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[denise12184]

Actually, the priests have disagreements about lot's of things. Also, Gatt's experiences dealing with the Qun clearly demonstrate that they're willing to teach those who want to learn and are struggling with aspects of it. They mainly deal with those who are more extreme when it comes to rejecting the Qun, although I imagine there are varying ways the different systems handle it.

Good points, but I will say that the Ben-Hassrath codex entry ( http://dragonage.wik...he_Ben-Hassrath) makes it seem like it doesn't take anything all that extreme to earn a trip to the re-educators. I would think the priests disagreeing over points of the Qun is probably a bit different than other people disagreeing. It's the priests' job to figure all of that out and teach it to everyone else, so disagreements among them are bound to happen. And I'll agree that they are willing to teach those struggling, but the end result is the same: you cooperate, or you get re-educated (or worse).

 

So yeah, questioning might not be a big thing, and I'll agree that I certainly could have worded that better. My point is that you better accept the answers you get, or you'll wind up sent to a viddathlok so they can 'cure' you.

 

I hope my response doesn't offend. I can't resist a good debate (which can be excessive at times, I'm told), but it's all in fun, I promise.

[Hellion Rex]

Question: if an enemy were to start flirting with your Inquisitor that is firmy in a relationship with Bull, how do you think the big guy would act?

Would Bull get very possessive or would he just laugh it off?

[denise12184]

Question: if an enemy were to start flirting with your Inquisitor that is firmy in a relationship with Bull, how do you think the big guy would act?

Would Bull get very possessive or would he just laugh it off?

Hmmm. I guess I don't see Bull as the jealous type? I mean, it could be game mechanics, but flirting with Dorian has become as habitual for me as romancing Bull and he never bats an eye. There's also the banter you can get with him and Sera if you dump him and move on to her where he says something about no hard feelings.

 

He just seems too confident and secure with himself and your relationship (especially after the dragon tooth) to act like that, so I would think he'd be more likely to laugh it off. Only my opinion of course, and anyone might act differently than normal depending on the circumstances.

[Hellion Rex]

Hmmm. I guess I don't see Bull as the jealous type? I mean, it could be game mechanics, but flirting with Dorian has become as habitual for me as romancing Bull and he never bats an eye. There's also the banter you can get with him and Sera if you dump him and move on to her where he says something about no hard feelings.

He just seems too confident and secure with himself and your relationship (especially after the dragon tooth) to act like that, so I would think he'd be more likely to laugh it off. Only my opinion of course, and anyone might act differently than normal depending on the circumstances.

Ok, that's kinda what I was thinking as well. While my Gale would be spluttering with his jaw dropped, Bull would be laughing his ass off.

[Sui Causa]

That's pretty much how I head-cannon it as well. They are in a monagamous relationship, but Iron Bull would be okay with where you work up an appetite as long as you come home for supper? He'd just enjoy the show in the meantime. Of course I'm working it out so that my Lavellan and Iron Bull start taking Dorian to bed, so my head cannons are getting kind of biased.

 

I think the Qun is pretty understanding of Viditharri needing some time to adjust. Gatt is proof of that. However there is the sliiiiight problem of, Oh you're a mage? Well enjoy your Qaamek at best, execution at worst.

[EggplantRed]

Nah he wouldn't be jealous. He's more than confident enough in himself and his relationship with my quizzy so I don't see something like that provoking a serious response from him (or her if it was reversed).

 

 

As far as my Bull/Cadash bath piece, I may share it on AO3 though...I'll let you all know

[Sui Causa]

As far as my Bull/Cadash bath piece, I may share it on AO3 though...I let you all know

You'd better!

[Mengor]

That's pretty much how I head-cannon it as well. They are in a monagamous relationship, but Iron Bull would be okay with where you work up an appetite as long as you come home for supper? He'd just enjoy the show in the meantime. Of course I'm working it out so that my Lavellan and Iron Bull start taking Dorian to bed, so my head cannons are getting kind of biased.

