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[Astrogenesis]

What if, instead of the young boy, the Catalyst presented itself as your Virmire Sacrifice from ME1, either Ashley or Kaiden.

I think it would give the player a more familiar face to converse with, rather than some kid you saw die on earth. 

 

Obviously the dream sequences would change a little. Instead of chasing the child, perhaps you would be trying to reach your VS, before the dream ends with the nuke going off.

It also wouldn't have been hard to do as the model for each already exists in the game.

 

If asked why it was presenting itself as your VS, it would explain that it chose someone from your past to make it easier for you. But hey, that's more of an explanation we got for it being a dead child.

[von uber]

But if you had never played ME1, or didn't really care about them if you did, then what difference would it make?

[Mcfly616]

No...I definitely wouldn't want it to appear as the VS.


If it switched between holographic projections of various squadmates as it spoke (sorta like Leviathan) that'd be cool.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

 Blob from Accounting is going to blow a horn.

[Astrogenesis]

No...I definitely wouldn't want it to appear as the VS.


If it switched between holographic projections of various squadmates as it spoke (sorta like Leviathan) that'd be cool.

Ah, yes, that would work better.

 

Then the dreams could feature various squad mates that you had lost up until that point, they could be quite varied depending on your ME2 suicide mission.  

[SwobyJ]

lol look at my image

 

I still hate the Catalyst and ME3's use of this kid, but I've come to accept it, in itself.

[themikefest]

It switches to Anderson when talking about destroy

 

It switches to TIM when talking about control

 

It switches to Saren( if you played ME1) or to edi(if you haven't played ME1) when talking about synthesis

[AlanC9]

Ah, yes, that would work better.
 
Then the dreams could feature various squad mates that you had lost up until that point, they could be quite varied depending on your ME2 suicide mission.

Or completely unvaried for players who brought everyone through, though at least you could probably add Legion.

And for players who didn't import? Anderson's still available, I guess. Maybe Mordin and Miranda. One or two more if you played low EMS and got them vaporized (only one if EDI's mobile platform got cooked). Tali if you got her to commit suicide. I guess Anderson's mandatory death makes it workable in all circumstances.

[AlanC9]

 
It switches to Saren( if you played ME1) or to edi(if you haven't played ME1) when talking about synthesis

Good point about EDI. Maybe this shouldn't be limited to dead characters.

[Astrogenesis]

Or completely unvaried for players who brought everyone through, though at least you could probably add Legion.

And for players who didn't import? Anderson's still available, I guess. Maybe Mordin and Miranda. One or two more if you played low EMS and got them vaporized (only one if EDI's mobile platform got cooked). Tali if you got her to commit suicide. I guess Anderson's mandatory death makes it workable in all circumstances.

And Thane.

[TheOneTrueBioticGod]

Why not the LI?

[AlanC9]

And Thane.

If you imported from ME2, sure. Though I suppose the default could be changed so Thane automatically survives the SM if no import. Legion too, though maybe he could be used anyway because the player would at least have met the Legion VI.

[Karlone123]

I suppose the Catalyst could switch between the people Shepard is most closest too, I especially like the idea of switching between Saren/Anderson/Tim when explaining Control/Synthesis/Destroy, Instead of the Catalyst assuming the child's voice and appearence (which I have come to find annoying), just switch to manners of the characters. It would be a more bearable scene then.

[Reorte]

What would be the point? It would simply look like an even more blatant attempt at manipulation than using a kid.

[Bob from Accounting]

It's a really poor idea.

 

For one thing, it basically makes the VS out to be the most important person of the series to the have them the only character besides Shepard present at the climax. The implication is that Shepard has been going out of his mind over the VS for the entire series. Which is silly.

 

For another, the Catalyst is supposed to be the antagonist. The enemy. Why do people want him to have as friendly a face as possible? The gist of this forum seems to be that people are furious at being 'forced' to agree with him, yet why is this thread full of people requesting a credible face and voice?

 

A simple question: Do you want the Catalyst to be right, or do you want him to be wrong?

