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[Hellion Rex]

I NEED THIS PHONE CASE LIKE I NEED AIR.

[Joe25]

LET THE BULL DEATH FIC BEGIN!

I like my steak medium well. How would you like yours?

[Qun00]

About the beating fear with a stick scene.

When I did it with my female qunari it felt natural because, well, she obviously can hit harder than Cassandra.

But let's say you're romancing the Iron Bull as an elf. There's no way he would feel anything. It really would look like he's just being nice, lol

[Sui Causa]

Yeah, when my male Lavellan beats Iron Bull, it's just amusing as hell. You can talk him through it instead, you take a dissaproval hit up front, but you can make it back if you pick the right options. At the end, he just growls and is all ">:| You should have just hit me." And stalks off.

 

Of course, I'd rather tease him about liking it rough, so it's a tough choice!

[Hellion Rex]

http://inklie.tumblr.com/

[ZerioctheTank]

http://inklie.tumblr.com/

I absolutely love that! Its perfect! Pity this isn't in game.

[Hellion Rex]

I just love the absolute joy that's on Cole's face.

[Cypher0020]

Awwwww suchh art

 

I really really really want to see some Bull/Cole cute fanart, I love it when eh calls Cole 'his squirrelly kid'

[Sui Causa]

You're supposed to be dead

 

I reallllly need to write some kind of drabble about this some day. At this stage of the game, I imagine Bull and the Inquisitor forming an easy friendship, skirting around something more. Inquisitor flirting up a storm, Bull gently redirecting each time. When the Inquisitor dies, the chaos that follows is easy to get lost in, no time to grieve. But once they've lost, locked in a cell waiting to die, there's plenty of time for a thousand regrets.

 

Gah, There's no happy ending for this Iron Bull, and he knows it. ;w;

 

INSTEAD, I WRITE PORN.

HAPPY,  KINKY PORN.

[Ryzaki]

ewww mage quest.

 

Ewww time travel.

 

God I hate In Hushed Whispers so much.

[ZerioctheTank]

ewww mage quest.

Ewww time travel.

God I hate In Hushed Whispers so much.

If I won't let my little nightingale go through all that torturw there is no way the big guy is dealing with any of that too.

[denise12184]

 

You're supposed to be dead

 

I reallllly need to write some kind of drabble about this some day. At this stage of the game, I imagine Bull and the Inquisitor forming an easy friendship, skirting around something more. Inquisitor flirting up a storm, Bull gently redirecting each time. When the Inquisitor dies, the chaos that follows is easy to get lost in, no time to grieve. But once they've lost, locked in a cell waiting to die, there's plenty of time for a thousand regrets.

 

Gah, There's no happy ending for this Iron Bull, and he knows it. ;w;

 

INSTEAD, I WRITE PORN.

HAPPY,  KINKY PORN.

 

That is the reason I normally side with the mages...It just hurts so much, but in a good way because you know you can fix it. (And Alexius, in my opinion, is a far more sympathetic character, even as a villain, than Denam.)

[Hellion Rex]

Meh. I don't even consider Alexius a villain. But if the two quests, the Templar side has Barris and Envy, both of whom were better than Fiona and Alexius. The amount of stupid that Fiona was selling irritated me to no end.

[denise12184]

Meh. I don't even consider Alexius a villain. But if the two quests, the Templar side has Barris and Envy, both of whom were better than Fiona and Alexius. The amount of stupid that Fiona was selling irritated me to no end.

Oh, agreed on Fiona. She is absolutely the *worst* thing about siding with the mages. Which is sad, considering who she is in the books. Too bad there was no option to make the mages choose a new Grand Enchanter.

 

Honestly, I like both quests, and choosing which one to do for a new playthrough takes me longer than it probably should. But there is something in Hushed Whispers that makes the whole Corypheus threat seem more dire for me. Maybe it's the vast number of side quests you can do before touching the main quest, but a lot of the game, he just seems to be off in the background somewhere. You know, politely waiting while you gather every last piece of elfroot in the Hinterlands and screw around rescuing possessed rams and lost druffalo.

