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[denise12184]

Usually it's only really easy to quote one person at a time, by hitting the quote button at the bottom of their posts.

 

....So I've been writing a lot on Requisitioned trying to get it done, but last night I got hit with a dream that knocked me flat. It was so....gut-punch.

 

It started out in my dream as Tal-Vashoth Iron Bull and my current Lavellan series, but I don't think I could actually pull it off. Maybe an AU where he stayed loyal to the Qun? Or...just stick with the original dream and make it all the more painful.

 

What if Iron Bull was just really good at his job? And when orders come to capture the Inquisitor and bring him back to Par Vollen, he does it?

 

It started out with Lavellan and Bull just going out together because Iron Bull wanted Lavellan to come with him while he met up with an old friend or something. A day or two in, Lavellan realizes they aren't really headed towards any town. Keeps quiet because it's Iron Bull and he's his Kadan, and that's just crazy.

 

Then notices a little later that an Inquisition scout is watching them. But Iron Bull notices too, and a little later Iron Bull dissapears for a few minutes, returns to their little camp like everythings normal, but the Inquisitor knows the scout isn't watching them anymore and his big qunari lover who he's cuddled into isn't fighting for the same team anymore. And because Iron Bull can read him like an open book, as soon as he figures it out, Iron Bull knows.

 

"So where are you taking me, really?"

"Par Vollen."

"If I don't want to go? If I want to go back to Skyhold?"

"We're not going back to Skyhold."

"So I'm your prisoner then."

"If that's what you want, Kadan."

 

;_; There were so many feels and so much angst and pain and suffering and arrghhhh. I need to write this someday. Someday.

Damn it, why can't I dream about Iron Bull?! Then again, if they're anything like that one, you can keep them.

 

Joking aside, I would read that. I think a little part of me died just reading the summary, but if you ever turned it into a full-fledged fic, I would read it. And probably curse you the entire time

[Sui Causa]

Damn it, why can't I dream about Iron Bull?! Then again, if they're anything like that one, you can keep them.

 

Joking aside, I would read that. I think a little part of me died just reading the summary, but if you ever turned it into a full-fledged fic, I would read it. And probably curse you the entire time

Usually they're more along the lines of UNF UNF UNF hnnnnngh Iron Bull. ♥ This one kind of blindsided me, but it was so...man.

 

Lavellan was so knocked off balance. He wanted to freak the hell out but Iron Bull was being completely normal. He wanted to hate him but it wasn't some big Surprise! I'm secretly evil! Muhaha! type thing he could deal with. He tried to run and got recaptured, expected Iron Bull to be violent or cruel but he wasn't. He'd comfort Lavellan that they won't Quamek him because he's a very valuable tool that they desperatly want in tact. As long as Lavellan cooperates everything will be okay, no one is going to hurt him etc.

 

When he woke up with nightmares and panicking he realized that he usually went to Iron Bull for comfort, but now Iron Bull was the cause of it and more angst and feels and suffering. Eventually Iron Bull just pulled him close and cuddled him like he was used to, Lavellan of course immedietly responded to it and hated himself for enjoying it. Iron Bull said it was just physical and 'Don't worry about it, no one's judging you.'

 

I'm pretty sure I'd curse myself the entire time I wrote it too. The biggest issue I'd have is actually writing anything happening within Par Vollen or what would happen once Lavellan got there. Stupid secritive qunari, I don't have enough knowledge on it to write it proper. >.> I'd think maybe they'd want Lavellans control over rifts/the fade to weaponize against Tevinter or to finally clear out Seheron or something? Idk.

[SweetTeaholic]

I'm starting to wonder if this is my fault.

 

And the funny thing about this conversation is that I'M working on an AU!Qun fic before you even mentioned it. Grated, a little different than yours, but Qun gets in the way of things regardless. No Pal Vollen or anything and Bull is pretty much a sullen, depressed withdrawn drunk but there's that. Oh and Gatt. And Gatt's an a-hole to Bull. 

[EggplantRed]

Oh my! I would read it and I would be angry with you and I'd still read it...

[Sui Causa]

It could be! Your evil feels and death fics with all your feels! I was so happy with my mindless porn! Not that there wasnt angsty sex in this dream of mine.

