Templars wear heavy armor because they're part of a culture that fights in heavy armor as a matter of course. Every templar is a knight, and knights wear armor because that's what knights do.
No, knights wear armor because it protects them, their culture wears armor because it protects them.
No, knights wear armor because it protects them, their culture wears armor because it protects them.
And yet dozens of cultures throughout the world, both the real world and in Thedas, eschew heavy armor for other forms of protection and do just fine without it.
And yet dozens of cultures throughout the world, both the real world and in Thedas, eschew heavy armor for other forms of protection and do just fine without it.
That doesnt diminish the effectiveness of heavy armor. Thats like saying people do just fine with daggers therefore swords arent that useful.
That doesnt diminish the effectiveness of heavy armor. Thats like saying people do just fine with daggers therefore swords arent that useful.
I'm not trying to diminish armor's effectivness. I'm just saying that it isn't inherently more effective than other methods.
I do question how effective it actually would be against a fire ball, but then, fire balls in general are far less effective in game than they have any right to be.
I'm not trying to diminish armor's effectivness. I'm just saying that it isn't inherently more effective than other methods.
I do question how effective it actually would be against a fire ball, but then, fire balls in general are far less effective in game than they have any right to be.
When did i imply otherwise?
Think about it, lets imagine a fire ball hitting a car door, it would dissipate instantly, same with armor. It would have to be a consistent flame. Any form of magic is going to have the same effect regardless whether you're wearing armor or not
Which is my point; the effect of the spell in question is going to be horrendous burning; it's just a matter of whether or not your flesh is going to have a metal surface to stick to after it melts off your bones.
Going back to the points of practicality and efficiency, I'd argue that plate armor is anything but efficient. It takes a considerable amount of resources in metal and leather and man hours to craft a suit of heavy armor. You also have to custom fit it for each individual warrior. Then you have to maintain it when it gets damaged.
None of that is easy, or cheap. If you're talking about practicality, heavy armor isn't it.
Hell, they could take a page out of Ganghis Khan and wear silk vests beneath light armor and be "practical". Greater maneuverability, lighter, and the silk threads wrapped around the arrows and bolts that achieve penetration make for easier arrow removal. Or so the saying went, and judging by how effective Khan was, there might've been something to it.
It's just a question of what practicality is. Speed, maneuverability, and the ability to get off your ass when you fall off a horse? Or the ability to withstand more attacks when you are hit, which will be a lot more because of how slow you are, comparatively.
Which is my point; the effect of the spell in question is going to be horrendous burning; it's just a matter of whether or not your flesh is going to have a metal surface to stick to after it melts off your bones.
Going back to the points of practicality and efficiency, I'd argue that plate armor is anything but efficient. It takes a considerable amount of resources in metal and leather and man hours to craft a suit of heavy armor. You also have to custom fit it for each individual warrior. Then you have to maintain it when it gets damaged.
None of that is easy, or cheap. If you're talking about practicality, heavy armor isn't it.
The work is worth it, in game and in reality. Labor and resources cant be used as a con when the product of them is so useful, neither does it deduce that the product isnt practical. Why would they exist if it wasnt practical? I think you forget how prominent heavy armor was in reality let alone a fantasy game. Practicality is definitely not an issue
Hell, they could take a page out of Ganghis Khan and wear silk vests beneath light armor and be "practical". Greater maneuverability, lighter, and the silk threads wrapped around the arrows and bolts that achieve penetration make for easier arrow removal. Or so the saying went, and judging by how effective Khan was, there might've been something to it.
It's just a question of what practicality is. Speed, maneuverability, and the ability to get off your ass when you fall off a horse? Or the ability to withstand more attacks when you are hit, which will be a lot more because of how slow you are, comparatively.
The mongols were a horse dependent society which is why they relied on speed and maneuverability, qunari are foot soldiers that depend on the ability to take hits in order to deliver twice as much. Heavy armor is definitely the outfit of choice for their combat style
Plate armor was little more than a passing trend in real world warfare, relatively speaking. It was never the norm; the elites would wear it, but it wasn't something you'd see on more than ten percent of fighting men at most.
Other forms of mail were, of course, far more common because they didn't come with the practicality problems that platemail came with, but, again, plenty of cultures throughout history fought just fine without them.
