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1. Literally everything, I mean, in the trailer, here we have a giant, one-eyed, bull horned bastard smiling slyly as it rains. A smiling Qunari? You have my full attention.

2. I really don't know, they can go thousands of miles based on this character concept alone, it seems.

3. Maker yes, Bi please, Let's face it, two qunari doing something most people in the Qun often never experience? Yes please.

4. A good lot have written many of favorites, don't make me choose.


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Well, let's then do a little, how is it called? A little quizz? A survey? Whatever

 

1. What does interest you in Iron Bull?

2. What do you fear about his future chracterisation?

3. LI? Yes, no? Bi, straight, gay? If no, then should he end up with some other companion? Who?

4. IYHO, who is his writer?

 

  1. I have always liked mercenary type characters, also the fact that he is formerly of the qun means we will be getting more insight into qunari society which is always a plus in my books.
  2. My main fear is he is a drunkard, and that has been done, but the fact that it's already been done gives me hope it won't happen again.
  3. Not too sure if he will be an LI or not, but if he is I would say bi or straight, as for ending up with other character, that's tough, but maybe Sera, hard to tell until more info comes out on all of them
  4. I would say Patrick Weekes, the case for him seems pretty strong


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Well, let's then do a little, how is it called? A little quizz? A survey? Whatever

 

1. What does interest you in Iron Bull?

2. What do you fear about his future chracterisation?

3. LI? Yes, no? Bi, straight, gay? If no, then should he end up with some other companion? Who?

4. IYHO, who is his writer?

 

1: He has the most interesting look out of any dragon age companion thus far. He looks to embody what I consider my ideal in a warrior type character. The potential with his character seems vast.

 

2: My fear is that in an effort to subvert the big, burly, badass warrior image he has they'll make him an out and out joke.

 

3: I think he should be, if only because I'm hoping for bioware to be trying new things and breaking their mold with this game; since they're going back to their traditional plot formula, I think it's important they subvert every other expectation they can. As for his orientation, it doesn't matter to me.

 

4: Really, no idea beyond it not being DG, but I'd like it to be Pat Weekes.


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Well, let's then do a little, how is it called? A little quizz? A survey? Whatever

 

1. What does interest you in Iron Bull?

2. What do you fear about his future chracterisation?

3. LI? Yes, no? Bi, straight, gay? If no, then should he end up with some other companion? Who?

4. IYHO, who is his writer?

 

1.) We know Sten wasn't all he seemed once you got to know him but he was still a zealot to the Qun. Yet through him we got a glimpse of more 'average' qunari from his dream in the Fade (though how much salt we should be taking with that vision i'm not sure) His qunari commrades teased each other and weren't really acting any different than how our own companions acted with us and each other in party interactions. i think IB has the opportunity to show us more of and more blatantly this side of the qunari as a race.

 

2.) I'm a pessimistic optimist but thankfully the optimist in me is holding out that Bioware knows what they're doing so no fears. (For now)

 

3.) I would certainly like him to be an LI! He would be something really different from what we've seen from the Dragon Age Lis. I'm hoping the team takes a chance on him but on this issue the pessimist in me wins out and I doubt it will happen. I could see him being done as Bi or straight.

 

4.) i would also go with Pat or Mary.



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I think there's a case to be made for IB being bisexual in that qunari seem to be pan-romantic; as they don't associate love and sex, they seem capable of feeling romantic love for anyone, regardless of gender. 

 

Since it seems likely that IB will be a sexually active character, it seems possible he's no more discriminating than that. 



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I think there's a case to be made for IB being bisexual in that qunari seem to be pan-romantic; as they don't associate love and sex, they seem capable of feeling romantic love for anyone, regardless of gender. 

 

Since it seems likely that IB will be a sexually active character, it seems possible he's no more discriminating than that. 

Doesn't that make them asexual? Or bisexual? God, I always get confused with all these terms... I always thought qunari were asexual, since for them love is disconnected from sex.  So I don't think gender would ever bother them

Though IB is a tal-vashoth... so, eh, it also depends on where he was brought up



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From World of Thedas I got the impression that the qunari once honored gods that were of chaos and strength rather than anything close to representing self-discipline and order like the Qun. So the leaders of the Qun likely would exert their control over the people to prevent those old chaotic urges from returning which would probably include sexuality. So I'm not sure if you could say the people were asexual or not. Sexuality is probably just as varied in them as it is in anyone else they just aren't always allowed to express it the same way because of the doctrine forced on them (or embraced in some cases).



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Asexuality, as I understand it, is having no strong desire for sex at all. Bisexuality is being attracted to both genders(though not necessarily in equal measure). Pansexuality is being attracted to the person's personality with no regard for the body they inhabit.

