I just went through all this bother of promoting and leveling all my MP classes to get my war assets high enough for Javik to "sense confidence" rather than "worry" about the Reaper War. Yet even with an EMS of 4100 Javik still sensed worry when we picked him up. Just how high does that number need to be for Javik's dialogue to change?
Most of the time I recruit him after the coup with my ems above 3000 and I get that line. he senses confidence and says to Shepard 'you believe you are winning'
Most of the time I recruit him after the coup with my ems above 3000 and I get that line. he senses confidence and says to Shepard 'you believe you are winning'
I have an EMS over 10,000 at the beginning of the game from MP, and I still never get the lines about confidence.
I have an EMS over 10,000 at the beginning of the game from MP, and I still never get the lines about confidence.
Maybe it has something to do with when you recruit him. I know I get that line when I recuit him after the coup and after I do Palaven he senses fear
iirc, it's based on when you recruit him, and he'll sense confidence in you sometime after Priority: Tuchanka.
I only got it on the odd occasion I recruited him later. It's usually the first mission I do.
I am pretty sure it is when you recruit him. I find if I recruit him later in the game, he senses your confidence since you took down at least one Reaper (Tuchanka and possibly on Rannoch).
If you do it after the Citadel Coup, he senses confidence. I've never done it between Priority: Tuchanka, and Priority: Citadel II, someone else would have to test that.
I always recruited him as my very first mission off the Citadel. I have a 55/45 Paragon/Renegade reputation, so I don't think it's that (I max out both bars in ME1 and ME2 through exploits).
OK, I guess it does have to do with when you recruit him. I remember the one time I heard that dialogue is when I recruited him after the coup. I saved the mission that time because I wanted to bring Ashley along to see what she had to say about Eden Prime.
As to the Paragon/Renegade stuff: Javik's dialogue changes when he says that nothing matters except defeating the Reapers. If Shepard says that's extreme, (paragon response) Javik says "stand in the ashes of a trillion dead souls and ask them if honor matters." If Shepard says "then you have found an ally. This ship is dedicated to stopping the Reapers" (renegade response) then Javik checks your Paragon/Renegade score. If your paragon score is higher he will tell you you are lying. If your renegade score is higher then he will tell you he does not detect a lie. (I wonder if their is also a neutral response, since this time Javik added "for now." I don't remember that from the last time my renegade score was higher.)
There should have been a Paragon interrupt in that conversation.
To do what?There should have been a Paragon interrupt in that conversation.
To interrupt Javik before he says 'The silence is your answer.'
And what platitude could you possibly offer to the guy who watched the final extermination of his entire species as a retort?To interrupt Javik before he says 'The silence is your answer.'
To interrupt Javik before he says 'The silence is your answer.'
And what would you have the interrupt do?
Truth is not dependent on whether Javik gets anything out of it or not. It's not Shepard's concern.
I think Shepard should have listed the things he's seen and lost - the men on Elysium or Torfan or Akuze, Ashley or Kaidan on Virmire, the destruction at the Battle of the Citadel, stand a foot from Javik and tell him honor matters.
And what platitude could you possibly offer to the guy who watched the final extermination of his entire species as a retort?
David's going to go on about how honor matters on a metaphysical level or something.
It's why he hates Javik so much. Minus his prejudices, Javik is pretty much what Shepard is to the Protheans. Before David says Javik failed because he wasn't 'heroic' or 'honorable' or some bullcrap, Javik fails because he was born when the Reaper extermination of the Protheans had been ongoing for several centuries. But of course, that should't matter to a sufficiently heroic and powerful character. Nevermind economics, lack of resources, or any kind of strategic capability, since those aren't really 'powerful'.
Truth is not dependent on whether Javik gets anything out of it or not. It's not Shepard's concern.
I think Shepard should have listed the things he's seen and lost - the men on Elysium or Torfan or Akuze, Ashley or Kaidan on Virmire, the destruction at the Battle of the Citadel, stand a foot from Javik and tell him honor matters.
And how does honor matter? Honestly, what do you actually believe about honor? What do you actually know about honor?
Javik would (rightly) give him a retort asking him how he would back that up. Just as I am here telling you to back it up.
I've seen people what happens when people who believe in honor get carried away. Usually, it involved us going in there to save their ass. And more than once, it ended with someone getting sent home wrapped in a flag.
Truth is not dependent on whether Javik gets anything out of it or not. It's not Shepard's concern.
I think Shepard should have listed the things he's seen and lost - the men on Elysium or Torfan or Akuze, Ashley or Kaidan on Virmire, the destruction at the Battle of the Citadel, stand a foot from Javik and tell him honor matters.
Wait, I don't get it. How does the fact that Shepard sacrificed some soldiers indicate that honor matters?
First of all, Shepard 'losing' soldiers is not Shepard 'sacrificing' soldiers. But to answer your question, it doesn't. That's precisely what Shepard is saying. Javik says it does. Shepard says it doesn't.
What? Your statement has a very muddled meaning. I can only guess that you're going to use this to your advantage in the coming argument somehow, by being intentionally vague.
Javik says that because a bunch of people died, honor doesn't matter.
Shepard says that honor matters no matter how many people died, and indicates it by reminding Javik of everyone he's seen die.
Javik says that because a bunch of people died, honor doesn't matter.
Shepard says that honor matters no matter how many people died, and indicates it by reminding Javik of everyone he's seen die.
And Javik would simply reiterate that honor doesn't matter. How does Shepard seeing people die make honor matter? I've seen people die. Hell, somewhere in Afghanistan, there might be a corpse of some Taliban that I hit somewhere. There wasn't any honor involved. You're not saying why honor matters. You're just saying that it does.
....Um...am I the only one that's confused? Your reasoning doesn't make any sense Bobvid.
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