Plate armor was little more than a passing trend in real world warfare, relatively speaking. It was never the norm; the elites would wear it, but it wasn't something you'd see on more than ten percent of fighting men at most.
Other forms of mail were, of course, far more common because they didn't come with the practicality problems that platemail came with, but, again, plenty of cultures throughout history fought just fine without them.
Im sorry but you're dead wrong. Plate armor was the absolute best armor you could equip yourself with, it wasnt the norm because common men at arms couldnt afford an entire suit. Mail worked fine for cutting weapons but was pointless against stabs, arrows, and blunt weapons. all of which would be stopped by plate armor. The only reason plate armor died out in the 18th century was because of gunpowder innovations.
Practicality problems is another thing i dont understand. It did not slow movement, it did not hinder movement, fatigue was the only issue. I dont get what practical issues you're talking about
Plenty of cultures may have done fine but in the late medieval period plate armor was a game changer, to deny plate armors effectiveness inferring that it was only a trend, is ignorance, i mean that in the true sense of the word, not as an insult.
I honestly care little about all these efficiency talks. The thing that bothers me is retcon. In DAO qunari were described as giants in armour, one qunari himself showed how overworried about protection they were. Plus they have the most advanced technologies
All of it goes against DA2 style in which they look like barbarians, even if sexy barbarians
I can understand that. Although, to be fair, DAII retconned a MASSIVE amount about the Qunari culture in general.
Asunder shown that templars can use a type of barrier that negates part/a lot of the spell's effect. It was shown directly against a fire spell.In that case Templars wouldnt bother with armor. Climate wouldnt make them wear virtually no torso armor, crusaders wore armor from head to toe despite the heat. Am i asking for massive armor, no but id like to see a practical use of armor for a society that emphasizes practicality
Im sorry but you're dead wrong. Plate armor was the absolute best armor you could equip yourself with, it wasnt the norm because common men at arms couldnt afford an entire suit. Mail worked fine for cutting weapons but was pointless against stabs, arrows, and blunt weapons. all of which would be stopped by plate armor. The only reason plate armor died out in the 18th century was because of gunpowder innovations.
Practicality problems is another thing i dont understand. It did not slow movement, it did not hinder movement, fatigue was the only issue. I dont get what practical issues you're talking about
Plenty of cultures may have done fine but in the late medieval period plate armor was a game changer, to deny plate armors effectiveness inferring that it was only a trend, is ignorance, i mean that in the true sense of the word, not as an insult.
I'm not saying plate armor wasn't the best protection. I'm saying it wasn't something you could reasonably outfit an army with because when you're outfitting an army, efficiency and practicality is everything.
And it was a trend precisely because gunpowder came around and proved that armor in general was fading.
Subtle retcon and retcon of plot holes and bad writing I would understand. Retcon of everything else - noI can understand that. Although, to be fair, DAII retconned a MASSIVE amount about the Qunari culture in general.
All this armor talk is making me think if Iron Bull is able to wear helmets at all since he has big azz horns.
Will he be able to wear the same helmet as the Qunari Inquisitor?
Also, does anyone know if companions will have unique specialization like DA2?
I can only imagine Iron Bull's unique specialization might have some influence of the Qun. Or the Merc life.
I'm not saying plate armor wasn't the best protection. I'm saying it wasn't something you could reasonably outfit an army with because when you're outfitting an army, efficiency and practicality is everything.
And it was a trend precisely because gunpowder came around and proved that armor in general was fading.
When did i imply that every Qunari needed one?
All this armor talk is making me think if Iron Bull is able to wear helmets at all since he has big azz horns.
Will he be able to wear the same helmet as the Qunari Inquisitor?
Also, does anyone know if companions will have unique specialization like DA2?
I can only imagine Iron Bull's unique specialization might have some influence of the Qun. Or the Merc life.
IM assuming since one piece of armor changes in a big way from companion to companion, the iconic helmet would at the very least, add some holes on the sides
How are hats (helmets or things like the mages hat) in general going to work for Qunari? Both the IB and Qunquisitor (I think) are going to have horns, and that's a bit in the way, isn't it?
Helmets will most likely shape around the horns having slits or holes for them to fit into.
I walk in for the first time in days to take a break from studying for finals, and what's the first thing I see?
Iron Bull looking way too happy with a seashall bra. Do not want, kthnxbye.
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