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[Ryzaki]

My favorite team is Bull, Cole, and Dorian. Also not the greatest at combat, but I love them Add my Adaar and they are my Quartet of Kickass. I also bring Solas along on occasion specifically for the chess game, and Sera for the mayhem.

 

Whatever happens with Solas, I really want the quizzy to be involved. Like you said, it's doubtful, but I hope. I also hope fighting Solas can be avoided.

 

I never like the strong combat teams And yeah I usually play mage/archer so I can at least always drag Bull around.

 

Yeah I really really hope Quizzy can be involved. And if I can knock some sense into Solas that'll work too.

 

But if Quizzy is reduced to Hawke like where they're talking without my input I'll feel so sad. I can't.

[denise12184]

Yeah, if the inquisitor is just going to be given the same generic lines that every Hawke had, I'd rather not see her at all. I made one of my Hawkes a blood mage just for fun. Seeing her foam at the mouth about blood magic was...interesting to say the least. I'm actually way more attached to my inquisitor, and I'd hate to see that happen to her.

[Ryzaki]

Yeah, if the inquisitor is just going to be given the same generic lines that every Hawke had, I'd rather not see her at all. I made one of my Hawkes a blood mage just for fun. Seeing her foam at the mouth about blood magic was...interesting to say the least. I'm actually way more attached to my inquisitor, and I'd hate to see that happen to her.

 

The only quizzy who actually fit the foaming at the mouth bloodmagic lines was my rival mancing Aggressive Hawke My snarky Hawke wouldn't have gotten that angry over it. If he can crack jokes while holding his mother's dying body he's not gonna lose his **** over some warden mages being idiots.

 

And yeah that happening to my stoic quizzy good lord no.

[Ryzaki]

Bumping to ask a question. Does anyone have a certain quest order they do the romance conversations in? I'm trying to spread them out instead of bursting through all of them like I usually do.

[Mengor]

Bumping to ask a question. Does anyone have a certain quest order they do the romance conversations in? I'm trying to spread them out instead of bursting through all of them like I usually do.

 

i am not really sure if this is what you asked but I don´t pay much attention to conversation order. As for romance cutscenes with Bull I always do it like this:

 

Spoiler

1.In haven I clear all the conversations
2.As soon as I reach to Skyhold: again minor conversations, meeting with the chargers and his quest in Storm Coast.
3. After that I create a different save game (this will be the slot I´ll be overwriting over and over) so I have the other slot without saving and I can trigger: Bull´s ambush + Ride the Bull + Relationship rules cutscene.
4. Once I return from the fade and previously killed a dragon I make another separate save. And I link: Drinking with Bull + Quinari trainning + Tough Love cutscene, in that order.
5. When I finish W.Palace I make another different save (yes too many xD) to replay "That was good" scene as much as I want  .
6. And last but not least I make a final different save exactly during the feast, after kicking Coripants. And I can admire "Boss, you have a minute part" + Balcony scene.

 

Maybe you guys could recommend me another way to make less saves xD? Thing is I don´t want to miss anything from him, but yeah Ryzaki, that´s the order I use   

 

Edit: ermm...this is silly but, how I unlock more beds guys xD? This classic bed is just boring. At this rate I´ll have to get the quinari dlc for something special

[denise12184]

I try to pace them a bit...try being the keyword. What I actually end up doing most of the time is breezing through them all and making new saves at the beginning of each one.
If I'm feeling especially patient, I'll space them out around the main quests. I did that my first game and still had a lot of side quests to get done after WEWH, so it still seemed like there was a long stretch of no romance content. On another, I got most of the side stuff out of the way first and that seemed to help the pacing a bit better, but it's still tough. Mostly I just do the kiss a lot.