 

I think the Qun is pretty understanding of Viditharri needing some time to adjust. Gatt is proof of that. However there is the sliiiiight problem of, Oh you're a mage? Well enjoy your Qaamek at best, execution at worst.

 

Wait wait hold on a second xD, Execution?? What do you mean? My Quizzy is also mage haha!! Oh no....Qaamek?? What is that ?

[Sui Causa]

Wait wait hold on a second xD, Execution?? What do you mean? My Quizzy is also mage haha!! Oh no....Qaamek?? What is that ?

http://dragonage.wik...m/wiki/Saarebas This is how mages are treated under the Qun. It's highly regulated and stuff. Basically if a qunari was raised to become a warrior, they will spend their childhood years in training for it. They suddenly manifest mage powers? Everything they were training and preparing for is stripped away and they are forced to become Saarebas. It's not a very happy life.

 

http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Qamek I added an extra A in, haha. Qamek is what the Qunari use to basically lobotomize anyone that they consider too far gone to bring under the order of the Qun. Unfortunately outsiders cannot be made into Saarebas, which means that all mages that fall under the keeping of the qun are given Qamek and basically become mindless drones, only fit for menial labor.

 

So basically, if you are a mage captured by Qunari, execution is actually one of the better options. Our little mage Inquisitor's can never entertain the idea of following a Qun-loyal Iron Bull back to Par Vollen. :|

[Mengor]

Oh my how terrible. Now I feel relieved I made him Tal-Vashoth, much safer that way lol. 

 

Nah he wouldn't be jealous. He's more than confident enough in himself and his relationship with my quizzy so I don't see something like that provoking a serious response from him (or her if it was reversed).

 

 

As far as my Bull/Cadash bath piece, I may share it on AO3 though...I'll let you all know

 

As a possible idea to help you. Remember: he was asking Varric for some Horn Balm he needed that badly... (Oh no, my dirty mind is about to trigger    )

[EggplantRed]

Ooooh horn balm *note taken*

Saarebas: I just finished DA2 last night and man mage Qunaris...sheesh! After playing that particular mission, I was really disturbed by it. I couldn't imagine life in the Qun with magic. Outsiders who try to convert definitely don't have a chance or at least I wouldn't bother. Their treatment of mages just hurt my soul as a player.

[Sui Causa]

Oh my how terrible. Now I feel relieved I made him Tal-Vashoth, much safer that way lol. 
 

 
As a possible idea to help you. Remember: he was asking Varric for some Horn Balm he needed that badly... (Oh no, my dirty mind is about to trigger    )

*currently writing about sexy times spawned by Dragon scented horn balm* kekeke

But yeah, I much prefer my tal-vashoth Iron Bull!

[Rekkampum]

Good points, but I will say that the Ben-Hassrath codex entry ( http://dragonage.wik...he_Ben-Hassrath) makes it seem like it doesn't take anything all that extreme to earn a trip to the re-educators. I would think the priests disagreeing over points of the Qun is probably a bit different than other people disagreeing. It's the priests' job to figure all of that out and teach it to everyone else, so disagreements among them are bound to happen. And I'll agree that they are willing to teach those struggling, but the end result is the same: you cooperate, or you get re-educated (or worse).

 

So yeah, questioning might not be a big thing, and I'll agree that I certainly could have worded that better. My point is that you better accept the answers you get, or you'll wind up sent to a viddathlok so they can 'cure' you.

 

I hope my response doesn't offend. I can't resist a good debate (which can be excessive at times, I'm told), but it's all in fun, I promise.

 

How can a polite response offend? Don't apologize. You were completely respectful.

 

That said, I think the ultimate goal is definitely to convert or re-educate. Gatt mentions that the Ben-Hassrath were patient with him, and so it seems that only those who are very rebellious are re-educated. I remember in the codex entry that delved into the process, the person had actually killed some people as well. The main entry for the Qunari is also where I get my interpretation from re: the Ben-Hassrath: "The latter appear to be reasonable if an individual doesn't resist their severe teachings, and a new convert, or viddathari, may take a high position in the Qunari society." So I'm guessing that as long as a person is receptive to learning about the Qun, they usually don't end up being re-educated. Nonetheless, that is an aspect I can see being problematic. I like that even viddathari can gain reputable social status under the Qun if the Tamassrans feel that they've proven themselves worthy of it; of course, there's also the downside to the system for those not so fortunate.

