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[shonawarrior]

I love dwarves, but why don't the dwarva (dwarves) start expanding their territories while they still can? The Darkspawn just got destroyed up-top by my warden (again). I thought dwarves were the smart and practical types among all the idiots that inhabit Thedas.

[Saints]

Why would you clear all of the literature in the Aeducan Thaig?!?

[The Elder King]

I love dwarves, but why don't the dwarva (dwarves) start expanding their territories while they still can? The Darkspawn just got destroyed up-top by my warden (again). I thought dwarves were the smart and practical types among all the idiots that inhabit Thedas.

You didn't destroy the whole horde. Most of it started fleeing underground the moment Urthemiel was killed. And no the fact that you killed all hostiles in the Deep Roads doesn't mean that you really killed all the darkspwan i the DR. There's a lore/gameplay segregation at work here.
Plus, the dwarves clearly stated that the Blights decrease the pression on them, but it's just a short break. Which migt not be necessarily enough to reconquer thaigs and stabilize the defences. Not to mention that the dwarves might not be numerically enough to pull this off.
That said, some epilogues mentioned that the dwarves reclaimed some territory, so we might know more in DAI.
About dwarves being the smart and practical types, you're talking about a culture that regardless the risk of extinction didn't change the rules about the castleless (who would increased a lot the number of warriors) for centuries.

[shonawarrior]

You didn't destroy the whole horde. Most of it started fleeing underground the moment Urthemiel was killed. And no the fact that you killed all hostiles in the Deep Roads doesn't mean that you really killed all the darkspwan i the DR. There's a lore/gameplay segregation at work here.
Plus, the dwarves clearly stated that the Blights decrease the pression on them, but it's just a short break. Which migt not be necessarily enough to reconquer thaigs and stabilize the defences. Not to mention that the dwarves might not be numerically enough to pull this off.
That said, some epilogues mentioned that the dwarves reclaimed some territory, so we might know more in DAI.
About dwarves being the smart and practical types, you're talking about a culture that regardless the risk of extinction didn't change the rules about the castleless (who would increased a lot the number of warriors) for centuries.

....OK the caste system is retarded, but that's why we have Bhelen. If you chose Haramont he dies, and hopefully the assembly chooses a better king like Bhelen, or he gets hordes of Golems from Branka who. for some reason, can contact orzammar all the way from the anvil of the void, but somehow is alive despite lack of food and being surrounded by lyrium. They could just send my warden down there, end of story.

[The Elder King]

....OK the caste system is retarded, but that's why we have Bhelen. If you chose Haramont he dies, and hopefully the assembly chooses a better king like Bhelen, or he gets hordes of Golems from Branka who. for some reason, can contact orzammar all the way from the anvil of the void, but somehow is alive despite lack of food and being surrounded by lyrium. They could just send my warden down there, end of story.

Your Warden is who knows where.
Anyway, yes, Bhelen changes things and regardless of the branka choice the dwarves reclaimed some territories in the epilogues (more with the golems obviosly). We might see what is happening in DAI.

[TheLittleBird]

I don't even know whether or not I find it worth my time to respond to this, since the discussion seems to already have ended. 

No offense meant, by the way. 

 

I will say this, though:

 

Game = Not extremely accurate representation of the lore

[JeffZero]

Why would you clear all of the literature in the Aeducan Thaig?!?

[thats1evildude]

What do you have against books, man?

 

Anyways, the dwarves did re-settle Kal Hirol. That is canon.

[Ophir147]

The Warden cleared out the Deep Roads leading to Bownammar, yeah. But in the middle of a Blight, when a lion's share of the horde was swarming the surface or mobilizing to do so. Once the Blight is over, the Darkspawn flood the Deep Roads in even greater numbers in order to replenish their numbers and find another Old God to taint.

 

I don't care if you bungee jumped into the Dead Trenches yourself and slaughtered all the darkspawn right in front of the Archdemon. Any progress made would be reversed a whenever the Darkspawn go back on the defensive after a Blight.

 

And Kal'Hirol is being slowly reclaimed. I wouldn't expect a reclamation of that magnitude be be complete before the end of the Dragon Age though, at any rate.

[Wulfram]

They don't have many people, I don't think.  I guess they'd need to welcome back surfacers to really settle more of the deep roads

[Eveangaline]

Clearing it just means getting rid of the darkspawn that are there right at that moment you go in. They still fill the area all around it and likely start filtering back in as soon as you're gone.

[shonawarrior]

The Warden cleared out the Deep Roads leading to Bownammar, yeah. But in the middle of a Blight, when a lion's share of the horde was swarming the surface or mobilizing to do so. Once the Blight is over, the Darkspawn flood the Deep Roads in even greater numbers in order to replenish their numbers and find another Old God to taint.

 

I don't care if you bungee jumped into the Dead Trenches yourself and slaughtered all the darkspawn right in front of the Archdemon. Any progress made would be reversed a whenever the Darkspawn go back on the defensive after a Blight.

 

And Kal'Hirol is being slowly reclaimed. I wouldn't expect a reclamation of that magnitude be be complete before the end of the Dragon Age though, at any rate.

• Kal'Hirol is cleared of darkspawn, and eventually the dwarves of Orzammarattempt to reclaim it. House Helmi ultimately leads a host of dwarves to clear the Deep Roads between Orzammar and Kal'Hirol, and though the losses were great, they are ultimately successful. Kal'Hirol is reclaimed by Orzammar once and for all.
• If the Warden returns from Kal'Hirol with the plate that honors the casteless that died to defend Kal'Hirol, the dwarves of Orzammar that reclaim Kal'Hirol hold a special celebration for them, and the Warden is invited to the proceedings as a guest of honor.