[Ryzaki]

i am not really sure if this is what you asked but I don´t pay much attention to conversation order. As for romance cutscenes with Bull I always do it like this:

 

Spoiler

1.In haven I clear all the conversations
2.As soon as I reach to Skyhold: again minor conversations, meeting with the chargers and his quest in Storm Coast.
3. After that I create a different save game (this will be the slot I´ll be overwriting over and over) so I have the other slot without saving and I can trigger: Bull´s ambush + Ride the Bull + Relationship rules cutscene.
4. Once I return from the fade and previously killed a dragon I make another separate save. And I link: Drinking with Bull + Quinari trainning + Tough Love cutscene, in that order.
5. When I finish W.Palace I make another different save (yes too many xD) to replay "That was good" scene as much as I want  .
6. And last but not least I make a final different save exactly during the feast, after kicking Coripants. And I can admire "Boss, you have a minute part" + Balcony scene.

 

Maybe you guys could recommend me another way to make less saves xD? Thing is I don´t want to miss anything from him, but yeah Ryzaki, that´s the order I use   

 

Edit: ermm...this is silly but, how I unlock more beds guys xD? This classic bed is just boring. At this rate I´ll have to get the quinari dlc for something special

 

Yeah I usually have all my conversations by the time WIWH happens. I frontload too often then I end up starved for romance content later. It hurts DX

 

Actually I have 2 saves for the romance 1 for pre dragon necklace and another for post dragon necklace since I had stored the conversations up til then. But that was simply for replaying the scenes directly purposes.

 

I think on my next playthrough I'm gonna start the romance before ITA but not do any of the other scenes until after Winter Palace. Least that way it'll feel like they've had some time to go from FWB to lovers.

 

I try to pace them a bit...try being the keyword. What I actually end up doing most of the time is breezing through them all and making new saves at the beginning of each one.
If I'm feeling especially patient, I'll space them out around the main quests. I did that my first game and still had a lot of side quests to get done after WEWH, so it still seemed like there was a long stretch of no romance content. On another, I got most of the side stuff out of the way first and that seemed to help the pacing a bit better, but it's still tough. Mostly I just do the kiss a lot.

 

XD

 

I do the same thing I blow through all of Bull's convos at  Haven as soon as I get him, then the same at skyhold.

I'm gonna do more side content too. I usually stick to the main quests (well that and killing dragons).

 

But I really want to save the dragon necklace til after the winter palace for a change.

 

Edit: Also Mengor if you want more beds you can buy them in the Val Royeux market. One of the stores sells beds.

[Mengor]

Yeah I usually have all my conversations by the time WIWH happens. I frontload too often then I end up starved for romance content later. It hurts DX

 

Actually I have 2 saves for the romance 1 for pre dragon necklace and another for post dragon necklace since I had stored the conversations up til then. But that was simply for replaying the scenes directly purposes.

 

I think on my next playthrough I'm gonna start the romance before ITA but not do any of the other scenes until after Winter Palace. Least that way it'll feel like they've had some time to go from FWB to lovers.

 

 

XD

 

I do the same thing I blow through all of Bull's convos at  Haven as soon as I get him, then the same at skyhold.

I'm gonna do more side content too. I usually stick to the main quests (well that and killing dragons).

 

But I really want to save the dragon necklace til after the winter palace for a change.

 

Edit: Also Mengor if you want more beds you can buy them in the Val Royeux market. One of the stores sells beds.

 

Oh, I forgot to mention that I make an extra save inside Winter Palace, just before telling Cullen what to do, so I can hear Bull complaining about not enough cheese dip. I am trying to get some good shots with Flycam in Winter Palace as well

[Ryzaki]

Oh, I forgot to mention that I make an extra save inside Winter Palace, just before telling Cullen what to do, so I can hear Bull complaining about not enough cheese dip. I am trying to get some good shots with Flycam in Winter Palace as well

 

Oh I always make a save there just in case I want to make a different choice. I tend to blackmail though because wiping that smug look off Florian's face is soooooo worth it.

[FreakyDarling]

Random, but did y'all see what Bull is wearing in the new lithograph?

[SweetTeaholic]

Random, but did y'all see what Bull is wearing in the new lithograph?

 

Yes, Good.