[denise12184]

And I appreciate you being polite in turn. The internet is enough of a toilet without throwing more crap in

 

I really do think the Qun has a lot of good to it, and that it gives people a chance that might not have had one outside of it. Gatt is a great example of that. But he's also the one (correct me if I'm wrong, it's been a bit since that mission) that said some people see it as just another form of slavery. And they are justified in thinking so. And I agree that there's really no reason to re-educate a willing convert. But their methods are what I have an issue with. Some of what is described about the process is torture and pretty much all of it amounts to brainwashing.

 

I may sound like I hate the Qun, and really, I don't. I love the qunari culture/race - what little BW is willing to tell us, anyway. It's one of the most interesting societies in the entire game.  Bull has a point when he says that at least they try to fix people instead of just lopping their heads off, but some of the fixes might be worse, depending on the individual. In theory, the Qun is great. In practice, (kinda like communism) it doesn't work out so well. But then, the same could be said for the circles, the Chantry, and a lot of other things in the DA universe. And, I will be the first to admit that I'm just flat-out biased. For me personally, the thought of being turned into a mindless drone is horrifying. Sure, they're content and don't know any difference, but that just seems worse. And I have the same issues with the Rite of Tranquility, so it isn't just the Qun.

[Sui Causa]

As a huge elf player/supporter I like the Qun a whole heck of a lot more than I like the Chantry. Iron Bull has it totally figured out though. Everyone has a system that works for them, when it breaks you gotta fix it. Listening to him and Solas duke it out over the Qun is pretty amazing as well. Solas makes a pretty great point before Iron Bull goes Tal Vashoth, that Iron Bull does think that the Qun would be a good thing to spread to Thedas, but he doesn't want people to get hurt or killed in the process so he doesn't want Qunari to invade.

 

Qunari and Elves are right up there for my favorite things in the DA universe. Of course my favorite things are either considered evil, or are hit hard with "they were evil so now they deserve their suffering!"

 

BUT I'M OKAY WITH THAT. The sex is great. ♥

 

(I've also totally preordered the second volume of World of Thedas. I really hope there is more on both elves and the Qunari in that bad boy. )

[EggplantRed]

So much editing and rewrites on the bath piece! Finally reached a stopping point for the night.

Had the Chargers on my mind so I'm posting a few finds. Enjoy!

 

 

Horns up!

Spoiler

http://theironbull.c...gers-by-meglish

 

 

Fall in line [more in the link below]

Spoiler

http://fuckin--mages...rtunity-to-give

 

 

Adorable

Spoiler

http://freckled-knig...-bulls-children

 

 

Chargers selfie

Spoiler

http://floatslikebri...ogether-i-got-a

 

 

Hand slipped [I'm a bit of a comic head and knowing the premise I found this funny]:

Spoiler

http://mydadisindian...my-hand-slipped

[Mengor]

As a huge elf player/supporter I like the Qun a whole heck of a lot more than I like the Chantry. Iron Bull has it totally figured out though. Everyone has a system that works for them, when it breaks you gotta fix it. Listening to him and Solas duke it out over the Qun is pretty amazing as well. Solas makes a pretty great point before Iron Bull goes Tal Vashoth, that Iron Bull does think that the Qun would be a good thing to spread to Thedas, but he doesn't want people to get hurt or killed in the process so he doesn't want Qunari to invade.

 

Qunari and Elves are right up there for my favorite things in the DA universe. Of course my favorite things are either considered evil, or are hit hard with "they were evil so now they deserve their suffering!"

 

BUT I'M OKAY WITH THAT. The sex is great. ♥

 

(I've also totally preordered the second volume of World of Thedas. I really hope there is more on both elves and the Qunari in that bad boy. )

 

Now, that is actually interesting. Is Bioware selling these? Probably I could order the 1st one, as a good time killer while I work in the museum. Otherwise I assume I would miss a lot of stuff if I jump straight to the 2nd.