The Qun is great for angst and evil. Gatt included! I am just wary about writing things I don't fully understand, and Qunadar and Par Vollen are pretty high up on the list, haha. I'll totally read your Qun angst first before I jump into it blind And make a damn fool of myself.

Fortunately I have lots of happy smutty things to write as well, so I'll balance it out.

[SweetTeaholic]

It could be! Your evil feels and death fics with all your feels! I was so happy with my mindless porn! Not that there wasnt angsty sex in this dream of mine.

The Qun is great for angst and evil. Gatt included! I am just wary about writing things I don't fully understand, and Qunadar and Par Vollen are pretty high up on the list, haha. I'll totally read your Qun angst first before I jump into it blind And make a damn fool of myself.

Fortunately I have lots of happy smutty things to write as well, so I'll balance it out.

 

Oh yes, what fun it is! Though it may have a happy/bittersweet ending, but starts off as bitter and angsty and then slightly angsty with less bitter and comfort; and hopefully everyone is happy. Bull needs to be happy, yes.

 

Practice my friend, practice. Though being we never got much of Qunadar or Par Vollen in the games/series, it'll be a bit hard to write. Really, you're just to have to play with headcanons a bit. I have an outline for the fic already planned out (at least most of the early chapters) if you're curious on how it goes (not posting it up here but gladly will send you by PM if you don't mind spoilers). 

 

When it comes down to it, you're just going to have to research on things that may work in real life and work with what you got in source material. That's pretty much what I do. Oh, and if you plan on it being a multi-chapter story, make an outline! I can't address that enough on how much that helps. Yes, things change as you go, but it's still good to know the overall direction you want to go.

[denise12184]

The Qun is endlessly fascinating. There is only one reason I hate it, and that's because it's forced. I have no doubt that what Bull believes is true: it probably is a good life for a lot of people. As long as you're not the type to start asking questions. Like most religions/philosophies, it has some good things. A place for everyone, and on equal footing, too? Great! Breaking someone or turning them into a mindless little worker because they disagree or have questions? No.

 

I'd read whatever you wrote if someone was brave enough to try to build a plot around the Qun. But I agree, we know so little about it. I'd throw money at Bioware if they made a qunari dlc, though.

[DarkAmaranth1966]

I thnik what many tend to forget is that Qunari, raised under the Qun, don't know any other way so, for most it's perfectly fine, it's how life is and that's that. Same as An American like me taking it as simply how life is that a person can own firearms, buy a car made in about any country they want and, Wal Mart is open all day on Sunday, just like any other day. For me that's normal, that's how life has always been and, how I see it always being. I tend to translate that to everyone, it's the same for them too but, If I stop and think about it, no it isn't. Not every nation has the same rights, same stores or same rules the USA does, still unless I think about it, I default to "it's like this for everyone."

 

Qunari do the same, I'm sure, it's just how it is until something makes them think about peoples for whom it's different. Many never have a reason to think about life being other than they know and, die content in living a good life under the Qun, never thinking life could be any different.

[denise12184]

I thnik what many tend to forget is that Qunari, raised under the Qun, don't know any other way so, for most it's perfectly fine, it's how life is and that's that. Same as An American like me taking it as simply how life is that a person can own firearms, buy a car made in about any country they want and, Wal Mart is open all day on Sunday, just like any other day. For me that's normal, that's how life has always been and, how I see it always being. I tend to translate that to everyone, it's the same for them too but, If I stop and think about it, no it isn't. Not every nation has the same rights, same stores or same rules the USA does, still unless I think about it, I default to "it's like this for everyone."

 

Qunari do the same, I'm sure, it's just how it is until something makes them think about peoples for whom it's different. Many never have a reason to think about life being other than they know and, die content in living a good life under the Qun, never thinking life could be any different.

Very good point.

[Sui Causa]

I would love a Qunari-based DLC so much. Sooooo much. ♥

 

For now I will keep this little muse of mine in dream-status. I have lucid dreams so I can just pop back into that dream later and continue it, I totally look forward to exploring it more. While I do that I need to finish Requisitioned so I can get it off my plate and go back to playing the game! I want to finish off my 100% playthrough, and everything I've been researching about elves and stuff lately has been making me want to write another crisis-of-faith elfy-type fic for my Lavellan as well.

