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[Sui Causa]

This really all comes down to the fact that BDSM has had so little media attention that people really don't know what to make of it. They read about the series that must not be named, and hear how terrible it is and read about all the things that the dom that must not be named did wrong, and then they cling to that as "these are all the things that must be done or else it's an abusive relationship and not real BDSM!"

 

Honestly, BDSM is not bordering so close on abusive that doing things outside a very specific formula will suddenly plunge you into being an abusive lover. I want to shake people who treat it like that because it's not. You can very much not be the one in control during sex and be completely submitting to another without being one step away from mortal peril, especially with someone you trust or someone who is responsible. (Like for instance, Iron Bull.) BDSM is not always about pain. BDSM is not always about a dom serving his own needs. BDSM is not always about sadism. I could literally rant about this for hours but I will not.

 

Their first night was probably Iron Bull showing the Inquisitor what they were signing up for. A safe word wasn't required because, shock of shocks, do you know there is a default safe word when one isn't specified? It's called "Stop!" It's called "OH GOD WHAT ARE YOU DOING WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO PUT THAT STOP." Makes sense, right?

 

Iron Bull gives the Inquisitor a taste to see if they are interested, when the Inquisitor says Hell yes I'm interested! then they proceed to set up rules and boundaries to protect them and give them a lot more room for play. A safe word gives them a lot more freedom to play. They can role play, they can push limits, and it lets the Inquisitor sink way deeper into a head space etc. All of that is set up as it should be before serious play and their actual relationship begins.

 

People continuing to bring up the safe word/rules things not happening the first night just kind of makes me want to put my head through a wall. Bull made it very clear you were going to try something very different and gave the Inquisitor multiple chances to back out from that. After he showed what he was offering he set down rules and explained things clearly. It's a hell of a lot easier to do things the way he did it, then sitting the Inquisitor down and explaining BDSM to someone who might have no bloody idea what Iron Bull is even talking about.

 

As for people being so uncomfortable with the idea of subbing that they are offended by Iron Bull's existance...well. Those people have bigger problems than a kinky qunari in a video game. >_>

[denise12184]

I was hoping you'd chime in on this, Sui!

[Mengor]

As for people being so uncomfortable with the idea of subbing that they are offended by Iron Bull's existance...well. Those people have bigger problems than a kinky qunari in a video game. >_>

 

I knew you would appear sooner or later. Loved last sentence xD.

[Sui Causa]

Haha, I am a creature summoned to shake my fist angry at people and defend Iron Bull's BDSM practices. ♥ I can live with this, haha!

[EggplantRed]

Yes when unreasonable stuff pops up that threatens our lovable Bull, we don't release the Kraken. We release the Sui 

[stop_him]

I finally got to see IB in all his glory, as did Cullen:

 

Spoiler

 

[denise12184]

I think most of Skyhold must have seen Iron bull in all his glory Ever notice how no one bothers closing the door when they leave? And there's always that random scout that keeps walking by...

[SweetTeaholic]

I think most of Skyhold must have seen Iron bull in all his glory Ever notice how no one bothers closing the door when they leave? And there's always that random scout that keeps walking by...

 

Apparently people never heard what knocking is.

 

That or people really like Qunari dongers. 

[Sui Causa]

Here is Iron Bulls art on the "Hissrad" card in the Dragon Age mobile game.

 

I can't even begin to contain all of my leg humping feels right now, holy maker protect my soul. unf unf unf.

 

(I think this pretty much proves that people do in fact just like qunari dongers)

[SweetTeaholic]

Here is Iron Bulls art on the "Hissrad" card in the Dragon Age mobile game.

 

I can't even begin to contain all of my leg humping feels right now, holy maker protect my soul. unf unf unf.

 

(I think this pretty much proves that people do in fact just like qunari dongers)

 

^{_{Bioware, you hinting at something here?}} 

 

 I saw this on Tumblr earlier and it's some nice artwork (most of the HoDA stuff though is pretty though, even if I haven't played the game myself)

 

And trust me Sui, they're very well aware about there fanbase obsession with Qunari and alien dongers.