 

The disconnect of romance from sex in qunari society is strange because it is a social construct, not a biological one. I'm not entirely sure how that would effect someone's actual sexuality.



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From World of Thedas I got the impression that the qunari once honored gods that were of chaos and strength rather than anything close to representing self-discipline and order like the Qun does. So the leaders of the Qun likely would exert their control over the people to prevent those old chaotic urges from returning which would probably include sexuality. So I'm not sure if you could say the people were asexual or not. Sexuality is probably just as varied in them as it is in anyone else they just aren't always allowed to express it the same way because of the doctrine forced on them.

Well, yeah, it is, I know

I'm talking about an accepted and widespread approach among qunari towards love. Since they have been literally bred this way for centuries... little from kossiths is left



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Asexuality, as I understand it, is having no strong desire for sex at all. Bisexuality is being attracted to both genders(though not necessarily in equal measure). Pansexuality is being attracted to the person's personality with no regard for the body they inhabit.

 

The disconnect of romance from sex in qunari society is strange because it is a social construct, not a biological one. I'm not entirely sure how that would effect someone's actual sexuality.

I don't see much diffirence between bisexuality and pansexuality, then... unless of course it means that bisexual people are more sex-interested than pansexuals, who just wait for a right person to pop out... but that sounds kind of offensive XD 

Anyway, I'm not that surprised about it, but I wonder if they even accept love at all,. Maybe even having feelings without expressing them is forbidden? Maybe only friendship exists? 

Ugh, not enough information



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Random post:

http://www.deviantar...unari-392042845

qunari_by_nimoda-d6heu71.png

 

I wonder how a female Iron Bull would've played out


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I don't see much diffirence between bisexuality and pansexuality, then... unless of course it means that bisexual people are more sex-interested than pansexuals, who just wait for a right person to pop out... but that sounds kind of offensive XD 

Anyway, I'm not that surprised about it, but I wonder if they even accept love at all,. Maybe even having feelings without expressing them is forbidden? Maybe only friendship exists? 

Ugh, not enough information

 

A bisexual person is physically attracted to both men and women; it may not be an even split, but they find both masculine and feminine body types physically appealing. A pansexual person doesn't have a preference as it's not necessarily the body they're attracted to at all, but the personality. 

 

I also think it's fairly clear that the relationships within the qun are, or can be, more than just friendships, even if they aren't sexual. That a distinction was made when it was pointed out that they have friends and feel love leads me to believe they do have romantic relationships, but romantic relationships aren't necessarily sexual. I'd imagine that in such relationships, one partner would have a problem if the other shared the same level of emotional intimacy with someone else, but neither partner would care when either of them got called up for breeding purposes. 

 

I've also speculated in the past that sex in the qun is a very mechanical affair, likely not particularly pleasurable for either party. I imagine sex for pleasure was a somewhat alien concept to IB after he left, but likely one he embraced. I just picture him as someone who has sex for the pleasure of it, without a particular preference for the gender of who he's with.



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The Iron Cow doesn't have the same ring to it. But, damn, she's gorgeous.



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Random post:

http://www.deviantar...unari-392042845

qunari_by_nimoda-d6heu71.png

 

I wonder how a female Iron Bull would've played out

 

With that particular outfit? I imagine it would have caused quite the stir, given she'd be bare chested. 


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With that particular outfit? I imagine it would have caused quite the stir, given she'd be bare chested. 

That actually brings up a question, how do you think nudity is handled in Qunari society due to physical attractiveness not being a major concern.



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That actually brings up a question, how do you think nudity is handled in Qunari society due to physical attractiveness not being a major concern.

 

I don't think they'd care if you did your "role" nude, so long as being nude didn't hinder you in any way (ie, farming nude is a lot easier and less dangerous than fighting nude). Plus iirc Seheron is pretty hot, so I can imagine them stripping down in the summers to conserve body water.



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That actually brings up a question, how do you think nudity is handled in Qunari society due to physical attractiveness not being a major concern.

Nudity is linked to sex and attractiveness though biology, not society. 

Tallis wore actual clothes. Rasaan had very little cover, more than men, though



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Nudity is linked to sex and attractiveness though biology, not society. 

Tallis wore actual clothes. Rasaan had very little cover, more than men, though

Thats not exactly true at all and yes but one was an assassin the other a priestess i believe. Im thinking about their labor force



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Qunari territory is close to Thedas' equator; tropical jungles and all that. So they wear clothing that's reasonably practical for that environment, which leaves a lot of bare skin showing.

 

I imagine the doyilsit explaination for why qunari women continue to cover their breasts is because Bioware doesn't want to deal with the media blowback of topless women(I have a whole rant about that that's less to do with bioware and more to do with our society's perception of it, but we'll save that for another time). But there could be any number of cultural or practical reasons for it.