[Sui Causa]

Yeah, I can't not go to Redcliffe in my game. And if you go to Redcliffe and talk to Dorian and the like, it just feels really really...bad to go to the templars afterwards. Idk. I did my templar playthrough, and while the Cole-sequence was pretty awesome, I just didn't like it near as much.

 

Plus, In Hushed Whispers hurts so good, because the Iron Bull is dieing of Red Lyrium ;_; feels always get me. And I always decide I need to write a short for it and then get instagibbed by all the other porn I need to write for him first. Just overall, it has a lot more feels and desperation than I get out of the templars.

 

I always conscript the mages, because REALLY, YOU ALLIED WITH A TEVINTER MAGISTER, DO YOU THINK I WILL TRUST YOU EVER? And then Iron Bull approves +++. But he wants me to ally with the templars, and hell I trust those guys even less than the mages. At least you can just hate Fiona and most of the mages were just victims. All those templars saw what was happening and allowed it. Their job is to root out demonic possession, and instead they were blindly following a dude who was demon possessed. Cmon guys, really? Apparently all that repeating the chant of light while staring at a melting candle is the path to enlightenment you make it out to be.

 

Calpernia is a lot more interesting than Samson, though. So I enjoy finding stuff out about her in my templar playthrough. (Which I've never finished, it's also my Dorianmance playthrough...sorry babe but I need to ride the Bull.)

[Ryzaki]

Nah I use this amazing post as justification for always siding with the templars

 

Spoiler

 

This was a tough choice. Historically, I've always sided with the mages, as they were just victims in the first game and mostly innocent in the second. I'm not fond of how Templars abuse their power, especially, after they up and walked out on the Chantry. Yeah, way to represent the Maker by dismissing his Most Holy, guys. I was ready to side with the mages the moment I started the game.

 

But right off the bat, the Templars sounded like better allies. The first thing your advisors say is that the mages can probably supercharge you with magic to counter the rift, while the Templars can hit it with anti-magic and shrink it down enough for you to close it. That's not really a hard choice. We're dealing with raw, unstable magic that no one has seen before, and you want to pump my body with a ton of magic to hopefully counter it? I'm trying to close the damn thing, not get into an arms race with it. I'd much prefer to contain it as much as possible.

 

Two, we are fighting demons and weird magic. Who is trained to fight demons and weird magic? Templars. Who is vulnerable to demonic possession and weird magic? Mages. I mean, the Chevaliers are good in a fight, but when you need to fight Darkspawn, you don't go running to them. Plus, we have already seen what happens to mages in areas where the veil is thin, so marching an army of them right up to a massive tear does seem like a pretty stupid thing to do.

 

Three, Eric Trevelyan was a good Chantry boy who had always heard about the heroism and nobility of the Templars. He would probably have joined them, had fate not had other plans. From a pure roleplaying perspective, he would be much more likely to back the straightforward, pragmatic Templars than rebellious mages.

 

But all that being said, I was very unimpressed with their debut in Val Royeaux. Casually smacking an old woman is not cool. I was weirded out when I heard that the Lord Seeker had changed his personality almost completely, and all in all, I didn't feel like wading into their self-righteous piety and ludicrous priorities. While leaving the city, Fiona's offer seemed much better.

 

But when I got to Redcliffe to make the alliance, you know what I found? The mages have signed up with the goddamn Tevinters! Oh wait, did I say "signed up"? I really meant "willingly sold themselves into slavery"! You know, to the Tevinter Imperium, the go-to cautionary tale for all magical corruption. The place filled with so much blood magic, demons, maleficar, and slaves that mages would call it ridiculously overblown Chantry propaganda if it didn't actually exist! Oh, and it turns out, I never met the real Fiona, that was some crazy doppelganger or something, no one seems to really know.

