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[Mengor]

All this talk of writing makes me want to buckle down and try to write a fanfic for my Inquis after Corypheus death with Bull and company. I have so many ideas for it but I'm not an expert writer and I'm SO worried I won't do justice to the characters, bah DX

 

Neither I am :)I!! Just write and take your time !

 

Look. Writing isn´t about getting Kudos or getting popular so don´t worry. The most important thing is to be loyal to your feelings and pour all of them into a piece of paper (or a doc file xD). And yeah some inspiration is good too. If you like what you just wrote...there shouldn´t be any problems  Release your imagination! At least that is how I do it and feels really great, cause in my fics the two important chars are Iron Bull and my Inquisitor (there are others as well in some parts). But that´s all about it  . 

[paramitch]

You're most welcome!

 

Yeah, I tend to be a shy poster too and generally avoid forum posting because of it. But, between your fantastic post and all the other great comments in this thread I couldn't contain it anymore and had to pipe up. :3 heh

 

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All this talk of writing makes me want to buckle down and try to write a fanfic for my Inquis after Corypheus death with Bull and company. I have so many ideas for it but I'm not an expert writer and I'm SO worried I won't do justice to the characters, bah DX

 

Skarbrand, I'm a freelance and fiction writer IRL, and in case the moral support helps, please DO! Just write it. It's the best advice I can give. Don't be nervous. Don't worry about what people will think. If you have a story in you, then get it down, see where it goes, have fun with it. Just write the story YOU want to read and see what happens. You risk nothing in the attempt, and you may learn some cool things about yourself, and discover a talent you didn't even know you had! Which is always wonderful.

 

And then after you write your fic, hopefully you'll feel proud -- and share it with us. People here are so nice and welcoming, and everyone has so much fun with their fics. They simply give us new potential angles on Bull and the other wonderful characters of DAI.

 

There can never be too many stories. Or storytellers.

[Midnight Bliss]

Thanks for the encouragement, guys! I think I need to just buckle down and give it a try, not like I'm going to fall into a black hole or something if it doesn't turn out as expected.

 

 

OT, but I just finished encountering the King of Nuggs and maybe it's just me but I found the look on Bull's face so priceless I figured I'd post a screencap of it,

 

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[paramitch]

So y'all, I'm about 3/4 through my second playthrough of DAI, the Solasmance, and it's so different from Bull!

 

I've been pleasantly surprised by how intensely romantic the Solas storyline is, but -- it's really lonely compared to the warmth and fun of Bull's romance. The story feels emptier and sadder too, not just because of course I know this is not gonna end well -- I have far less approval overall from almost everyone (and several, Sera included, still actually dislike her). I made opposite "big choices" to get a new story feel this time (except for always saving the Chargers! I have to!).

 

But it's so much quieter without Bull. I mean, romancing Bull, at this point my last Quizzie was basically having hot sex all over Skyhold, drinking with the Chargers, and having a fantastic time saving the world. My current Quizzie, who as a character is very different (Elfy, quieter, chillier) is nevertheless rather lonely at this point (and I feel terrible for her because I know it's only gonna get worse shortly).

While I'm enjoying this playthrough, I feel like the Bull romance was better paced. There were so many opportunities to talk to and spend time with him if you were romancing Bull, and I'm not getting nearly as many of those 'friendship moments' that add depth with Solas (partly, I suspect, for story/suspense reasons). But at this point in the game, I loved how well we knew Bull. I'm missing that now.

 

The funniest part is that I was so tempted but never flirted with Bull with this Quizzie at all, but then finally in the post-assassination attempt, she had to choose the 'heart' option ("You're still you") and then I was like, "What if he shows up in her room now?? ("I don't know if she's gonna be able to turn him down!") but of course, alas, he did not show up to tempt her, and so her Solasmance was safe. Sigh. Dammit.

On the plus side, I'm having fun watching Bull and Dorian flirt, and honestly, I find it very sweet thus far. They are weirdly guarded yet tender with each other. Right now storywise, I've been running around with Bull, Solas and Dorian, and it's kind of the sweetest thing, because Solas is actually being very comforting of Bull going T-V, and meanwhile Bull is comforting Dorian over his break with his family, with Dorian being very kind in return about the T-V stuff. (And I love how chatty Dorian is -- he talks all the time, after every battle, for instance, and again I just think it's so perfectly in character and such good writing.)

