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#301
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I would put Steve over Joker because he was on track for CAG, which when I looked it up, seems to mean he would have been in charge of all carriers in the fleet until he was diverted for his procurement specialty.

 

I think for any other ship, I'd 100% agree. However, I don't like gays (lol no I am one!) think the Normandy is the same. Joker has much more experience with it, and in this kinda spacefaring scenario, I think that matters.

 

I don't outright disagree though. I think he works.


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Whoa whoa whooa there slow down. Take it from someone who is actually gay and has had to experience the foolishness that is overly religious zealots. Ashley is nowhere near that and I honestly find that comparison offensive. Being completely loyal to something isn't that same as being a bible thumping zealot who turns on family when they come out of the closet. You can hate Ashley as much as you want, but just like how i would never claim to know more than you about the military you don't make a bunch of comparisons for a group of people that you don't belong to. 

 

IKR. Ashley is the perfect example of tolerance, and over time, becomes an at least moderate example of acceptance.


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Thing is, we are assuming that the *partial* data actually included this information, or that the data survived the ordeal when the Eva Core mech activated its backup and attacked the AI core while she was sifting through its files.


Also assuming Eva didn't download to TIM and then purge the data between the time her shuttle crashed and she emerged. It may not have been there for EDI to find.



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I think for any other ship, I'd 100% agree. However, I don't like gays (lol no I am one!) think the Normandy is the same. Joker has much more experience with it, and in this kinda spacefaring scenario, I think that matters.
 
I don't outright disagree though. I think he works.


NOT TEH GEAYZ!!!

But seriously, Joker has more experience with the Normandy itself, but I'm sure Steve has more piloting experience in general (just speculation...*ahem* not that I'm biased at all). And really piloting experience has nothing to do with leadership quality, unless one was leader of a pack if frigates/fighters, which Steve may have been. Either way, we don't really know enough about either of their previous stations to get into it too deeply.
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Also assuming Eva didn't download to TIM and then purge the data between the time her shuttle crashed and she emerged. It may not have been there for EDI to find.


Pretty much. If a file folder is downloading and is interrupted, some files *might* be intact, but others would be either corrupted or missing.

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You've never been in spaceee.

 

It's like, standards for military in this international world are actually pretty different than several years ago, in a more regional/continental world.

 

Things change.

 

Ashley got a bit curious in the beacon and somewhat leaned in. The most honest mistake there could ever be. She has great credentials to at least be on a squad. You just don't like her.

 

Yeah. They're typically a lot higher standards. You're expected to act professionally and never lose your bearing. You stick to the SOP, and you keep your objective in mind. You instinctively know what to do and what not to do, what's expected of you and what's not. Regardless, your point is invalid; you're saying that being in space somehow means the same kind of standards and procedures would change. What's that say when the military doesn't behave like a professional military? I understand curiosity. I don't accept it as an excuse. I'm curious about a lot of things on the battlefield. I don't go off and examine them because of it. 

 

And yes, her credentials do give her the means to serve on a squad. But her credentials are limited to keep her from serving on *my* squad. Tell me what credentials she has that no other NCO or Officer in the alliance should have?



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Yeah. They're typically a lot higher standards. You're expected to act professionally and never lose your bearing. You stick to the SOP, and you keep your objective in mind. You instinctively know what to do and what not to do, what's expected of you and what's not. Regardless, your point is invalid; you're saying that being in space somehow means the same kind of standards and procedures would change. What's that say when the military doesn't behave like a professional military? I understand curiosity. I don't accept it as an excuse. I'm curious about a lot of things on the battlefield. I don't go off and examine them because of it. 
 
And yes, her credentials do give her the means to serve on a squad. But her credentials are limited to keep her from serving on *my* squad. Tell me what credentials she has that no other NCO or Officer in the alliance should have?


Better shields than Jenkins.

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Whoa whoa whooa there slow down. Take it from someone who is actually gay and has had to experience the foolishness that is overly religious zealots. Ashley is nowhere near that and I honestly find that comparison offensive. Being completely loyal to something isn't the same as being a bible thumping zealot who turns on their family when they come out of the closet. You can hate Ashley as much as you want, but just like how I would never claim to know more than you about the military you don't make a bunch of comparisons for a group of people that you don't belong to.

