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[denise12184]

*hugs Dorian* Poor Baby. No one likes my tiny Tevinter.

[Ryzaki]

lol

 

Plenty love him. I just don't

[Arlee]

*hugs Dorian* Poor Baby. No one likes my tiny Tevinter.

 

Nah, he's got his own rabid following

 

About him acting like you were friends when he didn't join the Inquisition... that could have been a bug. I know there are a couple where the approval ratings didn't seem to translate correctly. Though, if he never joined than you're probably just neutral to him so there wouldn't be any reason for him to outright dislike you. Curious if there was any difference in the dialogue though.

[sandalisthemaker]

*hugs Dorian* Poor Baby. No one likes my tiny Tevinter.

 

I love Dorian.

 

I'm taking him and Bull almost everywhere in my current playthrough. 

[Sui Causa]

OMG on the note of Qun bull. I was browsing tumblr and this quote by Fenris IS SO FITTING.

 

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“He ordered me to kill them. So I did. I killed them all.” … “It felt inevitable. My master had returned and this, this fantasy life was over.”

*cries forever*

Yeah, I saw this too. The Qun is basically slavery, so it makes sense, right? It breaks it's members to the point where there's absolutely nothing left. They will never have precious cow husband!

 

I also love Dorian, maybe not quiiiiite as much as Iron Bull, but he's definitely my second favorite in Inquisition. He deserves to be happy however he gets it. I am still mostly terrified of Dorian's fandom however, seeing as they seem to cross over freely with the people who will talk crap about Iron Bull. At least those people have been forcibly shut up thanks to Trespasser, the Dev's really took care of the adoribull fandom there, so sweet. ♥

 

Either way, they are both precious whether they are together or with their Inquisitors. (Or both. Definitely prefer both.) Out of all my hopes and dreams for DA4, the biggest is to know for sure that they're both alive and happy.

[vertigomez]

Just dropping by to say that Bull is the Actual Greatest and deserves All The Things.

(All the good things and the fun things and the hug things.)

ALL OF THEM.

ahem alright i'm gud

[Sable Rhapsody]

Just dropping by to say that Bull is the Actual Greatest and deserves All The Things.

 

I have so many feels about Bull after Trespasser.

 

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I liked him just fine in the base game, but I never thought in-depth about the character.  He was my big, funny, dragon-smashing bro.  But man, the difference between qun!Bull and Tal-Vashoth Bull during Trespasser.  That is what got me to really think about him seriously, and now replaying the campaign with a different PC, I pick through the layers in Bull's dialogue as aggressively as Solas's.  I can't believe how many intricacies I glossed over during the first playthrough.

[Mengor]

Yeah, I saw this too. The Qun is basically slavery, so it makes sense, right? It breaks it's members to the point where there's absolutely nothing left. They will never have precious cow husband!

 

I also love Dorian, maybe not quiiiiite as much as Iron Bull, but he's definitely my second favorite in Inquisition. He deserves to be happy however he gets it. I am still mostly terrified of Dorian's fandom however, seeing as they seem to cross over freely with the people who will talk crap about Iron Bull. At least those people have been forcibly shut up thanks to Trespasser, the Dev's really took care of the adoribull fandom there, so sweet. ♥

 

Either way, they are both precious whether they are together or with their Inquisitors. (Or both. Definitely prefer both.) Out of all my hopes and dreams for DA4, the biggest is to know for sure that they're both alive and happy.

 

Just dropping by to say that Bull is the Actual Greatest and deserves All The Things.

(All the good things and the fun things and the hug things.)

ALL OF THEM.

ahem alright i'm gud

 

Glad to see you again guys. Honestly I have missed you a lot  ...You need to visit the forum a bit more often xD. I understand Inquisition is over, but still...

 

Sui. Could you remind me what was your tumblir again please? I love killing some time peaking at Iron Bull stuff   I can´t find it xD.

[vertigomez]

I have so many feels about Bull after Trespasser.
 

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I liked him just fine in the base game, but I never thought in-depth about the character.  He was my big, funny, dragon-smashing bro.  But man, the difference between qun!Bull and Tal-Vashoth Bull during Trespasser.  That is what got me to really think about him seriously, and now replaying the campaign with a different PC, I pick through the layers in Bull's dialogue as aggressively as Solas's.  I can't believe how many intricacies I glossed over during the first playthrough.

