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[KaiserShep]

Kaidan was a foil for Udina's plot, so technically, Shepard was under no such obligation at that point, because the station was under attack, and had Kaidan gotten his way, he and the two councilors would be dead. If anything, Shepard would be obligated to kill anyone getting in the way of stopping the coup. The entire affair leads me to believe that Kaidan's inception into the rank of the Spectres was under false pretenses from the start.

[eyezonlyii]

I figured they made kaiden a major because it's harder for some people to figure out he outranks shepard. though it didn't work on me. and you'd think after the battle for the citadel they'd have promoted shepard. but, no.

 

 

I just figure that the promotion was in the works when Shepard died. Then in the months of ME2 and 3, there was too much going on.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

But military promotions don't work that way. One does not jump from gunnery sergeant to lt. cmdr. in 2.5 years. One does not jump from 1st Lt to bird Colonel (which is essentially what Major is in ME) in 2.5 years.

[Invisible Man]

But military promotions don't work that way. One does not jump from gunnery sergeant to lt. cmdr. in 2.5 years. One does not jump from 1st Lt to bird Colonel (which is essentially what Major is in ME) in 2.5 years.

that's also why I said if shep was in the alliance from me1 through 2, & 3, s/he'd be a vice admiral by the time me3 came around.

[Han Shot First]

But Kaidan outranked Shepard. Kaidan was the equivalent of a Navy Captain and later was that AND a Spectre. Shepard was under obligation to stand down when ordered by Alenko since Alenko outranked him/her and was also a Spectre. This assured Alenko's death since he was a superior officer. Shepard should have been addressing Alenko as "sir."

 

 

A lot of the military stuff was borked by devs with no military experience. Not that military experience was needed mind you, but it would have added to the atmosphere of the game and allowed for greater suspension of disbelief if some research was done to compensate for the lack of real world experience. Since that didn't happen you get odd things like Star Wars promotions. (Ashley jumping from Gunnery Chief to Lt. Commander), all named Alliance characters other than Traynor being officers, left-handed salutes, Traynor not seeming to have any military training beyond her technical skills, ect.

 

Shepard *might* still outrank Kaidan however. I say might because Shepard's rank in ME3 is another one of those military details that got borked. It is abbreviated as CDR, which is the abbreviation for Commander. Lt. Commander (Shep's rank in ME1) would be abbreviated as LCDR. Someone obviously forgot that Shepard's rank is actually Lt. Commander, probably due to confusion over both Commanders and Lt. Commanders being addressed as just 'Commander.' Depending on how you want to approach that error, it is possible that Shepard was promoted between games, perhaps posthumously in the aftermath of the destruction of the Normandy SR1. The other issue with the CDR abbreviation however is that according to the codex, there is no Commander rank in the Alliance Navy. It jumps from Lt. Commander to Staff Commander. So if that error unintentionally canonized a promotion for Shepard, CDR either functons as the abbreviation for Staff Commander in the series or a Commander rank was created at some point after ME1.

[eyezonlyii]

I headcanon that Kaidan was given an automatic promotion after the Battle of the Citadel just for being there (I assume everyone got this same promotion...minus Shepard. Maybe they went in alphabetical order or something) and yes, I know that's not standard protocol, but ART! Either that or he, like Ashley had been overlooked for a few promotions and they promoted him after the battle for that (I mean my mom was in the USAF, and I know she spent more time as a Tech Sgt. than she should have because of retaliation from her CO). Then he was promoted on merit for something done within the 2 years that Shepard was "recovering". Lastly, he was promoted again when offered the biotic division because he needed to outrank everyone else.

 

I have no way to explain Ashley.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

According to the codex, Major is equivalent to Navy Captain in the Systems Alliance. Kaidan outranks Shepard.

[Han Shot First]

Ashley probably should have returned as a Operations Chief, which is the Mass Effect equivalent of a Master Chief (Navy) or Sergeant Major (Marines). Or alteratively, she could have returned as either a Warrant Officer or a 2nd Lieutenant by virtue of a battlefield commission.

 

The massive jump to Lt. Commander was something straight out of Star Wars, in the same league as Han Solo going from smuggler to general or Luke Skywalker going from newly recruited starfighter pilot to Commander. 

 

Vega probably should have been an enlisted man as well. His personality would have jived more with being a Corporal, particularly as he didn't strike me as being an educated man. Having him be an officer was a bit of a stretch I thought. Also Vega as an enlisted man would have addressed the lack of named enlisted characters on the Normandy. 

[eyezonlyii]

Ashley probably should have returned as a Operations Chief, which is the Mass Effect equivalent of a Master Chief (Navy) or Sergeant Major (Marines). Or alteratively, she could have returned as either a Warrant Officer or a 2nd Lieutenant by virtue of a battlefield commission.

 

The massive jump to Lt. Commander was something straight out of Star Wars, in the same league as Han Solo going from smuggler to general or Luke Skywalker going from newly recruited starfighter pilot to Commander. 