 

Oh, but it's not that bad, the Magister's son says he is secretly working with another Magister against his father. He's discovered weird time magic, and taken over a massive impenetrable fortress. All I have to do is trust this random Tevinter, walk alone and unarmed into the single most defensible location in all of Ferelden, while sending my spymaster and her best agents into the lion's den through a dodgy secret passage that may or may not exist. And the Tevinters may or may not know about it. All for a few hundred mages so stupid they actually allied with Tevinter, as I can't emphasize that enough. So they can join the Inquisition and slam my fragile mortal body with an unbelievable amount of magic, hoping it won't kill me or trigger something or react violently or Maker knows what else. And if I survive that, they can go on to fight demons, an enemy they are famously susceptible too, and frighten all the common people of Orlais and Ferelden.

 

That's a bad plan, to put it mildly. Risk vs. reward was skewed so far I just couldn't justify it. So I sided with the Templars, and didn't look back.

 

Spoiler'd because it's massive XD

[denise12184]

If I decide to go templar, I don't meet with the mages first. Similar to what qw12 said,  I just can't justify putting the templars above the crap going on in Redcliffe. And Fiona mentions children among the mages. I can't just abandon kids because the people in charge of them are idiots. Fiona basically sold them into slavery. Unknowingly, sure, but if the twit had a functioning braincell, the consequences of making deals with Tevinter magisters ought to be obvious.

 

I ally with the mages, though. Figure people can only be trusted if they have the chance to be, and forcing them seems like a straight shot to another rebellion. I also need to keep Solas happy. I think he might own my soul now. 

[Sui Causa]

I'm also a little biased because I play a mage Lavellan, which has a pretty huge impact on my choices too. He's been raised his entire life to avoid the templars because they are assholes that think if you aren't on their leash then you need to be gutted. So I don't think he'd be all that willing to go walking into their midst or help them whatsoever. So I just play it out as I go to Redcliffe, talk to Dorian, and ...yeah. At that point, you can't walk away from it. (I'd ally with the mages if you could remove Fiona from the picture. If she's leading, I just don't trust her judgement at all.)

 

If I was playing a good little chantry human non-mage, then I'd never go to Redcliffe and beeline straight for the templars, yeah. But that's the only instance it'd make sense in for me.

 

You can say that templars know how to fight demons and stuff like that, but lets just point out here that mages deal with the crap that happens in Therinfall Redoubt all the time. They know how to deal with the demon threat face because they deal with it every time they go to sleep. The weak mages fall to it yes, but that's why you take the best and strongest mages to the breach. The templars didn't notice a demon in their midst controlling them either, so the "these guys are trained and therefore are the absolute best mages are worthless against this threat!" argument is a little iffy.

 

I think it's pretty straight down the middle, either side really does work, so it all comes down to how you roleplay it. (Good job, Bioware!)

 

And so it all comes down to, which gives me the most Iron Bull feels. Annnd the winner is, Red Lyrium Iron Bull angst. ;_;

[Ryzaki]

I'm also a little biased because I play a mage Lavellan, which has a pretty huge impact on my choices too. He's been raised his entire life to avoid the templars because they are assholes that think if you aren't on their leash then you need to be gutted. So I don't think he'd be all that willing to go walking into their midst or help them whatsoever. So I just play it out as I go to Redcliffe, talk to Dorian, and ...yeah. At that point, you can't walk away from it. (I'd ally with the mages if you could remove Fiona from the picture. If she's leading, I just don't trust her judgement at all.)

 

If I was playing a good little chantry human non-mage, then I'd never go to Redcliffe and beeline straight for the templars, yeah. But that's the only instance it'd make sense in for me.

 

You can say that templars know how to fight demons and stuff like that, but lets just point out here that mages deal with the crap that happens in Therinfall Redoubt all the time. They know how to deal with the demon threat face because they deal with it every time they go to sleep. The weak mages fall to it yes, but that's why you take the best and strongest mages to the breach. The templars didn't notice a demon in their midst controlling them either, so the "these guys are trained and therefore are the absolute best mages are worthless against this threat!" argument is a little iffy.