[Ophir147]

 

• Kal'Hirol is cleared of darkspawn, and eventually the dwarves of Orzammarattempt to reclaim it. House Helmi ultimately leads a host of dwarves to clear the Deep Roads between Orzammar and Kal'Hirol, and though the losses were great, they are ultimately successful. Kal'Hirol is reclaimed by Orzammar once and for all.
• If the Warden returns from Kal'Hirol with the plate that honors the casteless that died to defend Kal'Hirol, the dwarves of Orzammar that reclaim Kal'Hirol hold a special celebration for them, and the Warden is invited to the proceedings as a guest of honor.

 

 

You might be interested in this little post from the G-Man himself.

 

http://social.biowar...62983/4#6063648

 

[CybAnt1]

[St. Victorious]

So what does this have to do with DAI? Your warden having cleared the left-overs from a blight and the hearsay of Kal-Hirol might have little or nothing to do with your Inquisitor.

[Nyeredzi]

So what does this have to do with DAI? Your warden having cleared the left-overs from a blight and the hearsay of Kal-Hirol might have little or nothing to do with your Inquisitor.

I think many adveturers would take that oppotunity to delv down there, and discover stuff. Remember Wilhelm

[goat_fab]

As others have said, the game isn't exactly a perfect representation of the actual world. Denerim is supposed to be a huge city with a very large and bustling marketplace, yet in the game it's 5 stalls, a tavern, a mage shop, and a single armorer, with only 4 people wandering it at any given time. It's not a perfect representation.

Yes, your Warden and his/her allies are extremely powerful individuals and work great as a team, but do you really think they killed every Darkspawn in the Deep Roads? Four people? Versus every Darkspawn in the Deep Roads, and literally the entire horde was fueled by the what....6 brood mothers in the game? Also, keep in mind that the majority of the dwarven population is in Orzammar. As great as it would be to go out and reclaim and repopulate the lost thaigs, it would be extremely difficult after such a major upheaval in government and with such few numbers. All of the remaining dwarves were pushed back to Kal-Sharok and Orzammar. Any dwarf that didn't make it to one of these two cities is dead. The only dwarven population that's still considered valuable to the dwarves (which, as we all know, doesn't include the casteless or surfacers) can only expand as much as the city can hold, which isn't a lot. The dwarves will certainly try to reclaim what they can, but it ain't gonna be much.

[Dio Demon]

You do know this poster has a habit of creating troll threads.

[shonawarrior]

You do know this poster has a habit of creating troll threads.

hello

[Ophir147]

The Warden cleared out the Deep Roads leading to Bownammar, yeah. But in the middle of a Blight, when a lion's share of the horde was swarming the surface or mobilizing to do so. Once the Blight is over, the Darkspawn flood the Deep Roads in even greater numbers in order to replenish their numbers and find another Old God to taint.

 

I don't care if you bungee jumped into the Dead Trenches yourself and slaughtered all the darkspawn right in front of the Archdemon. Any progress made would be reversed a whenever the Darkspawn go back on the defensive after a Blight.

 

And Kal'Hirol is being slowly reclaimed. I wouldn't expect a reclamation of that magnitude be be complete before the end of the Dragon Age though, at any rate.

 

I retract the underlined and italicized statement. I was wrong, there's no information that suggests this would be true. My bad. 

 

But it is claimed that Kal'Hirol was "reclaimed." Rather ambiguous wording. We just haven't been given enough information to judge why or why not the Dwarves have not moved into the Thaig, but I would err on the side of caution and say they wouldn't be able to fully reclaim, repopulate and rebuild the thaig.

[Grieving Natashina]

You do know this poster has a habit of creating troll threads.

Yeah, I'm noticing.

 

 

You might be interested in this little post from the G-Man himself.

 

http://social.biowar...62983/4#6063648

 

 

Here's the quote, since I doubt the OP clicked on it.

 

So... you know what the Grey Wardens would or would not do?

 

Well alrighty, then. Clearly you know better than I do.

 

Like I said, it's a hand-wave overall. We do explain how things came to be depending on your end result, but we don't sit there and guide you through it step-by-step. We treat the epilogues as hearsay and rumor, after all, and when it comes to things that were forecast far in the future they may indeed still happen. If you want to treat them as more than that, that's up to you.

 

 

[Former_Fiend]

Working under the assumption that your party of four people put a bigger dent in the darkspawn lines than the Legion of the Dead or the armies of Orzamar have in centuries...

 

Main reason, I'd assume, is that there simply aren't that many dwarves. Not enough that they could devote the time and resources to resettling and fortifying these places while securing the lines back to Orzamar before they found themselves under siege again. 

[shonawarrior]

Working under the assumption that your party of four people put a bigger dent in the darkspawn lines than the Legion of the Dead or the armies of Orzamar have in centuries...

 

Main reason, I'd assume, is that there simply aren't that many dwarves. Not enough that they could devote the time and resources to resettling and fortifying these places while securing the lines back to Orzamar before they found themselves under siege again. 

bhelen 

[Nyeredzi]

bhelen 

elaborate

[goat_fab]

bhelen 

 

 

elaborate

I think what these two....brilliant...comments were trying to point out was that Bhelen attempted to reclaim some lost thaigs. In the end, yes, the dwarves, under Bhelen's rule, successfully extended the reach of Orzammar following the lull in darkspawn caused by the Fifth Blight. However, it's only a thaig or two. They don't have the man dwarfpower to reclaim, repopulate, and guard every thaig from Orzammar to the Dead Trenches, and they certainly don't have enough dwarfpower to guard every side tunnel and cave that the darkspawn and shifting world are constantly creating.