 

Dorian and Bull are also at the heavy flirting stage, and so far I think it's really pretty lovely. The characters are so brilliantly realized; just as I did when romancing him, I love that Bull has absolutely zero hangups about sex at all -- no guilt, no self-consciousness, and total confidence. While ironically Dorian is a total bundle of nothing but hangups and self-loathing. They're a fascinating couple.

 

And because I get so little banter (but for some reason the Storm Coast was a banter goldmine yesterday), I only just finally heard the "I. Would. Conquer. You." speech yesterday and admit that yes, I found it hot. And then funny (as always with Bull), when he was, like, "Oops, that wasn't where you were going with it?"

 

I feel like all the Dorian/Bull interactions end with Dorian feeling a dozen emotions at once -- he's embarrassed, flattered, insulted, interested, turned on (and conflicted at himself for it), and occasionally surprised at Bull's unexpected insight. I feel like if Dorian didn't hate himself so much, he'd have figured out how wonderful Bull is a lot faster than he does. 

[Crazy_Ivan]

On the plus side, I'm having fun watching Bull and Dorian flirt, and honestly, I find it very sweet thus far. They are weirdly guarded yet tender with each other. Right now storywise, I've been running around with Bull, Solas and Dorian, and it's kind of the sweetest thing, because Solas is actually being very comforting of Bull going T-V, and meanwhile Bull is comforting Dorian over his break with his family, with Dorian being very kind in return about the T-V stuff. (And I love how chatty Dorian is -- he talks all the time, after every battle, for instance, and again I just think it's so perfectly in character and such good writing.)

Solas/Bull banter was some of my favorite; I think I brought those two with me more than anyone else in my first playthrough. So many warm fuzzies with that line: "you have the Inquisition, you have the Inquisitor and you have me," reassuring Bull about the Tal-Vashoth matter. I like to think it brought a little tear to Bull's eye, and instigated a group hug among the party. For having such disparate personalities, they got along surprisingly well, and it was inspiring to see them develop that mutual respect.
Loved listening to them play their chess game, too - although I think it was still unfinished when Solas departed at the end of the game. Rude.

[paramitch]

AGHGH! You quoted my single favorite line from Solas to Bull. Sniffle. So many feels!

 

I really love the way the game evolves other relationships -- not just Quizzie's. Watching Solas go from antagonistic to supportive with Bull was just so lovely (and I have lots of thoughts on Solas but to put it briefly: I do not think he is playing a role in these interactions. I think they're honestly felt. I think he is almost always actually being himself, which makes it all the more tragic and complex).

 

I also love the evolution of Bull/Dorian and also (of course) of Bull and Cole. People who don't take Cole out as a party member really miss out on so much -- watching Bull go from scared to protective of Cole is one of my favorite moments in the game ("You're MY weird kid...").

 

Solas/Bull banter was some of my favorite; I think I brought those two with me more than anyone else in my first playthrough. So many warm fuzzies with that line: "you have the Inquisition, you have the Inquisitor and you have me," reassuring Bull about the Tal-Vashoth matter. I like to think it brought a little tear to Bull's eye, and instigated a group hug among the party. For having such disparate personalities, they got along surprisingly well, and it was inspiring to see them develop that mutual respect.
Loved listening to them play their chess game, too - although I think it was still unfinished when Solas departed at the end of the game. Rude.

 

I adore Dorian but hadn't brought him with me TONS this time because Solas was my main mage/caster (I mean, my poor Quizzie barely gets to see him otherwise). Although the past few days, I just decided heck with it, and lined up me, Solas & Dorian -- three casters plus Bull and it was so funny. Fireballs everywhere! And I get to hang out with Dorian, who is so much fun. I missed him.

 

Solas does finish the chess game with Bull! Here's the final series of moves:

 

Iron Bull: All right, Solas. I've thought about it. Ready to finish this? Ben-Hassrath to A6.

Solas: Knight takes Pawn at G7. Check.

Iron Bull: Uh-huh. King to D8.

Solas: Queen to F6, Check.

Iron Bull: And now my Ben-Hassrath takes your Queen.

Iron Bull: You've got no Towers. You're down to a single Mage. Too bad you wasted time moving that Pawn to... to...

Iron Bull: You sneaky son of a ******.

Solas: Mage to E7. Checkmate.

Iron Bull: (Grunts.). Nice game, mage.

Solas: And you as well, Tal-Vashoth.

