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Ok, so I had the game in Full Screen mode. Then I changed it to Full Screen/Windowed mode. While I am experiencing less image fluenty xDDDD, I can make screenshots now. So it works for me...

 

Thanks guys ;)  and keep this topic up!! Very bulltastic  :wub:



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Annnnd someone unlocked the first one for those who are curious. Spoilers obviously:

 

http://theladytrevel...s-were-mutually

 

Also, something I noticed is that compare to the 'Save the Chargers' choice; the Alliance one is grainy, darker and Bull's face is covered by a shadow. (again, if this needs to be in spoiler tags someone tell me and show me how to use them. I don't use this site often.


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Annnnd someone unlocked the first one for those who are curious. Spoilers obviously:

 

http://theladytrevel...s-were-mutually

 

Also, something I noticed is that compare to the 'Save the Chargers' choice; the Alliance one is grainy, darker and Bull's face is covered by a shadow. (again, if this needs to be in spoiler tags someone tell me and show me how to use them. I don't use this site often.

 

It's weird that those choices are considered exclusive from each other. By choosing one, you are choosing the other...

 

I noticed that on the card too. 



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It's weird that those choices are considered exclusive from each other. By choosing one, you are choosing the other...

 

I noticed that on the card too. 

 

It could be because of transferring data from the Keep to DLC/DA4 reasons but yeah, I get what you're saying.

Curious on the Loyal to the Qun card though being the Tal-Vashoth is pretty much the Friendship card for Bull. Does that mean that he doesn't see you/isn't a friend? I mean, it kinda makes sense when you think about it (He's a Qunari spy and his Qunlet name means 'Lair').

Also, can we talk about the fact that Bull doesn't have a 'concern you a friend' card like the rest of your companions. I have a feeling that him and the choice you made is going to play a big part in DLC or the next game. Otherwise why wouldn't they label it like the others?

I don't know, I find it interesting.


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It could be because of transferring data from the Keep to DLC/DA4 reasons but yeah, I get what you're saying.

Curious on the Loyal to the Qun card though being the Tal-Vashoth is pretty much the Friendship card for Bull. Does that mean that he doesn't see you/isn't a friend? I mean, it kinda makes sense when you think about it (He's a Qunari spy and his Qunlet name means 'Lair').

Also, can we talk about the fact that Bull doesn't have a 'concern you a friend' card like the rest of your companions. I have a feeling that him and the choice you made is going to play a big part in DLC or the next game. Otherwise why wouldn't they label it like the others?

I don't know, I find it interesting.

 

 

I need to check my own DAI Keep stuff now. 

 

Tal-Vashoth card: I do think he considers you a friend. He says no matter what happens from here on out (I think) there's nowhere he'd rather be. I didn't sense that coming from a place of deceit. I think he genuinely meant it. Your quizzy has opened avenues he wasn't able to think of before so it's like a whole new world for him. I think the lack of a definition comes more from not having a way to define it in the Qun. That's my story (or delusion :lol: ) and I'm sticking to it. I'm going to ignore that Hissrad part...he is and always will be Iron Bull to me  :P

 

When that mission came up/happened, I think Bull was caught in a bit of a crisis. You can sense it when you ask him about the alliance before you do the mission. I don't remember the exact wording but the premise of it was he was uncomfortable with the fact that the Qunari were even coming to the Storm Coast because he wasn't sure about them being so close. Now I don't know if it's in regards to how the Ben-Hassrath would perceive him as he is now or if he prefers who he is now and isn't sure how to relate to the Qunari at home anymore. I mean he had had enough of it before (his purpose) and asked to be re-educated before he was sent to Orlais to become Iron Bull. 
If the rumors of going north for the next game are true (hadn't seen anything about the DLC), then the decision may factor in. You may find yourself pitted against a Qunified Bull or a new Bull will have to face his old life again. It is interesting indeed.

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I need to check my own DAI Keep stuff now. 