 

(Which is why I kind of want to make this qun!Iron Bull take place in the same series as my usual series, because Lavellan no longer believing in his gods or the chantry etc will be really good fuel for more angst! I'm a horrible person.)

 

And then I want to replay DA2. And then do my qunari playthrough of DA:I. I have too many things I want to do and too little time!

[Mengor]

Wow you are so lucky!! I want to have lucid dreams with IB as well.....The first 2 days after finishing Inquisition I saw him in my dreams but only for a very short duration and for some reason my sleep was interrupted always at 04:00 AM xD. Now I am both researching and making changes in my routine in order to sleep better (and who knows maybe I can meet him xD) 

 

As for the Quinari based DLC would be amazing! You have my support

[Sui Causa]

Wow you are so lucky!! I want to have lucid dreams with IB as well.....The first 2 days after finishing Inquisition I saw him in my dreams but only for a very short duration and for some reason my sleep was interrupted always at 04:00 AM xD. Now I am both researching and making changes in my routine in order to sleep better (and who knows maybe I can meet him xD) 

 

As for the Quinari based DLC would be amazing! You have my support

I don't know how to trigger lucid dreaming because I've been doing it my whole life, but it really is amazing to go to sleep dream out new stories the whole way through haha. I've been planning stories for years just by dreaming. Iron Bull has been the star of most of them since I started playing Inquisition though, not that I'm complaining, even when he does decide to inspire all kinds of angst.

[SweetTeaholic]

...you guys are weird. 

 

Edit: Annnnnd it seems like I just killed the mood.

[EggplantRed]

So random daydream question: is Bull a bath guy? Like would he climb into a bubble bath with quizzy? I imagined him getting into a tub filled with bubbles with my Cadash and the two of them taking turns bathing each other and him washing her hair for her. Nothing sexual happening [right then] but the two of them just talking and spending time.
Does that seem like it'd be out of character for him?

[SweetTeaholic]

So random daydream question: is Bull a bath guy? Like would he climb into a bubble bath with quizzy? I imagined him getting into a tub filled with bubbles with my Cadash and the two of them taking turns bathing each other and him washing her hair for her. Nothing sexual happening [right then] but the two of them just talking and spending time.
Does that seem like it'd be out of character for him?

 

Yeah you guys are really weird *shot*

Um, *ahem* Yes, Bull seems like bath guy. The guy is secretly a romantic why do you think he wanted the dumb Dragon Tooth for! XD

 

And if you guys are in the mood to get into science and and lore discussions:

 

 

More Qunari related than Iron Bull but I thought this was an interesting theory.

 

Thinking of possibly working with this in that Qun fic I'm writing. Maybe. If I have them heading up north. Maybe have Dorian join there misadventures.

[Sui Causa]

I saw some snippets of the scenes this video brings out on Tumblr, and ....hnnnngh. So much foreshadowing man. I'm sure that Bioware has something up their sleeve for this. If they make it as amazing as my imagination makes it, then I can't wait for our first qunari-based dlc/game/etc.

 

As for us being wierd, pffft! There's nothing wierd about us. We are perfectly normal.

 

I think Iron Bull would totally be into baths. Just because it involves his Kadan being naked. What more reason does he need to like it?

[denise12184]

I'm always in the mood to nerd out to science and lore!

 

I'd have to get there again to prove it, but if I remember correctly, Qunari are not affected by the Eluvian either (at least I don't remember getting the option to comment on it like I did with my human quizzy). That could lend further credence to the elf/dragon theory. The Masked Empire talks a bit about how the eluvians affect humans and elves, so this also being in the game seems significant. 

 

Bull says he doesn't know what happened with the kossith, only that they had to leave, and whatever the kossith are, they don't look much like modern qunari.  If you play a Reaver, you find out that a lot of reavers eventually go insane, some even growing scales and other dragon characteristics from too much exposure to the dragon blood. If the qunari are the result of an attempt to join dragon and elven blood, the kossith would have been produced first. Maybe the Tevinters screwed up and got the wrong amount or something and the first kossith were feral, super-charged reavers, but without a way to turn it off. Then the Tevinters either refine the process, or maybe a few(or several) generations go by and the dragon blood weakens, and we have the people who founded the Qun.