[paramitch]

I've finally been reading the 30 or so Trespasser pages I skipped on my 500 page exploration of this lovely thread, and (1) I've run out of Likes! and (2) I'm still sniffly!

 

(And sorry for all the posting posting postage, but I overthink everything, so right now that includes DAI, and it's great to talk about Bull here.)

 

So -- question about Bull and Trespasser (SPOILERS):

 

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If we don't save the Chargers, a lot of folks seem to feel that this means that everything from Bull in the romance was actually a lie, and pretty ice-cold. 

 

No question that his turnabout in "Trespasser" is shocking and brutal. But I feel like there's a middle ground here however.

 

I think it can be argued pretty convincingly that Bull still has a powerful romance with Quizzie and that events in DAI genuinely show intimacy and caring there. Even love. I think he does mean it when he is shocked into tenderness in the "Kadan" and even "I love you too" scenes. Or that he really does fall for Dorian and it's as sweet as it seems.

 

BUT -- my feeling is that the loss of the Chargers (and in my opinion) of his faith in the Qun on the Storm Coast have permanently damaged him. I think he's got nothing left BUT Quizzie or Dorian and this isn't enough. He needs more than one person to save himself. So at the end of DAI, for instance, despite genuinely feeling love for the Inquisitor, I believe he knows what will happen. He knows he'll return to the Qun for reeducation as he's done before because he finds the pain too much (and that's certainly not something he's ever going to admit to the IQ -- Bull is certainly an accomplished dissembler anyway when he needs to be).

 

So my feeling is that the DAI stuff is still genuine but that it's the Bull who returns for Trespasser who is empty, who is cold, who is the betrayer of the Inquisitor's heart. My headcanon is that he went off for a fake months-long merc mission fairly soon before "Trespasser" and of course it was actually reeducation and brainwashing, and that the Winter Palace Bull is the one who is simply now an empty shell. Because he is empty inside now.

 

And I agree with those who discussed this in the recent thread about the Chargers decision (SweetTea was it you?) that basically it's suicide. Bull can't stand the loss of his family and faith and eventually empties himself of all feeling, returns and does a pretty decent job of pretending to be himself and not a shell, then dies at our hands as he knew he must.

 

This also works with Dorian: Again, I think this means that the romance with Dorian is all real in DAI. Possibly for many of the months leading up to "Trespasser." Then he leaves, gets reeducated (and his final orders) and comes back in "Trespasser" prepared for the end in the most literal way.

 

I do think there would have/could have been more complex little signs and signals in "Trespasser" but that it would be very hard to do this and stay on-budget in some ways. I also suspect that's why we Bull-riders don't get a sex scene. They have to encompass two pretty big extremes here and I think it would have absolutely shot the budget. As it is, the abrupt turnabout is even more shocking in its way because there are no warnings, right? Which works for me from a story perspective. Bull is as good at Solas about hiding in plain sight, about always telling you the truth because it's the best lie; because it can often reveal a different/opposite truth beneath it. 

 

I'm just glad I haven't actually seen it. I can't bring myself to yet. Just reading it and seeing those alt-universe end-title sketches broke my heart.

 

 

[SweetTeaholic]

@Paramitch: I think there was some feelings for the Inquisitor if you saved the Dreadnought and romanced him but he knew well that it wasn't going to work out in the end and being after you defeat Cory; he even says himself that he's going to return Searhon. 99% chance he got reeducated and whatever feelings he had for the Inquisitor/Dorian/possibly his Charges were wiped clean. And  any that remained he pushed down; which explains why Cole says that he didn't felt anything. No pain; no grief. There was nothing more than a husk that only functioned enough to do what the Qun demands of him.

 

And I don't even remember what I said lol.

 

Really, I think it was more time restrains than it was money; but still was salty for the lack of Bullmancer content. 

Also the fact that Adoribul got more attention than both of their respectful romances with the Inquisitor did also may play a part of the salt. Both were my fave romances in the game.

[Crazy_Ivan]

I really love the way the game evolves other relationships -- not just Quizzie's. Watching Solas go from antagonistic to supportive with Bull was just so lovely (and I have lots of thoughts on Solas but to put it briefly: I do not think he is playing a role in these interactions. I think they're honestly felt. I think he is almost always actually being himself, which makes it all the more tragic and complex).

 

I agree with you about Solas being genuine - he had to have been, or he wouldn't have acted the way he did at the end of Trespasser. It does make the story that much more compelling.
 