 

I think it's pretty straight down the middle, either side really does work, so it all comes down to how you roleplay it. (Good job, Bioware!)

 

And so it all comes down to, which gives me the most Iron Bull feels. Annnd the winner is, Red Lyrium Iron Bull angst. ;_;

 

Eh my mage Lavellan sided with the templars too. Dalish clans only keep 3 mages in a group for a reason. A bunch of mages running wild isn't good for anyone. And yeah I go up to the tavern meeting. My PC's not going to trust some magister and walk into some dodgy chantry. S/he's gone after they pick up the Tranquil dude in the tavern. (Well except the more curious ones. Then they meet Dorian and still go lol no).

 

What do you mean say? It's pretty much lore that Templars are trained to fight demons. Also being a powerful mage does not make you impervious to demons. Even Irving can fall to a demon if you're not fast enough.

 

Also the templars didn't notice a demon because most of the higher ups were in on it. This is explained several times in COTJ. Between their reliance of lyrium, the red lyrium's addictive qualities and being kept in the dark by the higher ups it's pretty obvious why what occurred happened.

 

I didn't find that angsty I found it dumb. But that's clearly a YMMV situation as you said. That and Dorian makes me sigh most of that quest, Alexius also strikes me as absurd. Really the only saving grace for that quest for me was Varric keeping his quips. (Which actually says a lot of that being a self defense mechanism).

 

Plus it just looks better from a enemy ally perspective. The evil magister and his army of enslaved mages against the noble herald of Andraste and his/her anti magic army. Far more fitting to me.

 

Edit: uggh this probably sounds like I'm trying to say you're wrong I'm not! I just get defensive of my templars

[Sui Causa]

Eh my mage Lavellan sided with the templars too. Dalish clans only keep 3 mages in a group for a reason. A bunch of mages running wild isn't good for anyone. And yeah I go up to the tavern meeting. My PC's not going to trust some magister and walk into some dodgy chantry. S/he's gone after they pick up the Tranquil dude in the tavern. (Well except the more curious ones. Then they meet Dorian and still go lol no).

 

What do you mean say? It's pretty much lore that Templars are trained to fight demons. Also being a powerful mage does not make you impervious to demons. Even Irving can fall to a demon if you're not fast enough.

 

Also the templars didn't notice a demon because most of the higher ups were in on it. This is explained several times in COTJ. Between their reliance of lyrium, the red lyrium's addictive qualities and being kept in the dark by the higher ups it's pretty obvious why what occurred happened.

 

I didn't find that angsty I found it dumb. But that's clearly a YMMV situation as you said. That and Dorian makes me sigh most of that quest, Alexius also strikes me as absurd. Really the only saving grace for that quest for me was Varric keeping his quips. (Which actually says a lot of that being a self defense mechanism).

Oh, templars are definitely trained and good at what they do. But the way the order has degraded, the way the leadership brought them into the ground etc, at that point the templars in Therinfall Redoubt are not the end all force/solution is what I mean. They were manipulated and the like, yes, but the mages were driven to desperate measures as well so that argument can go both ways. If this was say, Origins, I'd have a lot more faith in the templars then. But this stage of the game, they are not the unfailing force they once were. Even the idea that templars can suppress the breach isn't fully confirmed when you're deciding between the two, so yeah. I'm not arguing mages are the way to go. I'm just saying, there's a lot of doubt around the templars, so I don't believe that they are the way to go either. All falls down to the roleplay.

 

Clearly In Hushed Whispers hit me a lot differently than it hit you. x3 I just get a lot more feels out of it than the templar quest. My Lavellan certainly doesn't want wild mages running around, but he certainly doesn't want those wild mages running around serving the Venatori, either. Rather they be kept on his leash than Tevinters. Compared to that, he sees Lord Seeker Lucius being an absolute jerkface and the rest of the templars going along with it....ehhh, they're not exactly displayed as sympathetic in his eyes. >.>

 

Edit response to your edit!: I guess the fact that I've always played mages makes me skeptical of the templars, just like how you're defensive of them. Their purpose is required, but they were not policed properly. The Seeker order was not enough, and it left too much room for abusive jerks to take advantage of the fact that they had absolute power over a group of people who were demonized enough that nobody cared what happened to them.

