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I would definitely like to learn more about the culture and the species. But I can go without some parts of the Qun<- I should clarify this.

I agree with Bull in the sense that some parts of the Qun are right for some people. Emphasis on all the 'some' in that statement though.


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Individual qunari aren't that bad. Bull's right - people are just people. Even the most cruel practices are done with the belief that it's for the best. Does that make it right? Not necessarily, but motivation counts for something, in my opinion. It's not deliberate cruelty. Example, the Saarebas. Despicable practice, but sewing someone's mouth shut for sh*ts and giggles is a bit different than doing it with the belief that you are saving them from themselves. Either example is wrong, but one is done with the best intentions at heart. Look at some religions today. People could - and have - argued that circumcision is mutilation. Yet those parents that practice it have their child's best interests in mind. They are not doing it because they want to be cruel to little babies. Probably not the best example, but the only one I could think of off the top of my head. (Note, I am not comparing the life of a Saarebas to a circumcised child)

 

Let me reiterate that I am not defending such practices. The Qun is a mix of good and bad, and the bad really seems to outweigh anything good that comes from it. BUT, on the upside, you have people being taken care of that would otherwise be considered the dregs of society and forgotten. Those same people are equal under the Qun, and have opportunities (as well as having their basic needs met) that they would not anywhere else.

 

The Qun is fascinating. I wouldn't want to live under it myself, but for someone that grew up knowing nothing else, or for someone like Gatt who got a better life out of it, I can see why they would defend it. I also believe a good deal of it began with fear. The qunari seem to be trying to create their own version of utopia, and you can't have that without someone getting stepped on.

 

And Sten...oh, my cookie-loving kitten snuggler. I really don't like where this is going.


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Yeah, when ;you look at Orlais and "The Great Game" and how Iron Bull describes it is completely true -- everyones too busy tripping over their dicks to notice that the country is going to crap. Tevinter, built on the backs of their slaves and powered by blood and magic. When you hold the Qunari up to that? It works. It has it's own flavours of fucked up, sure. But its a social system that does not prey upon the weak to empower the strong. That makes it really attractive to people who have spent their existing lives being the weak. It's an amazing system and structure and I too would love to find out more about it.

 

Iron Bull's biggest problem, according to his WOT2 information, was his anger. He was angry. He was angry at the death he was exposed to, angry at the Tal-Vashoth who killed kids and the civilians that got caught up in it and the fact that no matter how hard he tried, the Qun wasn't fixing it. He was also angry at himself. Gatt says something like, "It was actually a blessing when those vint magisters landed, because he didn't have to argue with himself after he killed them." Ten years of watching people die, hunting down old friends who had gone Tal-Vashoth, constantly checking over your shoulder and not trusting anyone around you broke him down. Even a qunari that loves the qun can only be worn down by it so long before he snaps.

 

Gatt's letter showed how angry he was at the Qun for doing it to Iron Bull. It's just..sad. ;w; MUH POOR BABY.


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Let's not forget that Bull also watched one of his best and OLDEST (which could even mean they grew up together in the same Tamassran unit all we know) friends die right in front of him by an arrow through throat which also caused him to finally lose it. And then he blames himself for doing so!

 

Gatt's letter was likely my fave part of the Iron Bull section because 1) Shows Gatt isn't a complete dick, 2) Gatt does care about him and sees Bull as a friend. Doesn't change how much of an ass he was during DotQ but even friends say things they regret and I'm sure the same could be said for Gatt being he's afraid. and 3) shows off one of the huge problems with the Qun and that being how one sided it is. the Qunari go preach about 'purpose' and 'the better good for everyone', but only if it goes by their definition of things. And if you don't fall in line with those things: They'll try to 'fix' you. And if that doesn't work: Well, sucks to be you, have fun working in a mine all your life as a mindless husk. And we don't need to speak about their treatment of mages.

 

(Also: was it said that they give Qamek to mages who aren't under the Qun to 'prevent' deaths or do they just kill them? Not sure if Bioware gave that info or not)

 

Yeah, F--k the Qun. Yet again, F--K The Game too. YAY let's kill people for politics, fun and profit wtf.

 

And now I have a bad idea for a Sten comic involving the Warden. You can see where this is going.

But also got a cute idea for a comic with Sten and Warden regarding cookies.


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#11580
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I needed the laugh this pic of Bull and Cole provided me so much:

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source: http://designertrash...18999275326/yes

 

Bull in 12

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source: http://slugette.tumb...90/iron-bull-12

I hope he wearing something under those shorts. Because if he is not, My Inquisitor is going to have a field day taking pictures.  :devil:  :wub: 


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#11581
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So I drew some Iron Bull: http://sweettdrawsth...wing-this#notes

 

And a bit older picture (you can see the style change between the two): http://sweettdrawsth...is-once-i#notes


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#11582
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Sweet, your drawings are nice!
Herah is too cute in your latest one!!!!

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Oh, those are cute!



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All this Bull I just  :wub:

 

So yeah...

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source: http://likeasaarebas...nish-this-so-im

 

Iron Bull, 140

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Source: http://slugette.tumb...-thingy-at-your


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#11585
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Don't do it...

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see the rest: http://swampbaras.tu...snt-necessarily


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Oh god I love that comic. :wub:

 

I laugh so hard at http://aryisacaprica...npavus-fuck-you this as well.

I just...Our companion named "Liar" is the one who's been the most up front with the secret things from the start. <3


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Oh god I love that comic. :wub:

 

I laugh so hard at http://aryisacaprica...npavus-fuck-you this as well.

I just...Our companion named "Liar" is the one who's been the most up front with the secret things from the start. <3

I JUST reblogged that one tonight!!!!