Solas does finish the chess game with Bull! Here's the final series of moves:
 

Iron Bull: All right, Solas. I've thought about it. Ready to finish this? Ben-Hassrath to A6.

Solas: Knight takes Pawn at G7. Check.

Iron Bull: Uh-huh. King to D8.

Solas: Queen to F6, Check.

Iron Bull: And now my Ben-Hassrath takes your Queen.

Iron Bull: You've got no Towers. You're down to a single Mage. Too bad you wasted time moving that Pawn to... to...

Iron Bull: You sneaky son of a ******.

Solas: Mage to E7. Checkmate.

Iron Bull: (Grunts.). Nice game, mage.

Solas: And you as well, Tal-Vashoth.

 

Thank you for sharing that! I was hoping Bull was the winner, but I suppose Solas is the more experienced chess-player of the two.

This is why I miss being able to exploit a banter location - like bridges in Origins (so many trips to and from Orzammar's Proving Chambers) - in Inquisition. Those little interactions add so much richness to the game, and reading it on the internet is just not the same as listening to it in-game. Not that dragging every party combo across the same bridge a million times feels very authentic either, but still. Then again, neither does Vivienne and Bull casually commenting about the events way back at Halamshiral WHILE FIGHTING A DRAGON after having already defeated Corypheus. Seriously, the banter system in DAI could do with some improvements.

[paramitch]

You're VW (very welcome), Crazy_Ivan!

 

I miss those damn dialogue points as well. I have literally stood around for hours waiting for in-character dialogue insights (I adore them) from party members.

 

I can't help it. It isn't the same if I just read them. I have to see and hear them.

 

Meanwhile I finally started "What Pride Had Wrought" and was amused at my serious ANGER at Iron Bull. I love him so much, but man, processing his alt-universe betrayals today? I was looking at him like, "YOU LEFT ME!" Even if this IQ isn't the one he betrayed! So funny but embarrassing. And sobering. We think we know our companions. But as in life, there will always be mystery there.

 

It's so odd but I found it very very easy to condemn Blackwall, although I did give him the chance for redemption. I find it much harder to hate Solas. Or Bull. I can only judge what I see. And they have given their lives for me (in the game world) countless times. I've also heard hours of discussion from and among them about their beliefs and ideologies. It's harder for me to condemn Bull's indoctrination or Solas's newly awakened (ancient/angelic) revolutionary. And far easier for me to condemn Blackwall, whose circumstances were believable but still made my skin crawl). It's the micro versus macro -- Solas did something thousands of years ago that I still can barely even wrap my mind around. Bull would happily convert the world to the Qun (as long as his friends didn't die). But the acts by 'good' characters that upset me most in the game were:

 

• Blackwall's murder of the family and children in cold blood (and then his abandonment of the men he ordered to do it)
• Leliana's murder of Sister Nataie in the church

 

They're both so immediate and so real to me -- maybe that's why. 

 

I kept looking at Bull all evening (romancing Solas conflictedly of course) and kept wanting him to know, "You have your family. You have someone you love [former awesome me, or lovely Dorian] -- why give that up? (Of course, this Bull is happily and sweetly on-track for his happy ending... but that potential is still there. It's what makes him such an interesting character -- that streak of darkness despite the lightness, sexiness and humor we see most of.

 

I love that Bull AND Solas question the very potential for corruption within the Inquisition. I wish we'd been given even more opportunities to address or stop it in gameplay.

 

EDITED FOR CLARITY. My rambling got ahead of itself! Cheers.

[Crazy_Ivan]

I'm Volkswagen? I didn't think my emissions were that bad... "Very weird" would be more accurate. (My grasp of internet lingo is failing me, what does VW mean?)

 

What you talk about is why I have such a hard time changing up my decisions in additional playthroughs -- things can turn out so differently (think of the Hawke family) and seriously shake whatever grasp you thought you had on who the characters were. But really that's what makes these games so great; the story becomes so personal through those unique choices and outcomes.

 

I've been watching my sister play through the game, and she chose to sacrifice the Chargers, whereas saving them was the only call to make for me, and every time this is commented on in her game, or she walks into the tavern and Krem isn't there standing on his chair, a little part of me cries inside and I think who is Bull turning into?? It's jarring. I'm not sure whether I can handle watching things pan out as she plays Trespasser. Gah. The feels.

[Mengor]

I'm Volkswagen? I didn't think my emissions were that bad... "Very weird" would be more accurate. (My grasp of internet lingo is failing me, what does VW mean?)