[Riftwalker]

Guys! I don´t know if this has been commented but, last night I remembered someone asking (several pages ago xd) why Iron Bull behaved different with Vivienne. Is it maybe because she resembles a Tamassran? Of course we dont have info of how they are like actually, but perhaps Iron Bull finds some near similar traits in her ? And thats why he carries out her indications? What do you think?      

 

He does - they flat out talk about it in party banter if you take them out together enough. It's sort of assumed that it's because she's tall and wears a hat that vaguely resembles qunari horns, but I think it's probably more than that. Vivienne is a creature of order in everything that she does, and she spends her time with the Inquisition trying to put everyone and everything in its place, from the furnishings in Skyhold right down to her intense desire to re-establish the Circles. The Tamassrans are the qunari responsible for pretty much shaping the whole of qunari society - they choose who breeds with whom, raise the children, assign their roles, take care of those who are no longer able to perform.

 

I'm guessing that Vivienne's personality resonated with Bull in a very strong way from the moment of their first interaction - and everything she said or did in Skyhold or in party kind of reinforces that attitude. If, by some twist of fate, she becomes Divine, the first thing she does is re-establish the Circles and build a new Templar Order, one she can keep under a tight leash, essentially putting everything back in its place. If you managed to displease her, her first reaction isn't to yell at you or leave, it's to deliberately mess up all that order she's carefully put into place just to irritate you.

 

You remember that bit of dialogue with Bull, where he tells you for a second, he thinks you could have been a qunari? Yeah - I think Vivienne, in his head, is pretty much like that all the time.

[Mengor]

He does - they flat out talk about it in party banter if you take them out together enough. It's sort of assumed that it's because she's tall and wears a hat that vaguely resembles qunari horns, but I think it's probably more than that. Vivienne is a creature of order in everything that she does, and she spends her time with the Inquisition trying to put everyone and everything in its place, from the furnishings in Skyhold right down to her intense desire to re-establish the Circles. The Tamassrans are the qunari responsible for pretty much shaping the whole of qunari society - they choose who breeds with whom, raise the children, assign their roles, take care of those who are no longer able to perform.

 

I'm guessing that Vivienne's personality resonated with Bull in a very strong way from the moment of their first interaction - and everything she said or did in Skyhold or in party kind of reinforces that attitude. If, by some twist of fate, she becomes Divine, the first thing she does is re-establish the Circles and build a new Templar Order, one she can keep under a tight leash, essentially putting everything back in its place. If you managed to displease her, her first reaction isn't to yell at you or leave, it's to deliberately mess up all that order she's carefully put into place just to irritate you.

 

You remember that bit of dialogue with Bull, where he tells you for a second, he thinks you could have been a qunari? Yeah - I think Vivienne, in his head, is pretty much like that all the time.

 

Oh.. so they do talk about that a bit. I missed that I suppose Thanks for confirming it I had just a bare theory. Ahhh...Iron Bull so much to investigate about  . It´s like Denise said...Iron Bull is such a deep deep science to explore...   

[Mengor]

I think most of Skyhold must have seen Iron bull in all his glory Ever notice how no one bothers closing the door when they leave? And there's always that random scout that keeps walking by...

 

I might have to send that scout to trial...  So he can tell me what the hell is going on. Under no circumstances am I accepting  a threesome   He better gives me a reasonable explanation or else...

[denise12184]

I might have to send that scout to trial...  So he can tell me what the hell is going on. Under no circumstances am I accepting  a threesome   He better gives me a reasonable explanation or else...

It's like Josie said...Who wouldn't be a little curious?

 

On another note....moving sucks. My WoT2 somehow got packed and sits in storage Kicking myself now

[Mengor]

It's like Josie said...Who wouldn't be a little curious?

 

On another note....moving sucks. My WoT2 somehow got packed and sits in storage Kicking myself now

 

I understand that moving must be a whole mess. Still, go and get it . Its pretty cool! You should give it a try!