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Qunari territory is close to Thedas' equator; tropical jungles and all that. So they wear clothing that's reasonably practical for that environment, which leaves a lot of bare skin showing.

 

I imagine the doyilsit explaination for why qunari women continue to cover their breasts is because Bioware doesn't want to deal with the media blowback of topless women(I have a whole rant about that that's less to do with bioware and more to do with our society's perception of it, but we'll save that for another time). But there could be any number of cultural or practical reasons for it.

It's kind of weird... in DA:O Sten told us that even during summer the farmers wore lots of clothes to avoid being stung by little bees. And in codex they were described as "bronze giants" in heavy armour

In DA2 everyone looks like Tarzan. Even in comics... 

???

Retcon, yeah...



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I don't see much diffirence between bisexuality and pansexuality, then... unless of course it means that bisexual people are more sex-interested than pansexuals, who just wait for a right person to pop out... but that sounds kind of offensive XD 

Anyway, I'm not that surprised about it, but I wonder if they even accept love at all,. Maybe even having feelings without expressing them is forbidden? Maybe only friendship exists? 

Ugh, not enough information

 

Hm, how can I explain this... where bisexuality refers to simply being attracted to both men and women, pansexuality is a broader term referring to someone being attracted to people of any and all possible gender identities and biological sexes, because the gender or sex of the other person is irrelevant to their attraction to them. So it has a wider umbrella, one might say, than bisexuality. The terms are often used interchangeably, though.

Trying to parse Qunari sexuality, however, is making my head hurt, specifically because I don't know where to draw the biological and cultural lines. All I know is that I'm positive there is a concept of romance, it is most certainly non-sexual, and may very well be ungendered in nature given what we know about how Qunari view sex.

 

That actually brings up a question, how do you think nudity is handled in Qunari society due to physical attractiveness not being a major concern.

 

That reminds me that I had a headcanon, once upon a time, that Qunari women would do that thing the ancient Amazons were famous for, where some of them would cauterize one of their breasts at a young age, basically performing a single mastectomy,  in order to become better in combat and archery and  provide for better mobility, as well as for intimidation purposes. So they would walk around in short tunics with the scarred side exposed to show the world how completely and utterly badass they were. This was, of course, when I belatedly remembered that Qunari women don't normally fight, so that doesn't make a lick of sense.

 

Anyway, I don't think nudity is an issue with Qunari in the same way it would be for human and elven societies. It could just be due to the weather in the area that they inhabit being much hotter than the rest of Thedas, stated to even be tropical in climate. It would not be an illicit leap in logic for less covering, up to and including bare-chestedness, to be completely normal.


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It's kind of weird... in DA:O Sten told us that even during summer the farmers wore lots of clothes to avoid being stung by little bees. And in codex they were described as "bronze giants" in heavy armour

In DA2 everyone looks like Tarzan. Even in comics... 

???

Retcon, yeah...

 

Never got that conversation with Sten, interesting.

 

That being said, I imagine their priests are at significantly lower risks for bee-stings than their farmers are.

 

I also took the "bronze giants" term as figurative, a description of their skin color, though I did always imagine they wore heavy armor. I figured the lack of it in DA2 was because the ones we saw there were marines and survivors of a shipwreck, and from there it was just cheaper to reuse those models than make heavily armored ones, and the comics followed suit.


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Never got that conversation with Sten, interesting.

 

That being said, I imagine their priests are at significantly lower risks for bee-stings than their farmers are.

 

I also took the "bronze giants" term as figurative, a description of their skin color, though I did always imagine they wore heavy armor. I figured the lack of it in DA2 was because the ones we saw there were marines and survivors of a shipwreck, and from there it was just cheaper to reuse those models than make heavily armored ones, and the comics followed suit.

Yea i try not to judge qunari physically due resource restrictions in both previous games



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Never got that conversation with Sten, interesting.

 

That being said, I imagine their priests are at significantly lower risks for bee-stings than their farmers are.

 

I also took the "bronze giants" term as figurative, a description of their skin color, though I did always imagine they wore heavy armor. I figured the lack of it in DA2 was because the ones we saw there were marines and survivors of a shipwreck, and from there it was just cheaper to reuse those models than make heavily armored ones, and the comics followed suit.

Really? It is one of the tales he tells the PC

 

Comics also gave Sten the same outfit as Arishok had, and made Alistair orange-haired blue-eyed berserker XD 

Though based on IB's look, it seems they will follow this style. I wouldn't mind if it concerned mainly casual style, but... war? Please, give them at least chest armour



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I'm certainly not one to turn down that parade of hot Qunari manflesh. ;)


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