 

 

Welcome Crazy_Ivan! Great, another one here! The more the merrier . Sorry to take advantage of your comment but with that word I thought this was perfect timing to talk a bit about Germany...cause... I am back everyone! I´ve just returned from my 4 night/5 days trip to Köln! During the flight I couldn´t stop thinking in my fellow Bullmacers. I´ve never used the plane before, the previous night I was so worried, so nervous that I couldn´t sleep at all! But I am glad I decided to explore a new place after all!!

 

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We arrived at the beginning of the Xmas activity so you guys can get an idea of the crowd outside lol!

 

 

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One thing I found unique somehow is that they love placing weird stuff in their buildings haha...

 

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And the food omg!! I had so much fun eating new things...There are many options, flavors, The hot wine is actually really nice and tasty. while the typical Kölsch beer...erm.. nope xD. Somehow my body keeps repelling beer  What´s wrong with these sausages? Yeah they are yummy but I found them so...hollow that eating just 1 of them wouldn´t feed me up enough  

 

However when I was visiting Düsseldorf... my DAI obsession began to flourish.. xD?

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Sniff... I failed in my attempt to find some bara boyfriend like Iron Bull...I only found this.. :´(
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Love is supposed to be out there somewhere. Right? Why I have no luck then? lol. According to my sister: "You don´t search for love. Love finds you"...I wonder.. How true is that guys xD?

 

Obviously I wasn´t going to find anyone...in such a short amount of time...but (honestly I had some hopes... Then again I´d have to break the language wall...which I am not really good at...German is not that simple as English is :I)

 

I had a good time there.. and the weather wasn´t that cold...It was like walking in Spring. No snow though... (Dammit xD) And that would be the short version of my trip to Köln. I just wanted to share some photographs . 

 

Now about the thread...I am just thirsty for more Iron Bull xD but I wonder..do someone has any shots of Iron Bull´s butt ? I am perfectly aware of IB´s 3rd horn and his tasty back...dat glorious back xD. How about his butt C:? I wanna peek haha and stare to it for hours...  What I´d like to see is a shot like the one you can get from Dorian´s Romance, or something near similar. Mm...Someone xD? 

 

And the most important thing. How are my dear Bullmancers doing ?

[Qun00]

I agree with you about Solas being genuine - he had to have been, or he wouldn't have acted the way he did at the end of Trespasser. It does make the story that much more compelling.


Thank you for sharing that! I was hoping Bull was the winner, but I suppose Solas is the more experienced chess-player of the two.
This is why I miss being able to exploit a banter location - like bridges in Origins (so many trips to and from Orzammar's Proving Chambers) - in Inquisition. Those little interactions add so much richness to the game, and reading it on the internet is just not the same as listening to it in-game. Not that dragging every party combo across the same bridge a million times feels very authentic either, but still. Then again, neither does Vivienne and Bull casually commenting about the events way back at Halamshiral WHILE FIGHTING A DRAGON after having already defeated Corypheus. Seriously, the banter system in DAI could do with some improvements.

Better than reading or listening is to watch their chess game.

http://youtu.be/Ky19-1fuL2U

[paramitch]

Here's my dedication to Iron Bull's happiness -- I just did a full second playthrough with a Solas Romance, and I figured, hey, the least I could do was make sure my darling Iron Bull was happily set up with Dorian, right?

 

Only problem was the darned banter bug. Dorian and Bull adorably flirted, but they never closed -- even by the end of my second playthrough, they still hadn't actually hooked up!

 

So last night, I sat there running all over Thedas for four hours before going on to "Doom on All the World," to the most banter-friendly areas (and of course doing all the other stuff -- making sure I had no lingering items in inventory, codex or journal, etc), simply waiting for Bull and Dorian to finally hook up so that it would be canon and part of my Trespasser playthrough.

 

SO FINALLY, Dorian and Bull reference "last night" and I was able to talk to each about their being together, so I could then move on to Trespasser with the AdoriBull romance safely ensconced. I mean, hey, my Inquisitor was dumped and miserable, so she at least wanted to make sure Bull was happy!

 

Meanwhile, I always catch so much that's new, and this second playthrough, I found myself really loving Bull's conversations with Cassandra -- the way she goes from dismissive to actually warm and flirtatious -- it's so cute:

 

Iron Bull: If you need any help with that frustration back in camp, let me know.