HE IS LIKE AN ONION

SO MANY LAYERS

Reminds me of the comments folks made about Bull and Solas's chess game:

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It's great not only for the character interaction, but because it reveals so much about Bull & Solas's values.

Bull will preserve his men even if it doesn't have long term rewards. This mirrors the story quest which unlocks the chess game.

Solas will sacrifice everything if it guarantees victory at the end. Solas holds that the ends justify the means and, despite his small desire for redemption, mirrors his overall story.

Glad to see you again guys. Honestly I have missed you a lot  ...You need to visit the forum a bit more often xD. I understand Inquisition is over, but still...

I can't speak for anybody else but I had to take a lil DA fandom break because there was sooo much drama llama. It's good to be back, though.

[Sable Rhapsody]

HE IS LIKE AN ONION

SO MANY LAYERS

 

A big, boisterous, wonderful, pillow-y onion

 

I've never played his romance, but I have a fierce love and appreciation for the character now.  

 

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And as a point of comparison for his character development, just look at how different he is from when you first meet him, to the birthday party with the Chargers.  On the surface, he's largely the same.  Casual, easy-going, to-the-point.  But underneath, he's so much more relaxed with quizzy in Trespasser.  He knows them.  He trusts them enough to mess with them.  He basically includes them in the Chargers.  They're not just his guys anymore, however friendly he was when you first meet him.  They're his family, and that warmth really shines through the whole scene.

 

(ok done rambling)

[Xilizhra]

Question: what are the party distributions of people who use Iron Bull a lot? I virtually never use him; not because I dislike him, but because I have no place for a DPS warrior in my party. Maybe if I played a rogue, it'd be different.

[InfinitePaths]

Question: what are the party distributions of people who use Iron Bull a lot? I virtually never use him; not because I dislike him, but because I have no place for a DPS warrior in my party. Maybe if I played a rogue, it'd be different.

On my hard difficulty playthrough I run a party with no tank, but with everyone who manages to survive on their own, and do tons of damage.

 

Inquisitor: Knight Enchanter tanky/damage build.

Iron Bull: DPS/tanky build. (The Vanguard tree has some AMAZING survivability and even DPS abilities such as Livid )

Sera: Full DPS, but uses the stealthy rouge tree to gain threat reduction, and well...stealth.

Dorian: Support/DPS mage, who manages to stay safe in fights due to the threat reduction abilities in the support tree.

[Ryzaki]

Question: what are the party distributions of people who use Iron Bull a lot? I virtually never use him; not because I dislike him, but because I have no place for a DPS warrior in my party. Maybe if I played a rogue, it'd be different.

 

I just turn him into a S&S tank. Or I run with Cass, Vivienne and Dorian/Solas with my PC as a rogue.

 

This is on nightmare.

[sandalisthemaker]

Question: what are the party distributions of people who use Iron Bull a lot? I virtually never use him; not because I dislike him, but because I have no place for a DPS warrior in my party. Maybe if I played a rogue, it'd be different.

 

I almost always play a dual dagger rogue.  Between my DPS and Bull's we pretty much annihilate everything.  I got through the Descent, for example, without a scratch except for the final boss, who was rather cheap TBH. 

 

Until I can get Bull to hold his own and basically function as both a tank and a DPS, Cassandra or Blackwall are a must. As is Barrier support from Dorian or Vivienne.

 

I find that crafting is essential for Bull to be effective. Give him lots of melee defense.  I tend not to use Fade Touched Silverite to generate crazy guard because to me that is a bit cheap.  I go deep into the Vanguard tree, but keep him a Two-Hander. The new ability that replaced Unbowed -  Livid -  is great for Bull. It boosts his damage and defense, and gives him guard with the upgrade without gaining aggro. 

 

Eventually, I can get to the point where I don't need a tank and Bull basically becomes a DPS tank.  (on normal difficulty. I have no time for higher difficulties ATM).   The trick is setting Bull's behavior to keep him from drinking potions until he's just about to fall.  Let him take damage but also build guard, so that he has almost no health left, but is still untouchable to maximize his Reaver abilities. 