 

Tal-Vashoth card: I do think he considers you a friend. He says no matter what happens from here on out (I think) there's nowhere he'd rather be. I didn't sense that coming from a place of deceit. I think he genuinely meant it. Your quizzy has opened avenues he wasn't able to think of before so it's like a whole new world for him. I think the lack of a definition comes more from not having a way to define it in the Qun. That's my story (or delusion :lol: ) and I'm sticking to it. I'm going to ignore that Hissrad part...he is and always will be Iron Bull to me  :P

 

When that mission came up/happened, I think Bull was caught in a bit of a crisis. You can sense it when you ask him about the alliance before you do the mission. I don't remember the exact wording but the premise of it was he was uncomfortable with the fact that the Qunari were even coming to the Storm Coast because he wasn't sure about them being so close. Now I don't know if it's in regards to how the Ben-Hassrath would perceive him as he is now or if he prefers who he is now and isn't sure how to relate to the Qunari at home anymore. I mean he had had enough of it before (his purpose) and asked to be re-educated before he was sent to Orlais to become Iron Bull. 
If the rumors of going north for the next game are true (hadn't seen anything about the DLC), then the decision may factor in. You may find yourself pitted against a Qunified Bull or a new Bull will have to face his old life again. It is interesting indeed.

 

 

That's what I meant about the Tal-Vashoth card being the friendship one. I was referring to the Qun one being 'doesn't see you as a friend.' being all that's left then is Hissrad. Should have been a little more clear about that, sorry.

 

And yes, I refuse to see him in that light as well. He just seems...sad and closes himself off using the Qun as an excuse. It's obvious that he was never really happy with his live pre-Orlais (him breaking under stress/something like that; hating his role, etc.) and with his Chargers being the closest thing he has to a family; if you choose the Alliance over them YOU are letting his family die. Ouch. And it's something he never gets over that once he becomes reunited with the Qunari again; they'll send him to be Re-educated and whatever was left of the Iron Bull will be killed off for good.

 

Not only that, when he's Tal-Vashoth; he at least has his men and gains a bit of trust from some of your Companions. He HAS a support system and a network of friends to help him along the way and in time overcomes and comes to terms with his life; not regretting a thing. And of course if he ends up with the Inquisitor (or Dorian), that also adds something special that he never had before. Life is good *thumbs up*

 

Under the Qun; he has nothing. No friends, the Ben-Hassrath are most likely cautious with him and the lost of his men still lingers and is eating him alive. Also, when you speak to Gatt before the mission starts, he pretty much says/calls Bull 'A tool that still has use to them.' The Qun pretty much says that he's nothing but a tool.

Yeah, it's obvious that along he's useful (the Qunari don't waste resources); his health doesn't matter.

 

I know someone posted up a picture somewhere that in the DA:I files where the DLC would be under, there were something to do with Qunari. This is only speculation right now but either way; the Qunari are most likely going to play a part in the future either it be in DLC (I think this is more likely) or the next game. 

Again, this is speculation.

 

And yeah, I'm curious on how those two choices will play out for his character.


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Spoiler

 

Feel free to share your ideas  :)


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I basically wrote a ton of fanfiction to work out all the extra dialogue I wish had been in the game, haha.

 

Just in general I wish you could be there more for Iron Bull. He's been abandoned by his people and I'm thankful that you can tell him he's a good man and that he won't change, but I wish that during your intimate tender moments you could open up to him a little more, or that he would open up to you.

 

Just a little wishing that there had been a little less sacrifice of character development for comedy. It's not so much that Iron Bull needs to struggle with it or anything either, he's a strong ass man he doesn't need you to hold his hand constantly and tell him it'll be alright, but just a little more of I'm alright. and We'll get through this together. would have made all my fuzzies feel fuzzy.

 

I'm still grateful for what I have and so I just head cannon the rest via fanfiction. :D


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I basically wrote a ton of fanfiction to work out all the extra dialogue I wish had been in the game, haha.