Cassandra: It's never going to happen.

Iron Bull: Apologies for giving offense. I will stop making invitations, Seeker.

Cassandra: I was not offended. Nor did I say you should stop, so long as we are both clear it's never happening.

Iron Bull: Works for me.

 

AND:

 

Cassandra: I enjoy fighting at your side, Bull.

Iron Bull: Same here, Seeker.

Cassandra: But I will also enjoy returning to the base and sinking slowly into a steaming hot bath, sprinkled with rose petals.

Iron Bull: Oh, now you're just being mean! I mean, roses! Who has sex smelling like roses? Violets, or a nice frangipani, maybe.

Cassandra: (laughs)

 

Also, while I loved the Solas romance and found it hugely emotional, I just want to add, that it really stung in a quiet way -- to go see Bull in the Tavern and for him to be so jovial and yet remote. And not to be able to ask for kisses.

 

And welcome home, Mengor! Glad you landed safe. :-)

[Mengor]

Meanwhile, I always catch so much that's new, and this second playthrough, I found myself really loving Bull's conversations with Cassandra -- the way she goes from dismissive to actually warm and flirtatious -- it's so cute:

 

Iron Bull: If you need any help with that frustration back in camp, let me know.

Cassandra: It's never going to happen.

Iron Bull: Apologies for giving offense. I will stop making invitations, Seeker.

Cassandra: I was not offended. Nor did I say you should stop, so long as we are both clear it's never happening.

Iron Bull: Works for me.

 

AND:

 

Cassandra: I enjoy fighting at your side, Bull.

Iron Bull: Same here, Seeker.

Cassandra: But I will also enjoy returning to the base and sinking slowly into a steaming hot bath, sprinkled with rose petals.

Iron Bull: Oh, now you're just being mean! I mean, roses! Who has sex smelling like roses? Violets, or a nice frangipani, maybe.

Cassandra: (laughs)

 

Also, while I loved the Solas romance and found it hugely emotional, I just want to add, that it really stung in a quiet way -- to go see Bull in the Tavern and for him to be so jovial and yet remote. And not to be able to ask for kisses.

 

And welcome home, Mengor! Glad you landed safe. :-)

 

 

Thanks! Concerning party banter I love the one between Varric & Iron Bull cause he is not sharing details but still Bull admits the relationship with Quizzy without problems. 

 

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:Varric: So, Bull. You and the Inquisitor, huh?
Iron Bull: Mm-hmm.
Varric: I'd love some impressions. Imagery. Something for my next book.
Iron Bull: Sorry. That room is for him/her and me. No one else invited.
Varric: Safe harbor from the storm outside?
Iron Bull: All right, now you're just making it weird.

 

I find weird Quizzy doesn´t say anything xD. I am not sure if I´d be that calm. Don´t get the wrong idea. Not a problem at all...but just because of the awkwardness... I´d add something like...mmm "Varric don´t get too graphic in your story" or "Who told you about that?" or something like that. His "Mmm-Hmmm" is just priceless and lovely  .  

[Mengor]

Sorry for double posting....but I found something so blatantly written out there that I had fun and loled loudly xDDD. And yeah I want to share it with you guys . 

 

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http://pearwaldorf.t...adoribull-obs-p

 

So do you agree with all that ? What do you guys think? I´ll begin:

 

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Point 1: Agree
Point 2: Same
Point 3: I don´t know about this one lol
Point 4: Can´t agree more (Even if I haven´t tried Dorian´s romance. But It was kind of the same with my Inquisitor actually)
Point 5: In one of my fics we tried with lights off. And it was glorious, probably its more exciting that way.
Point 6: Nah...totally one could caught Bull "busy" more often xDDD.
Point 7: That.. sounds about right to me...
Point 8: I disapprove. I am certain Bull also makes wonderful Bjs... huh... xD
Point 9: I´d say it depends on the circumstances. Now that my Quizzy is not Inquisitor, working with the chargers, Bull takes advantage of this many times to start his "games"
Point 10: We are the same sensitive I believe. I love the challenges and Bull keeps teaching me new things. Its surprising how he can provide me pleasure in so many diferent ways. Having only one arm doesn´t mean anything and Bull left that clear to me

 

Come on! Share your thoughts xD 

[paramitch]

Mengor, interesting link -- I really liked most of the conclusions there. What makes it lovely is that, to me, Bull cuts right through the bullshit (no pun intended). He has no sense of guilt or shame, and what amazing things to pass along to Dorian.