[InfinitePaths]

 I go deep into the Vanguard tree, but keep him a Two-Hander. The new ability that replaced Unbowed -  Livid -  is great for Bull. It boosts his damage and defense, and gives him guard with the upgrade without gaining aggro. 

 

 

Livid is, like, the dream ability for Two-Hander builds which aim to get up close and personal, do damage and still survive! It's absolutely amazing.

[Xilizhra]

I just turn him into a S&S tank. Or I run with Cass, Vivienne and Dorian/Solas with my PC as a rogue.

 

This is on nightmare.

Now Vivienne, I don't use because I hate her.

 

 

I almost always play a dual dagger rogue.  Between my DPS and Bull's we pretty much annihilate everything.  I got through the Descent, for example, without a scratch except for the final boss, who was rather cheap TBH. 

 

Until I can get Bull to hold his own and basically function as both a tank and a DPS, Cassandra or Blackwall are a must. As is Barrier support from Dorian or Vivienne.

 

I find that crafting is essential for Bull to be effective. Give him lots of melee defense.  I tend not to use Fade Touched Silverite to generate crazy guard because to me that is a bit cheap.  I go deep into the Vanguard tree, but keep him a Two-Hander. The new ability that replaced Unbowed -  Livid -  is great for Bull. It boosts his damage and defense, and gives him guard with the upgrade without gaining aggro. 

 

Eventually, I can get to the point where I don't need a tank and Bull basically becomes a DPS tank.  (on normal difficulty. I have no time for higher difficulties ATM).   The trick is setting Bull's behavior to keep him from drinking potions until he's just about to fall.  Let him take damage but also build guard, so that he has almost no health left, but is still untouchable to maximize his Reaver abilities. 

This might be worthwhile if I ever play that DW dwarf rogue I've considered, but... playing a dwarf's always made me feel slightly ill, for spatial reasons.

[Ryzaki]

Now Vivienne, I don't use because I hate her.

 

Yeah but you always play mages though right? So just stick with Dorian/Solas (i don't tend to have more than 2 mages in a group cause I HAVE to have a rogue and a warrior).

[Mengor]

So max lv is 27 I suppose? Today I noticed my quizzy wasn´t gaining any exp from mobs or codex

[SweetTeaholic]

@Vertigomez: Holy crap! I never picked up on that before (talking about the chess thing),

[Ryzaki]

So max lv is 27 I suppose? Today I noticed my quizzy wasn´t gaining any exp from mobs or codex

 

Yeah I think so. I have never reached the cap D:

[Ryzaki]

WOAH. I just figured out you can make Erastunus tranquil (or however his name is spelled) to get the information and he agrees to it since the pain will stop.

 

That's so sad

[Sable Rhapsody]

WOAH. I just figured out you can make Erastunus tranquil (or however his name is spelled) to get the information and he agrees to it since the pain will stop.

 

That's so sad

 

 

...is that Calpernia's old master?

[Ryzaki]

 

...is that Calpernia's old master?

 

Yep and he's apparently happen as a tranquil (as much as a tranquil can be happy) too according to Leliana.

[Mengor]

How about this setup for Nightmare guys?

 

- Quizzy Dwarf Bow Rogue (I´ve been always curious)

- Bull Dps 2handed

- Dorian. (Cause I admit I am interested in spirit dmg skills. And If I get Knight enchanter again from Viv..It would be very easy probably)

- Blackwall as tank...maybe.

 

Oh and another thing. In my last pt Viv was selected again as a Divine, Anyone could tell me the requeriments to make Divine Cassandra or Leliana? I am also curious to see the differences in Exalted Council later on.

[Hellion Rex]

How about this setup for Nightmare guys?

 

- Quizzy Dwarf Bow Rogue (I´ve been always curious)

- Bull Dps 2handed

- Dorian. (Cause I admit I am interested in spirit dmg skills. And If I get Knight enchanter again from Viv..It would be very easy probably)

- Blackwall as tank...maybe.

 

Oh and another thing. In my last pt Viv was selected again as a Divine, Anyone could tell me the requeriments to make Divine Cassandra or Leliana? I am also curious to see the differences in Exalted Council later on.

To get Divine Cass, I'm pretty sure that you ought to be friends with her, and just talk to her a lot. When it gets close to the end, she'll bring it up and you offer her your support.