 

Keep treating a mage like it's just one step away from resorting to blood magic and demons, keep punishing it and abusing it for crimes that it hasn't committed, keep demonizing and terrorizing it so that it feels like it has no place to go? Yeaaaaaah, that's not the way to go. Because then when it, shock of shocks, does turn to blood magic to lash out and try and change it's fate, then you can just point at it and be like "See? We were right! This is why all mages are animals and need to be abused harder so this doesn't happen again!" And the cycle just gets worse and worse until it literally explodes, as we saw happen in Kirkwall.

 

Doesn't mean either group is right or wrong, or that all templars or all mages are evil, it means that the system has to change to stop the cycle from repeating again. And that is what we get to do in Inquisition.

[Ryzaki]

Oh, templars are definitely trained and good at what they do. But the way the order has degraded, the way the leadership brought them into the ground etc, at that point the templars in Therinfall Redoubt are not the end all force/solution is what I mean. They were manipulated and the like, yes, but the mages were driven to desperate measures as well so that argument can go both ways. If this was say, Origins, I'd have a lot more faith in the templars then. But this stage of the game, they are not the unfailing force they once were. Even the idea that templars can suppress the breach isn't fully confirmed when you're deciding between the two, so yeah. I'm not arguing mages are the way to go. I'm just saying, there's a lot of doubt around the templars, so I don't believe that they are the way to go either. All falls down to the roleplay.

 

Clearly In Hushed Whispers hit me a lot differently than it hit you. x3 I just get a lot more feels out of it than the templar quest. My Lavellan certainly doesn't want wild mages running around, but he certainly doesn't want those wild mages running around serving the Venatori, either. Rather they be kept on his leash than Tevinters. Compared to that, he sees Lord Seeker Lucius being an absolute jerkface and the rest of the templars going along with it....ehhh, they're not exactly displayed as sympathetic in his eyes. >.>

 

Edit response to your edit!: I guess the fact that I've always played mages makes me skeptical of the templars, just like how you're defensive of them. Their purpose is required, but they were not policed properly. The Seeker order was not enough, and it left too much room for abusive jerks to take advantage of the fact that they had absolute power over a group of people who were demonized enough that nobody cared what happened to them.

 

Are the templars really any better turning their one ally against them (Fereldan) by siding with Tevinter over a nonexistent threat?

Also the templars were never an unfailing force. They did however serve a purpose. One that they can keep serving (plus I conscript them anyway.)

Also the mages being able to safely supercharge your mark isn't proven either. That could just as easily backfire. Either way you're taking a gamble.

 

Yeah I got more feels out of templar quest. (Plus god Barris. I just want to suck on your lips). Wild mages serving the ventaroi are fine. They can be killed by the army of templars Quizzy know has under his/her command :3 Also that wasn't Lucius. Lucius is more crazy than a jerk face. But then again my PCs saw a choice between douchebag or idiot. I'd choose the former everytime.

 

I've always played mages who sided with the templars so XD My mages aren't the "raw mage freedom!" type because they know too many idiots. And yeah that's all exactly why I side with the templars. That said blaming the entire templar order for a lack of checks and balances (that was the Seekers jobs and they failed at it) strikes me as off. Every major organization inevitably has corruption. That doesn't mean they should be discarded.

 

The one time I did side with the mages I conscripted them too. Still left a bad taste in my mouth.