[MassivelyEffective0730]

For another, the Catalyst is supposed to be the antagonist. The enemy. Why do people want him to have as friendly a face as possible?

 

Because he's an antagonist does not necessarily mean he has to be the enemy, or even a villain. You're stating what you want. Other people might agree, but this is on your own ideal. I disagree about the VS being the avatar; for starters, how the hell would the Catalyst even know about the Virmire Death? 

 

That said, there's nothing wrong with a supposed God-tier antagonists. The Reapers are not villains to be vanquished, but opponents to be outmaneuvered and defeated. I have no hatred for them: They're following their mandate. I disagree with it and hold it to be full of logical fallacies and inadequate science guided by a breathtaking god-complex. 

 

I believe the Catalyst should make a unique style of appearance and position, being an utterly alien and unrecognizable being with its own unrecognizable sense of morality and ethics. It doesn't play by our rules, and we don't play by its rules. But to simplify the conflict, its a legitimate conflict of interest. It does what it does, and I do what I do. They're incompatible, thus bringing conflict. One lives. One dies. However, you can have a programming error in the hardware that makes it feel that it does what it does out of a logic bomb. That's how I view it already. It's too limited in its mandate. Too much emphasis was placed on its logic, and not enough placed on its end-state consequence.

[ImaginaryMatter]

 Blob from Accounting is going to blow a horn.

 

You have gypsy powers sir, you predicted the future.

[ImaginaryMatter]

I just wish they carried the weird/mystical vibe of the ending all the way if it had to be there.

 

Have it take place in the orginal garden setting; make the Catalyst change forms or take on several forms or something, maybe even a burning bush.

[Benchpress610]

Why not the Easter Bunny? It would make the same effect as the kid. 

[Village_Idiot]

The Catalyst appears manipulative enough in its current guise, seeing as it seems to be drawing from Shepard's memories. If it took the appearance of the VS, it would become even more so.

[Astartes Marine]

 

For one thing, it basically makes the VS out to be the most important person of the series to the have them the only character besides Shepard present at the climax.

How does the Catalyst taking the form of a familiar face make that character the most important person in the series?  That's a pretty big leap...

 

 

The implication is that Shepard has been going out of his mind over the VS for the entire series. Which is silly.

That's another leap in logic that you've taken.  Shepard is a military officer, a Commander.  He or she leads soldiers and sometimes those soldiers will die, but the leader will always remember their faces and names, and in some cases carry some regret that they had to make the tough call that led those troops to their deaths.  Perhaps even survivor's guilt.

 

 

For another, the Catalyst is supposed to be the antagonist. The enemy. Why do people want him to have as friendly a face as possible?

 

You look at it as a friendly face, but I see it in a different light.  Suddenly seeing and hearing the person who a leader left to die would be a very difficult experience considering any emotional baggage and regret for that particular loss and one could assume the Catalyst would use that familiar face to manipulate Shepard's emotions. 

 

A friendly face sure, but not for friendly reasons.  Villains who twirl their mustaches like Saren would be too easy to spot.

[ImaginaryMatter]

Why not the Easter Bunny? It would make the same effect as the kid. 

 

Maybe the guy in the bunny suit from Donnie Darko?

[Bob from Accounting]

How does the Catalyst taking the form of a familiar face make that character the most important person in the series?  That's a pretty big leap...

 

Because it's apparently the character on Shepard's mind the most at the very climax of the story?

 

Because Shepard is torn up about the VS three years later instead of everyone and anyone else?
 

[Chardonney]

What if, instead of the young boy, the Catalyst presented itself as your Virmire Sacrifice from ME1, either Ashley or Kaiden.

I think it would give the player a more familiar face to converse with, rather than some kid you saw die on earth. 

 

Ah, no. I always let Ashley die in Virmire and if the Catalyst presented itself as Ashley, I would be very, very tempted to shoot it instead of the tube.   

[ImaginaryMatter]

Ah, no. I always let Ashley die in Virmire and if the Catalyst presented itself as Ashley, I would be very, very tempted to shoot it instead of the tube. 

 

"Screw the galaxy, Ashley must die!"