[Incantrix]

After playing through a Dorian and IB romance, I think IB is my favorite. He's pretty sweet and his gritty manlines really resonated with my levellan.

[Mengor]

After playing through a Dorian and IB romance, I think IB is my favorite. He's pretty sweet and his gritty manlines really resonated with my levellan.

 

Indeed. I haven´t tried Dorian´s. But for some reason when I made other characters, I am so obsessed with IB I keep romancing him lol 

[Sui Causa]

Now, that is actually interesting. Is Bioware selling these? Probably I could order the 1st one, as a good time killer while I work in the museum. Otherwise I assume I would miss a lot of stuff if I jump straight to the 2nd.

I'm not sure if the second volume is going to have all the first + extra, or if it's all entirely new. I guess I'll find out when the second volume finally ships haha. Its not releasing till some time in May so you'll have time to read up the first one for sure.

 

I like Dorian's romance a lot too, but I haven't finished my Dorian playthrough because I ...remade my character and went back to Iron Bull. /o/ Dorian is sweet and sexy and lovely, and it's very nice how your Inquisitor can chip away at his mask and reveal the vulnerable loving gooey center inside. However the way roleplay my character, I much prefer having someone look after you, and chip away at your masks. It's a very nice change to be the one taken care of instead, so Iron Bull totally wins my heart. ♥

 

And all of those fanarts of Iron Bull with his chargers is just too damn cute!

[EggplantRed]

I thought WoT was like a guide or reference book. Is it actually a story?

I'm currently in the middle of a hard playthrough that was supposed to be romancing Cass but the poor guy is being swept away by Dorian. But I'm also RPing Liam as a heroic type of guy. He's interested in Cass for sure but something about Dorian just tugs at him. He's purposely not flirted with IB because my own personal bias will creep back in and he'll be riding the Bull too.
Alcina is a feisty dwarf & a 'just get it done' type of woman. IB is actually giving her what she needs- someone she can depend on without worry.

My favorite fanart is with Rocky in the baby Bjorn but all the fanart is so cute! That Marvel Comics piece had me laughing for minutes. I know the comic they're referencing so seeing them make the conflict over Demands of the Qun was so hilarious to me.

[Incantrix]

I like to think of my lavelbull (I have coined it) romance as very liberal. I am pretty sure IB flirts with Dorian in my  party (as do I lol). 

[Sui Causa]

I like to think of my lavelbull (I have coined it) romance as very liberal. I am pretty sure IB flirts with Dorian in my  party (as do I lol). 

This x 10000. It's totally going to take over my fanfiction writing soon, I can feel it.

 

WOT is a reference book, it's very pretty and nice and sexy. Kind of like an encyclopedia that has codex entries scattered throughout as well as beautiful art and all kinds of sexy information. I can't wait to split open into volume 2 when it's released.

 

I've seen that avengers meme around for a while now, and I totally thought that the sacrificed the chargers one was the best example of it lol. I love any fanart involving Iron Bull and the chargers though, I'm super biased. ♥

[denise12184]

Mengor, I know what you mean about other characters. I made a Lady Trevelyan to try out the Cullen romance and she ran off with Bull. I made an elf for Solas, and she's just sitting at Haven. My second Trevelyan actually got about 75% in with Cullen, and I'm just not interested in continuing....I made another qunari to romance Iron Bull. (This will be Adaar #4) I might have a problem...

 

Last I checked, World of Thedas is pretty pricey. Is it worth it? I have all of the novels, but I've decided to skip the comics.

[Ryzaki]

I love Bull but Cullen. I'm sorry Bull but you're second best husbando.

 

Cullen just ticks too many of my boxes for him to be any less than first.

 

 

As for Bull and jealousy yeah I have to agree I don't see him as the type to be possessive. My quizzy is the jealous types though so I foresee some nose scrunching with Bull trying to hold in snickering.