[thats1evildude]

I was curious: does the Iron Bull alter any of his romance dialogue if you're a qunari?

[SweetTeaholic]

I was curious: does the Iron Bull alter any of his romance dialogue if you're a qunari?

 

Sadly, no. My canon Quizy is a female Adaar and after playing his romance tons of times, nothing came up. Shame though, being Bull (along Tal Vashoth) and Adaar is full of character development between that I wish Bioware played more with. Oh well, headcanons it is then.

[Ryzaki]

Sadly, no. My canon Quizy is a female Adaar and after playing his romance tons of times, nothing came up. Shame though, being Bull (along Tal Vashoth) and Adaar is full of character development between that I wish Bioware played more with. Oh well, headcanons it is then.

 

oh god tell me about it.

 

Especially with how much he snaps at you when you compare you to him. But noooooo. That could've rivaled or been better than Fenris and Mage Hawke but nope

[thats1evildude]

Ah, pity. There's a good joke to be made there about getting a taste of home.

[SweetTeaholic]

oh god tell me about it.

 

Especially with how much he snaps at you when you compare you to him. But noooooo. That could've rivaled or been better than Fenris and Mage Hawke but nope

 

Wait, what; where does he say this?

 

But no, srsly; you missed a chance to make a meaningful and deep romance if you do so with a Qunari Inquisitor. A Tal Vashoth!Bull could learn from Adaar and not only that; shows him that he won't be the monster he fears he'll become without the Qun. Same rules apply if an Adaar is just friends with him.

 

Yet again, I'm just salty there's little Adaar content to begin with (I know Cadash players have the same problem as well.)

[denise12184]

The whole 'You're NOT qunari" thing, I'm assuming. It does seem like he gets rather pissy about it, but I understood later why the distinction was so important to him. It didn't bother me once I'd finished his romance.

 

I once made a redheaded mage Adaar in the hopes of maximizing dialogue with Bull. Sadly, not a darn thing was different. I agree that so much potential was lost with that. In my headcanon, my Adaar and Bull had a bit of a rough start until she figured him out a bit more.

 

I also agree with SweetTeaholic. I've romanced him with a Trevelyan and about five Adaars, and the Adaar romance is, in my personal opinion, more fulfilling because of all that.

[Ryzaki]

Wait, what; where does he say this?

 

But no, srsly; you missed a chance to make a meaningful and deep romance if you do so with a Qunari Inquisitor. A Tal Vashoth!Bull could learn from Adaar and not only that; shows him that he won't be the monster he fears he'll become without the Qun. Same rules apply if an Adaar is just friends with him.

 

Yet again, I'm just salty there's little Adaar content to begin with (I know Cadash players have the same problem as well.)

 

As denise said they whole "you're not Qunari" thing.

 

I did make a Qunari Inquisitor actually and romanced him and regretted it. I wanted to punch him. A lot. If they had come to an understanding like my mage Hawke and Fenris had I could get into it but as it is I rather romance him with a human or an elf. I made him a fem mage Adaar in hopes that it'd be something I could sink my teeth into. It really wasn't.

 

Agreed it's a damn shame.

[SweetTeaholic]

As denise said they whole "you're not Qunari" thing.

 

I did make a Qunari Inquisitor actually and romanced him and regretted it. I wanted to punch him. A lot. If they had come to an understanding like my mage Hawke and Fenris had I could get into it but as it is I rather romance him with a human or an elf. I made him a fem mage Adaar in hopes that it'd be something I could sink my teeth into. It really wasn't.

 

Agreed it's a damn shame.

 

Oh, that part! Ok, I know what you're referring to now and yeah; other than that convo and post-DotQ if you save the Chargers, there wasn't much of that which saddened me. 

 

May I ask, how come you regret it? It's hard for me to not romance Bull with anyone else but an Adaar. I wuv my Tal Vashoth nerds.

 

 Sadly, not a darn thing was different. I agree that so much potential was lost with that. In my headcanon, my Adaar and Bull had a bit of a rough start until she figured him out a bit more.