 

It's a very valid comparison. Take it from someone who has had to experience their brand of hate and bigotry as an atheist. Especially one in the military (in the anonymity of the internet, I can say that it is a bastion of religious zealotry. Not that everyone or even most are, but they can be vocal, and they can get away with it. Especially since many of the most vocal are in command positions.) I've been reprimanded for not being a 'spiritually fit' Soldier.

 

I maintain my position on her. As well, whether or not I belong to a group does not invalidate or discredit a point based on that merit alone. You can make a general comparison with something about the military and I won't contest it if it's a valid comparison. 



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Better shields than Jenkins.

 

Touche. 



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Better shields than Jenkins.

How different would it of been if Shepard didn't make him point man just before he was killed? They only killed him off to make room for Ashley.



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How different would it of been if Shepard didn't make him point man just before he was killed? They only killed him off to make room for Ashley.

Imagine playing through the whole trilogy as Jenkins after Shepard, the Lion of Elysium/Butcher of Torfan/Survivor of Akuze, bites it in the first three minutes planetside.


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Imagine playing through the whole trilogy as Jenkins after Shepard, the Lion of Elysium/Butcher of Torfan/Survivor of Akuze, bites it in the first three minutes planetside.

All they would've had to do is once you meet up with Ashley is send Jenkins back to where the Normandy dropped you to await pick up and when back on the Citadel he gets reassigned to another posting. There was no reason to kill him off.



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All they would've had to do is once you meet up with Ashley is send Jenkins back to where the Normandy dropped you to await pick up and when back on the Citadel he gets reassigned to another posting. There was no reason to kill him off.

Drama. Sort of like Saren's, uh... episode... reacting to the situation.



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You know what else is dramatic? Ashley's makeover. There back on topic.

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You know what else is dramatic? Ashley's makeover. There back on topic.

 

What makeover?

 

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Thank you to the geniuses at NexusMods (option 1) (option 2).


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Bring back Nihlus. He got a raw deal. The only reason he was killed was because the writers put him in a bad place.



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All they would've had to do is once you meet up with Ashley is send Jenkins back to where the Normandy dropped you to await pick up and when back on the Citadel he gets reassigned to another posting. There was no reason to kill him off.

 

Isn't BioWare tradition to have a squadmate killed off in the first mission?

 



Bring back Nihlus. He got a raw deal. The only reason he was killed was because the writers put him in a bad place.

 

http://koobismo.devi...t-ME3-291069441



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What makeover?

 

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Thank you to the geniuses at NexusMods (option 1) (option 2).

 

I always thought it would have been interesting to see her ponytail, as seen in the artbook.



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Isn't BioWare tradition to have a squadmate killed off in the first mission?

 

 

If that's the case why wasn't Miranda or Jacob killed on Freedom's Progress?



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If that's the case why wasn't Miranda or Jacob killed on Freedom's Progress?


Technically leaving the station was the first mission and Wilson died, leaving the tradition intact

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Technically leaving the station was the first mission and Wilson died, leaving the tradition intact

Wouldn't the SR1 blowing up be the first mission?

 

What about Anderson on Earth at the beginning?



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Technically leaving the station was the first mission and Wilson died, leaving the tradition intact

Oh, God... does that make Starjar the one who dies in ME3?



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Wouldn't the SR1 blowing up be the first mission?

 

What about Anderson on Earth at the beginning?

 

While the Normandy destruction bit is technically a mission since it shows up the list of assignments, it's more a kin to an interactive cutscene. There's no combat or tutorials. No one is giving expository dialogue, telling Shepard how to play, or what to do. The player only has control over movement and the camera. The first mission would be aboard Lazarus station which has the tutorials and expository dialogue.

 

The last couple of BioWare games have really broken tradition. There's no more 4 big quest structure and I guess they don't do the squadmate thing any more. Maybe it's a revised version because death does eventually come for Anderson, it just takes a while.



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I really think it should be someone in the alliance military who is XO. The Alliance military are the only ones who are going to care. Navigator Pressly was perfect in ME1; He never went on away missions, and he really had nothing to do when shep wasn't on the ship.

 

So if I try to look at it that way, then Traynor is the only choice, unless Ashley/Kaidan or James don't accompany shep on an away mission. Probably be good for James if he really wants command of his own ship someday.



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well in all rights considering Admiral Anderson "gives you" the ship, and Admiral Hackett authorizes Shep to broker treaties, he is pretty much at the Captain level, or even Admiral considering the whole Admiralty board got killed.

 

Even tho he is never promoted from Commander.