 

I know their pairing is somewhat controversial but I am 100% on the side of Adoribull. Bull was fantastic for my female quizzie and he also made me think a lot as I explore fan-fiction on many big issues. I mean, I thought a lot about it. I was raised Catholic so double that: A lot. But how lovely that Bull is simply who he is. I adore that so much. I really hope Bull inspires so many after us to just be who they are, to love who they are. Male, female if they're grown up and capable of consent and decision, I'm a fan. Always.

 

Which leads to the fact that: Storywise, Bull made me happy, and I loved how uncomplicated Bull was about his relationships. The ideas may be complex but Bull isn't, and that's awesome. He knows who he is. He feels zero guilt. Ever. And what a great lesson, right? So I really loved him.

 

Meanwhile, I have started posting my own fan-fiction. First up, part 1 of 3 parts of a Bull-rider romance (with a side order of Solas regret):

The Distant Wave (1 of 3)

http://archiveofouro...apters/12569996

 

A snippet:

 

 

Speaking of which – Bull.

Bull interested me even more in the new stronghold at Skyhold than he had before in the village at Haven. You’d think he would have looked more out of place here, but maybe that was just his gift, as he never looked out of place anywhere.

But I'd found myself noticing Bull when we gathered for strategy talks, because as incongruous as he appeared in this setting, he was probably the smartest politician in the room. Not that any of them seemed to realize this. They really seemed to see him only as the muscle, as the fighter and chesspiece—not as the pawn, perhaps, but as a midlevel piece. A rook, that was how they saw him. As our biddable, movable fortress.

He was still huge, and he still seemed to swallow up the room and make everyone else seem fragile, and yet even he seemed a bit smaller here at Skyhold, more mortal and approachable.

It was strange to me now, though, just the memory of how ugly I’d once found him. I remembered when I met him how strange I thought he looked -- that powerful, massive frame, the muscles not those of a posturing champion; less beautiful than daunting, utilitarian. The hard, flat edges of his nose, cheek, and jaw. The ruined scarring around his left eye. There was simply nothing romantic or handsome there, nothing pretty or easy. The otherworldly arc of the horns above his face as if he were in fact part devil or demon. But no. Just Qunari. Although that was strange enough.

And yet I’d kept finding myself fascinated, interested, simply because his charisma dwarfed even his body. He was the life of every room he entered, the fun of every fight, the biggest drinker, the loudest to laugh. But the sadness I'd glimpsed was still there too, as well as the cool ruthlessness he brought to bear in war and battle. I still remembered the unpleasant frisson I’d gotten when he had coolly admitted to Cole that his first thought upon meeting any new person was to envision how he would kill them if he ever needed to.

Yet nobody else seemed to catch it but me. To everyone else he was either a useful if brutal tool, a vulgar nuisance or a simple, cleverish source of humor, unsubtle as a sledgehammer. The tavern girls and occasional serving-men he'd been with had evidently walked away delighted with their evenings (many had evidently even wept when he seemingly wouldn't repeat them). Which I found oddly delightful; Bull had zero hang-ups about sex at all, evidently, and whether male or female, simply saw it as a chance for occasional release and enjoyment. With Bull, there was none of the shame that poor Dorian might never actually escape, that shame that wrapped him in a cloud. Bull knew himself, and his confidence was oddly irresistible. Whenever he wanted it, he certainly didn’t seem to lack for company.

So perhaps I was the only one after all who didn't see him as handsome. But I still couldn't stop looking. 

I hope you enjoy, and will check it out. Thanks for bearing with all my constant postings! I fell into DAI this Fall and definitely got hooked. I'm such a goof. But: Yeah. I love this universe. I'm not going anywhere and it's been just as complex second playthrough. Thanks for making me feel so welcome.

 

Cheers and happy holidays!
 

[Mengor]

Happy Holidays to all of you guys!

 

But honestly...I really don´t like this time of the year xD. I don´t know... is that feeling...the flow of time. To know one is getting older + family reunions = :S.

 

It would be a different story if the one coming for Xmas through the door were Iron Bull in some kind of Santa Claus suit or something.. xD. That would be REALLY happy Xmas

[denise12184]

Guys! Guys...guess what? I have the best hubs in the entire world! Look what he got me for Christmas!! He even gave it to me early

 

 

Crappy cell phone takes crappy pics, but isn't he glorious?