 

I also agree with SweetTeaholic. I've romanced him with a Trevelyan and about five Adaars, and the Adaar romance is, in my personal opinion, more fulfilling because of all that.

 

 

That's my headcanon too (which makes sense being, well; Tal Vashoth and Ben Hassrath mix as well as you expect). So to see the two grow mutual respect for eachother before becoming friends and then lovers is a big deal for me. I'm always a **** for character development. 

[Ryzaki]

Oh, that part! Ok, I know what you're referring to now and yeah; other than that convo and post-DotQ if you save the Chargers, there wasn't much of that which saddened me. 

 

May I ask, how come you regret it? It's hard for me to not romance Bull with anyone else but an Adaar. I wuv my Tal Vashoth nerds.

 

Yeah I always save the chargers so it wasn't like I made him a Qunari it's just. He felt so slap worthy on the subject of Tal Vashoth.

 

Because I thought it was gonna be passionate like rival!Fenris and mage Hawke and it very much is not. It's not even the understanding of Friend!Fenris and mage Hawke either. It's just "you're not Qunari. You don't count as Tal Vashoth. End of story."

 

Like. Screw you too dude.

 

If there had been some back and forth I could've gotten into it but it was just him shutting me down.

[denise12184]

I think that's why I like Adaar so much. His reaction comes from fear and Adaar is his first example that all Tal-Vashoth aren't the same. It's one of the few times where there's ever a hint of vulnerability with Bull, and he's just so laid back about everything...I dunno, like SweetTea said, character growth. And Bull's qunari. The way things are is the way things are as far as their concerned. Seeing him come around to a different point of view is one of the things I love about the romance.

 

I did wanna smack him the first time around though. First Adaar is Tal Vashoth, not qunari. Then, nope! Not Tal-Vashoth either. Not really. Come on, man! Make up your mind already.

 

But I always figured he's just still hung up on the Qun, and what he's seen and been taught about TV doesn't fit Adaar, so she(he) must be something else. Kind of like Sten and his insistence that a female warden can't fight and be female at the same time- just one of those Qun quirks.

 

I rambled on more than I meant to, but I actually like that bit of friction between them in the beginning. Fenris was the same way. He never really came around to mages, but mage Hawke was just an exception. Even at the end, I never got the feeling he was protecting the mages for any other reason than having Hawke's back, if that was how he/she chose to go.

[Ryzaki]

I think that's why I like Adaar so much. His reaction comes from fear and Adaar is his first example that all Tal-Vashoth aren't the same. It's one of the few times where there's ever a hint of vulnerability with Bull, and he's just so laid back about everything...I dunno, like SweetTea said, character growth. And Bull's qunari. The way things are is the way things are as far as their concerned. Seeing him come around to a different point of view is one of the things I love about the romance.

 

I did wanna smack him the first time around though. First Adaar is Tal Vashoth, not qunari. Then, nope! Not Tal-Vashoth either. Not really. Come on, man! Make up your mind already.

 

But I always figured he's just still hung up on the Qun, and what he's seen and been taught about TV doesn't fit Adaar, so she(he) must be something else. Kind of like Sten and his insistence that a female warden can't fight and be female at the same time- just one of those Qun quirks.

 

I rambled on more than I meant to, but I actually like that bit of friction between them in the beginning. Fenris was the same way. He never really came around to mages, but mage Hawke was just an exception. Even at the end, I never got the feeling he was protecting the mages for any other reason than having Hawke's back, if that was how he/she chose to go.

 

Yes I think my issue is it's not expanded upon. It's just a quick glance and then it's back to normal. And that bummed me out.

 

AND YES THAT IS EXACTLY HOW I FELT.