 

Just in general I wish you could be there more for Iron Bull. He's been abandoned by his people and I'm thankful that you can tell him he's a good man and that he won't change, but I wish that during your intimate tender moments you could open up to him a little more, or that he would open up to you.

 

Just a little wishing that there had been a little less sacrifice of character development for comedy. It's not so much that Iron Bull needs to struggle with it or anything either, he's a strong ass man he doesn't need you to hold his hand constantly and tell him it'll be alright, but just a little more of I'm alright. and We'll get through this together. would have made all my fuzzies feel fuzzy.

 

I'm still grateful for what I have and so I just head cannon the rest via fanfiction. :D

 

Everything said above. 


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Loving this discussion!

I agree with you Sweet. To me, the alliance option will lead to the last of Iron Bull as we'd know him. Once it's chosen, you know he has to return to PV after the Inquisition because that's his duty and as soon as he gets back that "tool" will be repurposed. Gatt did mention they were skeptical about him already so the alliance and subsequent return home guarantees a return to his purpose as they see fit.
Hissrad would be back and that saddens me to even consider that such a dynamic personality could be snuffed out like a candle.

I agree with Sui that I do wish a bit more exploration could have been done with that. Bull doesn't need coddling but to be able to really just BE there for him after that kind of loss would have been good. Even something as small as like Bull talking to Dorian regarding his family situation or like Solas said to Bull after it all happened would have been nice. Just a little something to reiterate he has support should he need it and that things will work out.
Alas I'm left with my headcanon instead...
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Loving this discussion!

I agree with you Sweet. To me, the alliance option will lead to the last of Iron Bull as we'd know him. Once it's chosen, you know he has to return to PV after the Inquisition because that's his duty and as soon as he gets back that "tool" will be repurposed. Gatt did mention they were skeptical about him already so the alliance and subsequent return home guarantees a return to his purpose as they see fit.
Hissrad would be back and that saddens me to even consider that such a dynamic personality could be snuffed out like a candle.
 

 

Qunari are dicks like that, yeah.

My main reason I came here was to ask if anyone unlocked those choices and now this turned into a in-depth convo about my fave character.

How did this happen?


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Sorry I've been so damn inactive in this thread lately. I'm in NYC for Soring Break, so I've been unable to post regularly. However, I've been doing enough partying and flirting with every cute guy that I'm doing Iron Bull proud lol.
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So...DA Keep problems. My Iron Bull romance tile isn't showing up for some reason.



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Finally finished my first Iron Bull fic.  Features female Adaar. Fair warning:I've never written any kind of smut before, and I'm sure it shows. :P

http://archiveofouro...g/works/3511472

 

Tomorrow, I'm going to tackle that mabari puppy prompt, because something that adorable demands to be written.

 

 

 

 


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I never read things of the straight variety so I can't really comment on the intricacies of stress straight pron, but that part seemed perfectly well written and I don't know why you were worried!

That said the rest of the story was amazing. I love when people write comforting Iron Bull being a rock for his Kadan. :3 Also makes me want to try out a character that's not an elf because Adaar having so much in common with Iron Bull is amazing.

Awesome job thank you for sharing it! :D and totally can't wait for the puppy prompt haha!
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Denise you had nothing to worry about with that fic! I can't wait to read the puppy one!!!!!!

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So guessing no one unlocked the 'Loyal to the Qun' card yet? 



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I never read things of the straight variety so I can't really comment on the intricacies of stress straight pron, but that part seemed perfectly well written and I don't know why you were worried!

That said the rest of the story was amazing. I love when people write comforting Iron Bull being a rock for his Kadan. :3 Also makes me want to try out a character that's not an elf because Adaar having so much in common with Iron Bull is amazing.

Awesome job thank you for sharing it! :D and totally can't wait for the puppy prompt haha!

 

Denise you had nothing to worry about with that fic! I can't wait to read the puppy one!!!!!!