 

Solas mentions that the qunari's savage impulses are only held in check by the Qun, and Bull's fear is that he'll go savage after becoming Tal-Vashoth. Now, I can't measure an entire people by one character, but if this was something taught among the qunari, it could really explain the rigidity of the Qun, or even the reason for it's existence. The kossith saw what they could become and sought a way to prevent it. Having a system where society as a whole is all that matters leads to a loss of self which, in theory, at least, gets rid of individual wants and selfish desires that could lead them back down the road they came from. Everyone has a purpose, and that purpose is all they have, all they are. If they start to deviate, they're 'fixed', one way or another, before more people get any ideas, and society spirals into chaos.

 

As for the reasons behind the experiments, the Tevinters worshiped dragons, and thought elves contained the secret to immortality. Maybe the plan was to make themselves gods, or at least the equivalent of the ancient elves?  Just, you know, try it on someone else first to make sure it goes okay. There's notes you in a codex or something for an experiment to figure out how the vitaar works, and they're just going through a bunch of slaves, not to mention the whole business with invading the Golden City. I'm not sure any motive is too far-fetched for them.

[EggplantRed]

Say that Sui! We're just fine   

And a rough rough draft of my bath time with Bull is done.

 

That video is...interesting. I don't remember the convo my Qunari quizzy had with Kieran but I don't think she received that response from him. But that video now makes me think about the Kossith and who they were. Bull mentioned that the Kossith was who the Qunari Thedas knows today broke away from. If the Qunari are supposedly a dragon and elvhen mixed then what the heck were Kossith?? Were dragons that prolific back then? Do the different types of dragons make different types of people/creatures/whatever? Did the Qunari come from a certain type of dragon and maybe the Kossith stemmed from another and whatever dragons the Kossith were from caused issues with them? Now I'm confusing myself because Skyrim lore is starting to creep into my brain and now I want to know if the Kossith and Qunari were created to be the first Dragonborns 

I need to go read some codex...

[His Name was HYR!!]

 Has anyone here seen what happens if you get high disapproval with 'Bull?

 

I have not, just curious.

 

I am not sure how one would even go about it. He was pretty damn easy to get the approval of.

[EggplantRed]

I'll admit I don't know as much of Dragon Age's lore as other games I play.

 

So how does the eluvian affect elves and humans?

Is there anything that says the Qunari or Kossith were aware of their "kinship" to dragons in a sense of being able to speak with them? I am clearly still thinking of Skyrim 

I can understand the notion that Reavers can eventually go insane. Bull mentioned that dragons were raw power and I'd imagine being exposed to power of that magnitude for a long time would drive you crazy.

 

Ughhh! I need to go read some codex.

 

 

I'm always in the mood to nerd out to science and lore!

 

I'd have to get there again to prove it, but if I remember correctly, Qunari are not affected by the Eluvian either (at least I don't remember getting the option to comment on it like I did with my human quizzy). That could lend further credence to the elf/dragon theory. The Masked Empire talks a bit about how the eluvians affect humans and elves, so this also being in the game seems significant. 

 

Bull says he doesn't know what happened with the kossith, only that they had to leave, and whatever the kossith are, they don't look much like modern qunari.  If you play a Reaver, you find out that a lot of reavers eventually go insane, some even growing scales and other dragon characteristics from too much exposure to the dragon blood. If the qunari are the result of an attempt to join dragon and elven blood, the kossith would have been produced first. Maybe the Tevinters screwed up and got the wrong amount or something and the first kossith were feral, super-charged reavers, but without a way to turn it off. Then the Tevinters either refine the process, or maybe a few(or several) generations go by and the dragon blood weakens, and we have the people who founded the Qun.

 

Solas mentions that the qunari's savage impulses are only held in check by the Qun, and Bull's fear is that he'll go savage after becoming Tal-Vashoth. Now, I can't measure an entire people by one character, but if this was something taught among the qunari, it could really explain the rigidity of the Qun, or even the reason for it's existence. The kossith saw what they could become and sought a way to prevent it. Having a system where society as a whole is all that matters leads to a loss of self which, in theory, at least, gets rid of individual wants and selfish desires that could lead them back down the road they came from. Everyone has a purpose, and that purpose is all they have, all they are. If they start to deviate, they're 'fixed', one way or another, before more people get any ideas, and society spirals into chaos.