 

If only we could've called him on it

 

Noooo I like the ramblings. They're helpful and lovely

 

But see my thing is with Fenris is he does acknowledge all mages aren't the same. He just doesn't trust himself with that power thus extends that to all mages as well. ("I don't doubt some are good and noble men but how many temptations do you offer a man before he gives in?") So he goes with them being weak willed/malicious by default unless they prove otherwise. Where's Bull doesn't even give me that much. (It also helps that Fenris will always have at least 1 mage he'll get along with whether Hawke or Bethany regardless of what you play.) Like my PC wanted to go "thanks for insulting my parents bro."

 

But yeah Fenris sided with the mages because of his trust in Hawke (or if you compare the mages to slaves at the gallows with 80 rivalry/friendship). But Hawke's not the only exception Fenris can have. It just takes time to get under that spiky armor

 

I think I'd like the friction more if I felt it got resolved one conversation dealing with him being Tal Vashoth (after a while after the assassination attempt) would've been nice. 

[denise12184]

Bull will acknowledge all TV aren't the same. He says that the inquisitor isn't one of the ones he hates in Haven, for instance. And then I always say my merc band was mostly TV just to mess with him and he'll grumble and say it's better than being bandits. He's stubborn about it, but he gives a little here and there. He equates Tal-Vashoth with what he saw in Seheron, and honestly, they did some pretty heinous stuff, so I'm not sure I can blame him. Besides, his job was hunting them down. It's always easier to see the enemy as a monster. Bull mentions in a banter with Cole that he has a trick for making people not people, so I always figured it was more of that.

 

I really think the difference between him and Fenris is that while both have have their issues, only Bull is afraid of actually becoming what he fears. Fenris has seen the dark side of magic, but that's as far as it goes for him. He has no real worry of ever having to actually face that temptation and succumb. If you take him into the Fade, it's a real wake up call. (or he blames Hawke, if I recall, when in a rivalry) Bull, on the other hand, has probably been taught all his life that any path outside of the Qun leads to exactly what he's afraid of. I forgot about Fenris' eventual acceptance of Bethany. (Most of my Hawkes were mages) but that's a good point, but aside from Adaar, Bull doesn't have much experience with TV outside of Seheron.

 

I'm not trying to argue anyone's opinion or what they took from the game. This is all just my view on it.

 

ETA: Agreed, though, on one last conversation to wrap things up one way or another. Could have been done after another round with the stick or something.

[Ryzaki]

See this is why rambling is good I had forgotten about the Haven comment. See my issue with the Tal Vasoth thing is he doesn't do the same with Mages and Tevinter so I don't really buy the excuse with Tal Vashoth.

 

Oh god I love that part to pieces. And yeah that's my issue with Bull. He doesn't have much personal experience with TV outside the ones he was fighting and he uses propaganda to paint them all with the same brush. And you call him on this and it's brushed off.

 

Same. I'm not trying to say anyone shouldn't like the ship or anything. I'm just saying why it doesn't work for me. It would need more content for me to prefer it. As it is I just feel odd doing it. (Plus my girl got pretty aggravated with the whole the Qun keeps most of them sane crapola she was a devout Andrastian.)

 

lol yes. That would've worked.

[denise12184]

Personal bias, I suppose. Bull's never, as far as we know, been personally injured by a mage. We know he's lost friends to TV, so I would agree that prejudice is definitely a factor. See, the thing is, to him, I don't think it is propaganda until he actually breaks away and gets a chance to examine it all. I have debates with people all the time about religion, and a lot of stuff gets brushed off. I don't want to get into anything too personal here, but when you've been taught a certain way from birth, it can be extremely difficult to shake off what you 'know' and start figuring out what you actually do know for yourself. I'm ashamed to admit it, but I have actually looked at people a certain way just because that was what I was taught to think. I as the player can get irritated with Bull, but I get where he's coming from.

 

My Adaar, though, considers herself Tal-Vashoth. She doesn't have time for that kind of nonsense, and rubbed it in Bull's face every chance she got. I played it to where both of them reached an understanding. She eventually came to accept that, while she still hated the restrictions of the Qun, it wasn't all evil. Though there really should have been an option to remark on Bull's view of 'fixing' people's minds- if we're going to talk about issues, that was my biggest.