Aw, thanks guys! I was so nervous about sharing, so that makes me feel a lot better. And the puppy fic is well underway!

 

So guessing no one unlocked the 'Loyal to the Qun' card yet? 

 

Can' do it. I'd like to see the tile too for the sake of curiosity, but the price of unlocking it is just too high :(



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I'm loving writing my headcanon out instead of just fantasizing about it man I can't turn that editing eye off. It's hindering the writing process a little. Maybe I need to stick to outlining for now then fill in the rest.
OAN it's been a while since I played my Bull romanced PT. Think I might have to pick it up tonight.

So guessing no one unlocked the 'Loyal to the Qun' card yet?


Yeah sorry Sweet. Not happening with my current quizzy that hasn't done the mission yet. Maybe I'll make one specifically to be a douche just to see it...maybe.

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I may do it in the near future but it's hard after watching the whole mission and aftermath online on Youtube.  Also, have you guys seen the romance for Bull if you stick with the Qun. The last scene is kinda...painful if you think about it.

And being I'm just a mean person and everyone is posting fanfiction up here:

 

http://archiveofouro...g/works/3253838

 

have your daily dose of sadness.


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I may do it in the near future but it's hard after watching the whole mission and aftermath online on Youtube.  Also, have you guys seen the romance for Bull if you stick with the Qun. The last scene is kinda...painful if you think about it.

And being I'm just a mean person and everyone is posting fanfiction up here:

 

http://archiveofouro...g/works/3253838

 

have your daily dose of sadness.

That was... :crying:

 

Puppyfic. Puppyfic will make it all better. Nothing can make this better


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That was... :crying:

 

Puppyfic. Puppyfic will make it all better. Nothing can make this better

I refuse to read another deathfic today, I keep getting critical-hit!'d by them because I never look at the tags until "OH MY GOD, HES DEAD? WHAT? WHY DIDN'T THEY WAR....oh look there's the warning in ****** bold first tag on the list and somehow I didn't see it..." I will not give in to the sad feels I will hold out for the Puppy feels to make everything better. ♥♥♥

 

I'll totally read that fic when I'm feeling a little more masochistic though, SweetTea. Thanks for sharing even if you are an evil monster for writing such sad things. :<



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I refuse to read another deathfic today, I keep getting critical-hit!'d by them because I never look at the tags until "OH MY GOD, HES DEAD? WHAT? WHY DIDN'T THEY WAR....oh look there's the warning in ****** bold first tag on the list and somehow I didn't see it..." I will not give in to the sad feels I will hold out for the Puppy feels to make everything better. ♥♥♥

 

I'll totally read that fic when I'm feeling a little more masochistic though, SweetTea. Thanks for sharing even if you are an evil monster for writing such sad things. :<

 

I get that a lot.

Next time I write something though, I'll try to be a little more cheerful. I got a cute idea about hot cocoa. 


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I get that a lot.

Next time I write something though, I'll try to be a little more cheerful. I got a cute idea about hot cocoa. 

Things that punch you in the feels can be really powerful writing and it's super respectable to be able to write that kind of supr srs writing. I know I fail horribly at it so I always enjoy torturing myself (now and then!) with it just to get something different from fluff and porn which is pretty much all I can write.

 

That said, hot cocoa ideas are awesome too. ♥



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I refuse to read another deathfic today, I keep getting critical-hit!'d by them because I never look at the tags until "OH MY GOD, HES DEAD? WHAT? WHY DIDN'T THEY WAR....oh look there's the warning in ****** bold first tag on the list and somehow I didn't see it..." I will not give in to the sad feels I will hold out for the Puppy feels to make everything better. ♥♥♥

 

I'll totally read that fic when I'm feeling a little more masochistic though, SweetTea. Thanks for sharing even if you are an evil monster for writing such sad things. :<

....damn, I totally forgot that I need to finish the death fic....

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