[Sui Causa]

Guess my Lavellan sees it as, the Templars have had almost a thousand years to do it right, and they didn't. Time for things to change, and demonizing mages some more to strike them down with templars some more isn't the way to do that. >.> He certainly isn't one for raw mage freedom, even when it comes to himself. Which is why I'm flirting with the idea of him making Iron Bull his make-shift Arvaarad. (Hnnngh. I realllllly want to write this. Not turning himself into a Saarebas, but basically giving Bull a way to shut him down with anything ever goes wrong. And Iron Bull having entirely mixed feelings on the whole thing like "....I don't think I'm the right person for this..." "Oh, well then maybe I should go give Cullen my control rod!" "....No. >:|")

 

Annnnd now my thoughts are entirely derailed, and hnnnngh.

[Ryzaki]

Guess my Lavellan sees it as, the Templars have had almost a thousand years to do it right, and they didn't. Time for things to change, and demonizing mages some more to strike them down with templars some more isn't the way to do that. >.> He certainly isn't one for raw mage freedom, even when it comes to himself. Which is why I'm flirting with the idea of him making Iron Bull his make-shift Arvaarad. (Hnnngh. I realllllly want to write this. Not turning himself into a Saarebas, but basically giving Bull a way to shut him down with anything ever goes wrong. And Iron Bull having entirely mixed feelings on the whole thing like "....I don't think I'm the right person for this..." "Oh, well then maybe I should go give Cullen my control rod!" "....No. >:|")

 

Annnnd now my thoughts are entirely derailed, and hnnnngh.

 

The mages managed to demonize themselves just fine in my game XD I was all for a reformed circle but complete freedom was completely out of the question for my PCs too.

 

Nooo though for Bull being an Arvaard. NOPE. (Plus Bull doesn't even know any anti magic talents. My pcs love their Bull but they know if it every came to a fight well...if Bull didn't start within greatsword distance Bull's dead ) My PCs keep their army at templars close in hand if anything should ever happen there's plenty of people nearby able to shut them down without needing their LI to do it. (Save my elf mage girl who romanced Cullen. She'd want him to strike the blow she'd rather not die at the hands of a stranger). 

[Sui Causa]

Arvaarad's also don't ingest lyrium for anti-magic stuff. But they have that device thingy that is basically a guaranteed paralyze. So I think that is what my Lavellan is going to basically figure out, how to give himself a kill switch, and then give it to Iron Bull. If it ever came to a fight, Bull wins, no question. Same concept as your Lavellan mage and Cullen, doesn't want a stranger to kill him. But he knows Iron Bull has stable enough views on magic that he wouldn't not kill him out of misguided loyalty if it came to that. I just want to know more about Arvaarad's than I do before I jump into that, so it'll be in-the-future writing.

 

All Inquisitor's also have the plus side of Cole. So if anything ever started rooting around in the Inquisitor's head, Cole would know right off the bat and be able to help. :3 So as long as they have Cole around they are pretty safe, but it's always good to have a backup plan.

[Ryzaki]

Arvaarad's also don't ingest lyrium for anti-magic stuff. But they have that device thingy that is basically a guaranteed paralyze. So I think that is what my Lavellan is going to basically figure out, how to give himself a kill switch, and then give it to Iron Bull. If it ever came to a fight, Bull wins, no question. Same concept as your Lavellan mage and Cullen, doesn't want a stranger to kill him. But he knows Iron Bull has stable enough views on magic that he wouldn't not kill him out of misguided loyalty if it came to that.

 

All Inquisitor's also have the plus side of Cole. So if anything ever started rooting around in the Inquisitor's head, Cole would know right off the bat and be able to help. :3 So as long as they have Cole around they are pretty safe, but it's always good to have a backup plan.

 

I'm pretty sure they don't have anti magic talents. They use those rods. Why would you do that?

 

Also isn't that switch attached to the whole collar thing? He gonna walk around with a collar on? Cause I'm pretty sure it won't just work on any mage. If it did Avarrad in DA2 would've used it on mage Hawke/mage companions but they don't.

 

I'm too used to seeing Bull on the floor in my games to believe he'd win vs my mage XD That's probably unfair but damnit Bull STAPH BEING SO DAMN SQUISH.

 

Also yeah Cole! Best backup plan