 

As for the reasons behind the experiments, the Tevinters worshiped dragons, and thought elves contained the secret to immortality. Maybe the plan was to make themselves gods, or at least the equivalent of the ancient elves?  Just, you know, try it on someone else first to make sure it goes okay. There's notes you in a codex or something for an experiment to figure out how the vitaar works, and they're just going through a bunch of slaves, not to mention the whole business with invading the Golden City. I'm not sure any motive is too far-fetched for them.

 

[denise12184]

Say that Sui! We're just fine   

And a rough rough draft of my bath time with Bull is done.

 

That video is...interesting. I don't remember the convo my Qunari quizzy had with Kieran but I don't think she received that response from him. But that video now makes me think about the Kossith and who they were. Bull mentioned that the Kossith was who the Qunari Thedas knows today broke away from. If the Qunari are supposedly a dragon and elvhen mixed then what the heck were Kossith?? Were dragons that prolific back then? Do the different types of dragons make different types of people/creatures/whatever? Did the Qunari come from a certain type of dragon and maybe the Kossith stemmed from another and whatever dragons the Kossith were from caused issues with them? Now I'm confusing myself because Skyrim lore is starting to creep into my brain and now I want to know if the Kossith and Qunari were created to be the first Dragonborns 

I need to go read some codex...

The kossith were the qunari before the Qun was founded. Then Koslun came along with the Qun  and we got qunari, (people of the Qun).

 

http://dragonage.wik...om/wiki/Kossith

 

Professor X:

 

I'd think you'd have to be a real jerk for Bull to have high disapproval, and he might even approve of some of that. I don't know, honestly. I wonder if there's a video for it?

 

Edit: I'll just tack this on here to avoid another post.

 

Elves have no problem with going in the eluvians. They're happy and everything is good, they feel like they belong. Humans are negatively effected. They're slower when in there, and it just feels wrong. I remember my Trevelyan commenting on how it felt weird being in there with Morrigan, but I think all my qunari had the option to say was how cool it was (or something to that effect)

[Mengor]

...you guys are weird. 

 

Edit: Annnnnd it seems like I just killed the mood.

 

Yeah you guys are really weird *shot*

 

 

xDD. No, its ok, There´s no need to shoot anybody for that. I mean everybody can give an opinion haha. Dreaming is free and sometimes can be very beautiful so I dont see why we wouldnt let our imagination to run wild  . 

 

So random daydream question: is Bull a bath guy? Like would he climb into a bubble bath with quizzy? I imagined him getting into a tub filled with bubbles with my Cadash and the two of them taking turns bathing each other and him washing her hair for her. Nothing sexual happening [right then] but the two of them just talking and spending time.
Does that seem like it'd be out of character for him?

 

He definitely is!! Oh my, If they had added a romance scene like that in Inquisition...I would have melted down for sure xD!!  Thank you!! Now I am even more inspired to dream tons more with him 

[EggplantRed]

Well thank you for answering my questions and tolerating my ramblings.

After going through the codex I have, I have even more questions. I'll have to spend some time in the Wiki. And I thought TES had a ton of lore.

[Mengor]

Say that Sui! We're just fine   

And a rough rough draft of my bath time with Bull is done.

 

 

 

Whoops, I skipped this. So, will you share with us your masterpiece once its done ? Wanna peek haha.

[Rekkampum]

The Qun is endlessly fascinating. There is only one reason I hate it, and that's because it's forced. I have no doubt that what Bull believes is true: it probably is a good life for a lot of people. As long as you're not the type to start asking questions. Like most religions/philosophies, it has some good things. A place for everyone, and on equal footing, too? Great! Breaking someone or turning them into a mindless little worker because they disagree or have questions? No.

 

I'd read whatever you wrote if someone was brave enough to try to build a plot around the Qun. But I agree, we know so little about it. I'd throw money at Bioware if they made a qunari dlc, though.

 

Actually, the priests have disagreements about lot's of things. Also, Gatt's experiences dealing with the Qun clearly demonstrate that they're willing to teach those who want to learn and are struggling with aspects of it. They mainly deal with those who are more extreme when it comes to rejecting the Qun, although I imagine there are varying ways the different systems handle it.