 

As extra note... Ugh, I haven´t started my 4th story...I just cant seem to find the desired words haha xd. Maybe I should re-read Sui´s Game of Sticks to recharge the inspiration. (Some rest to my brain should work too lol) And why that specific fic? Because of reasons ...  Mwuahaha.."Evil laughter"

[Joe25]

I finally got to see IB in all his glory, as did Cullen:

 

Spoiler

 

Iron Bull: Cullen draw me like one of those Orlesian girls.

[Joe25]

I just got the picture of a young Iron Bull as a frat boy in my head.  I question is he the kind that walks around in a polo and pastel shorts, or the kind that walks around in a tank top, cargo short and ripped jeans? 

[denise12184]

I understand that moving must be a whole mess. Still, go and get it . Its pretty cool! You should give it a try!

 

As extra note... Ugh, I haven´t started my 4th story...I just cant seem to find the desired words haha xd. Maybe I should re-read Sui´s Game of Sticks to recharge the inspiration. (Some rest to my brain should work too lol) And why that specific fic? Because of reasons ...  Mwuahaha.."Evil laughter"

The problem is that the box it's in is in a storage unit with a bunch of other boxes...we're really cramming them in there to avoid renting another unit. Alas, it will have to stay put until moving day.

[Mengor]

I just got the picture of a young Iron Bull as a frat boy in my head.  I question is he the kind that walks around in a polo and pastel shorts, or the kind that walks around in a tank top, cargo short and ripped jeans? 

 

Those ripped jeans would be...tight to his legs ? to... all dat area   nnngghhh? Answering your question...why not xD? Its all up to our kinkies fantasies. Correct? I don´t know about fashion though.   

[Joe25]

Those ripped jeans would be...tight to his legs ? to... all dat area   nnngghhh? Answering your question...why not xD? Its all up to our kinkies fantasies. Correct? I don´t know about fashion though.   

Oh, don't forget the rip in the crotch that make Friday the best day of the week.    

[EggplantRed]

I think he'd be the tank top and ripped jeans guy. Gotta show off the guns LOL

[Riftwalker]

Oh.. so they do talk about that a bit. I missed that I suppose Thanks for confirming it I had just a bare theory. Ahhh...Iron Bull so much to investigate about  . It´s like Denise said...Iron Bull is such a deep deep science to explore...   

 

He's weirdly one of the more complex characters in the game, more so because he doesn't appear to be that complex on the surface. But the more I look at him and look at the Qun, the more I kind of lean towards it being intentional on his part - he doesn't want to appear complex. With Bull, the fascination kind of lies not in all the stories he tells you, but the stories he isn't telling you, and won't tell you.

 

...I kind of like him a lot

[SweetTeaholic]

I think he'd be the tank top and ripped jeans guy. Gotta show off the guns LOL

 

And have him wear one that says "suns out, guns out"

[Excella Gionne]

Too sexy for his clothes.     

[Mengor]

I finally got to see IB in all his glory, as did Cullen:

 

Spoiler

 

 

By the way. Now you have seen Iron Bull in all his glory its time for you to get Flycam and expand your possibilities for moar glory

 

In that scene theres something that makes me wonder. Right after Josephine says "Who wouldn´t be a little curious..." Cullen can be seen smiling. So I wonder if he is just having fun of Quizzy (most likely lol) or he got really amazed of Bull. I reckon Cullen should be more honest with both his feelings and tastes.

 

 

He's weirdly one of the more complex characters in the game, more so because he doesn't appear to be that complex on the surface. But the more I look at him and look at the Qun, the more I kind of lean towards it being intentional on his part - he doesn't want to appear complex. With Bull, the fascination kind of lies not in all the stories he tells you, but the stories he isn't telling you, and won't tell you.

 

...I kind of like him a lot

 

Yup  . I find that kind of interesting and kinky somehow xD. In fact, that´s the reason I was expecting to find out more about him in World of Thedas 2. The book covers that part, I mean Iron Bull´s history...but thats sort of short...I wanted more data and stuff about him .