I laughed SO much when I saw his part!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

And yes that's just Bae :wub: ...the honest spy (or ex-spy)


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Don't do it...

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see the rest: http://swampbaras.tu...snt-necessarily

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#11589
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My poor Lavellan fic is never going to get finished at this rate.

Cadash and Bull rule my fic space  :lol:


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#11590
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Dammit xD. Still writing the 1st chapter of my fic. i am guessing it will have like 3k words...And thats only the first one.. Thanks goodness I decided to remove some parts.. otherwise would be really thick  :D


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#11591
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Dammit xD. Still writing the 1st chapter of my fic. i am guessing it will have like 3k words...And thats only the first one.. Thanks goodness I decided to remove some parts.. otherwise would be really thick  :D

If it's long, it's long. We'll read it anyway.

 

I'm outlining one now that's up to four chapters and it will probably have 6 or so once I finish sorting out my ideas. Once I actually start writing it, who knows how many words it will have...



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Art!

 

Bull and dragonlings

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Source: http://hollyoakhill....raising-dragons

 

The 'bow'

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Source: http://redmiel.tumbl...st/105491864325

 

Calvin and Hobbes, DAI style

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Source: http://hipsternari.t...aw-this-all-day

 

Bull and Chargers

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Source: http://grotesqueerie...-with-eachother

 

Bull loves the Vints...well some of them

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Source: http://pancakesandpl...st/103868813495


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Art!

 

Bull and dragonlings

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Source: http://hollyoakhill....raising-dragons

 

The 'bow'

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Source: http://redmiel.tumbl...st/105491864325

 

Calvin and Hobbes, DAI style

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Source: http://hipsternari.t...aw-this-all-day

 

Bull and Chargers

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Source: http://grotesqueerie...-with-eachother

 

Bull loves the Vints...well some of them

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Source: http://pancakesandpl...st/103868813495

 

So cute images :D! 2nd one is hilarious xD.

 

My Iron Bull spiral keeps increasing...I do have started 2nd chapter.. but somehow I keep boosting the 1st one every now and then with moar crazy ideas.  :wub:  :wub: . This is neverending...as well as awesome  :lol: . Iron Bull spiral´s rule!!


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#11594
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Moar Mengor...moar! The Bull spiral is strong and great...but mostly strong  :devil:

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Katoh means "Ending" or "achievement."

 

A little excerpt from WOT2:

In keeping with their seemingly never-ending search for efficiency, the Qunari appear to use the following designations to denote the skill level associated with an item:

Eva means "basic" or "beginner".

Iss means "experienced."

Katoh means "Ending" or "achievement".

 

Thus, an amulet, which is generically called taamsala, would be designated taamsala eva if meant for a neophyte, taamsala iss if intended for a veteran, and taamsala katoh if used by a master.

 

 

Iron Bull picked a word meaning the highest level of skill, and used that for the Inquisitor's safe word. A word that can be more direct translated to "Master." I...have a lot of feelings about this. ;w; ♥

 

Most of them are around the fact that Iron Bull decided he will only hear the Inquisitor call him Master as a safe word, when it means he has to stop and check in. I ... so many feels. ;w;


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Katoh means "Ending" or "achievement."

 

<snip>

 

Iron Bull picked a word meaning the highest level of skill, and used that for the Inquisitor's safe word. A word that can be more direct translated to "Master." I...have a lot of feelings about this. ;w; ♥

 

Most of them are around the fact that Iron Bull decided he will only hear the Inquisitor call him Master as a safe word, when it means he has to stop and check in. I ... so many feels. ;w;

 

My feels!!!!  ^_^

 

This makes the outline that I'm currently working on that much more poignant...oh boy.


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Yeaahhhh I love it. xD It goes on to say things like... Katoh gets tacked on to the end of all tools used by a master of their position. Sataam-taar katoh refer’s to a heavy boot a master would wear.

 

It’s not referring so much to mastery over someone as mastery over something, but stilllll. You know Iron Bull was enjoying the wordplay when he picked this word for the Inquisitor. <3


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#11598
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He knew what he was doing...picking that particular word :P 

EDIT: And I like your interpretation of it Sui...even if it's not exactly what's meant, I still like your take on it  :)

 

 

I went searching for Dorian banter to gather his voice for my Lav fic tonight and then I somehow stumbled on a 'I hate IB & Dorian's relationship because IB treats him like crap' tumblr post and now my feelings are a little hurt  :(


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Yeah, it's one of those qunari words. Makes it have different meanings based on the context of the sentence it's in, etc. Since it's mastery of a skill, then it could mean mastery of self, self control etc, I really like the idea that it's a little reminder to Iron Bull.

No matter what, it's still much nicer than it meaning "Stop." Haha.

Screw the haters! There's more than enough content that's not produced by people trying desperately to twist things around so they can be righteously offended by it to make up for them. :D
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Today, I´ve been doing some research about the different dialogues between Bull and other characters. See guys there are some aspects I need to cover for my fic...However...there are some of these that have awaken my restless kinky mind from his slumber.... :wub:  :wub:

 

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Sorry Blackwall, guess not lol. And Bull...Point taken my love.... ^_^

 

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That one is pretty fun too :D

 

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Bull...You have to tell me more about this...What.. do you do...exactly? Count me in  :devil:  <3!!! The list could continue. Anyway there are tons of good material for my fic lol.

 

 

Pd: Also I agree with Bull that Furrows has a nice ring to it

 

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Oh god, this is just a mine of gold

 

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So damm spicy! Iron Bull you are just amazing!!! Suddenly faints...


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