a few hours sleep.  :lol:

 

Might come back to this when I'm not tired or just delete this s*** altogether Either way I seriously need to sleep.

 

WAIT NO

 

Don't delete. I just started a nightmare playthrough. This shall be useful now.


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......I hate Dorian......because he tries to steal my man!!! Also I do hate how the AI can't use the reaver tree that well. It is just so annoying!

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......I hate Dorian......because he tries to steal my man!!! Also I do hate how the AI can't use the reaver tree that well. It is just so annoying!

That's only if you don't romance either of them........