 

...Ahem.  Now that that's out of my system..*Waves to all the newbies* Hey! Welcome aboard.

[EggplantRed]

Guys! Guys...guess what? I have the best hubs in the entire world! Look what he got me for Christmas!! He even gave it to me early

 

 

Crappy cell phone takes crappy pics, but isn't he glorious?

 

...Ahem.  Now that that's out of my system..*Waves to all the newbies* Hey! Welcome aboard.

Yay!!!! That's awesome Denise!

Hubby did good 

[paramitch]

Guys! Guys...guess what? I have the best hubs in the entire world! Look what he got me for Christmas!! He even gave it to me early

 

 

Crappy cell phone takes crappy pics, but isn't he glorious?

 

...Ahem.  Now that that's out of my system..*Waves to all the newbies* Hey! Welcome aboard.

 

So jealous! And awesome!

 

I love it. I remember laughing at the wit when Bioware promoted the Iron Bull and Dorian busts on the same day ("We Ship Them."). I mean, come on, that's awesome.

 

Huge congrats!

 

And happy holidays to all in the Bull thread! I just finished my second playthrough and am about to start playthrough three. I was very lonely without Bull in 2, so we'll see how I withstand temptation in 3 (trying for a Cullen playthrough, but I never actually pick poor Cullen, see, and so far it's been Bull or Solas all the way...).

 

Merry merry!

[vertigomez]

Welp I just read through that "do you think Iron Bull..." thread and now I'm crying MY LOVE MY SWEET BOY BUBBUUU ;_______;

[paramitch]

Welp I just read through that "do you think Iron Bull..." thread and now I'm crying MY LOVE MY SWEET BOY BUBBUUU ;_______;

 

Um, if it helps. I know. I really do.

 

Feel free to temporarily join the Blanketfort (Solas solace for those dealing with romantic tragedy in-game, and they are the most lovely people ever), or I can just send virtual hugs, blanket forts, nugs, and holiday treats. This thread is equally wonderful and supportive!

 

Because yeah: I can't even bring myself to WATCH THE VIDEOS. I mean, just the thread here (30 pages or so of Bull and Trespasser and the screen shots) had me in tears (and, um, temporarily mad at Bull, even T-V Bull, LOL). I can't even.

 

So please watch some baby goat videos or kittens or something and ALWAYS SAVE THE CHARGERS! And please keep us posted here. The people here are really nice. And we all love Bull.

 

Happy holidays!

[vertigomez]

^Thank you! I find that the perfect medicine for crybaby Bull feels is... to think about his magnificent, adorable, smooshy, kissable belly. I think, "IT'S PERFECT. JUST LIKE THE REST OF HIM." Aaaand then I'm crying all over again. :')

[paramitch]

It's interesting. I both loved and was horrified by how far the writers were willing to go as far as "Trespasser."

 

Because -- as with Solas -- it's in front of us all along. Do we support Bull as a political ally, as a troublingly cheerful member of the (fantasy) Nazi party, who even at one point willingly subjected himself to torture to remove his doubts?

 

Or do we support Bull as a friend or compatriot, knowing that saving the Chargers is saving his soul? I don't really see Bull as that different from trying to save Solas. The scale is different, but the intrinsic emotions are very similar -- do we let them go? Or choose what we know will save them?

 

I LOVE that the emotional answer here is the right one, as that's just who Bull is. Those who chose otherwise weren't wrong, but I feel they misread Bull at a devastating and basic level. Ever since we meet him, Bull wants to be talked out of who he is. He won't outwardly admit it but he's been on that road with you and Solas for many discussions at this point. So for him to say, "Please pick for me boss," it isn't idle. I think it's real and vital. He is asking us to save him.

 

And if we don't, hey, the Qun gets another dreadnought. But we lose Bull, our lovely Chargers (and his, even more vital), and a Special Forces team that is irreplaceable. And eventually Bull reminds us of this choice and in a brutal and unforgettable way that we won't get over. It's brutal but gorgeous writing, for me. (Even if I cannot face the videos. Still. Sorry. Wimp. Just can't.)

 

I'm on my third playthrough now, on a Cullenmance (Bull was my first romance), and believe me, I will always look out for the Bull. He's too wonderful not to rescue after all the times he rescues us.

 

Also, I still miss him for whatever Quizzie I'm playing and yes, I still think he's wonderful, fascinating and hot. (sorry)

 

(shallow)

 

Okay, Merry Christmas all!