 

Vega probably should have been an enlisted man as well. His personality would have jived more with being a Corporal, particularly as he didn't strike me as being an educated man. Having him be an officer was a bit of a stretch I thought. Also Vega as an enlisted man would have addressed the lack of named enlisted characters on the Normandy. 

But if Vega was enlisted, he and Cortez couldn't have been BFF4L! 

[Han Shot First]

According to the codex, Major is equivalent to Navy Captain in the Systems Alliance. Kaidan outranks Shepard.

 

You're right. I thought it was equivalent to Staff Commander. In that case Kaidan outranks Shepard even if Shepard were promoted.

 

The reason no doubt is just the devs borking the military details, but I suppose for head canon you can chalk it up to Kaidan's promotion being linked to soley to his biotic status. In the real world militaries chaplains or doctor's can sometimes outrank the commanding officers of units they are attached to, but they don't command those units. Their roles are rather specialized and they don't possess the requirements to command the units in question. Perhaps a similar thing is going on with Kaidan? Perhaps his training and experience is solely in the biotic field and he has no experience or capabilities that would make him eligible to command a space craft. Maybe he doesn't know a thing about stellar navigation for example, or space warfare, or how the ship's comm or engines function, or a myriad of other things that would probably be necessary for someone in Shepard's position.

[KaiserShep]

According to the codex, Major is equivalent to Navy Captain in the Systems Alliance. Kaidan outranks Shepard.

 

Ah, but he doesn't outrank Predator.

[Invisible Man]

vega was given a field promotion to lt. after the battle he had with the collectors, or that's what I recall at least. so vega as an officer isn't that strange to me.

[TheOneTrueBioticGod]

 

The massive jump to Lt. Commander was something straight out of Star Wars, in the same league as Han Solo going from smuggler to general or Luke Skywalker going from newly recruited starfighter pilot to Commander. 

 

Well, in Luke's case, he was the leader and presumably commanding officer of Rogue Squadron. As for Han... I got nothing. 

[Han Shot First]

But if Vega was enlisted, he and Cortez couldn't have been BFF4L! 

 

Officers and enlisted can be friends.

 

While fraternization is frowned upon it can and does happen. Also presumably they would have been in different units, considering Vega was a grunt and Cortez was a fighter pilot. In practice fraternization generally only becomes an issue when it occurs between officers and enlisted in the same unit. While I was in the Marines (and a Corporal) I dated Navy Lieutenant. She was a dentist however and not in my unit, so no one cared.

[eyezonlyii]

You're right. I thought it was equivalent to Staff Commander. In that case Kaidan outranks Shepard even if Shepard were promoted.

 

The reason no doubt is just the devs borking the military details, but I suppose for head canon you can chalk it up to Kaidan's promotion being linked to soley to his biotic status. In the real world militaries chaplains or doctor's can sometimes outrank the commanding officers of units they are attached to, but they don't command those units. Their roles are rather specialized and they don't possess the requirements to command the units in question. Perhaps a similar thing is going on with Kaidan? Perhaps his training and experience is solely in the biotic field and he has no experience or capabilities that would make him eligible to command a space craft. Maybe he doesn't know a thing about stellar navigation for example, or space warfare, or how the ship's comm or engines function, or a myriad of other things that would probably be necessary for someone in Shepard's position.

Kaidan actually seems to have a lot of expertise. It's downplayed, but he could very well be a Marty Stu. First, he's biotic, and no slouch at that. Then he has field mdic experience, and actually in one scene in ME is up in the cockpit with Joker (seemingly I will admit) helping with navigation or somesuch in the second chair.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

You're right. I thought it was equivalent to Staff Commander. In that case Kaidan outranks Shepard even if Shepard were promoted.

 

The reason no doubt is just the devs borking the military details, but I suppose for head canon you can chalk it up to Kaidan's promotion being linked to soley to his biotic status. In the real world militaries chaplains or doctor's can sometimes outrank the commanding officers of units they are attached to, but they don't command those units. Their roles are rather specialized and they don't possess the requirements to command the units in question. Perhaps a similar thing is going on with Kaidan? Perhaps his training and experience is solely in the biotic field and he has no experience or capabilities that would make him eligible to command a space craft. Maybe he doesn't know a thing about stellar navigation for example, or space warfare, or how the ship's comm or engines function, or a myriad of other things that would probably be necessary for someone in Shepard's position.

However Alenko was a co-pilot on the SR-1.

[Invisible Man]

Predator?
 
*snipped pic*

I figured he was referring to the pistol.

[KaiserShep]

The bane of my cut scenes is the bane of every NPC's existence.

[CrutchCricket]

I figured he was referring to the pistol.

 

I know. Just the way it was typed...

 

Still imagining Kaidan Vs Predator though. It's only three seconds and it ends about how you'd expect.

[Invisible Man]

I know. Just the way it was typed...
 
Still imagining Kaidan Vs Predator though. It's only three seconds and it ends about how you'd expect.

fair point, it's just hard to tell when people are joking on here at times.

[Han Shot First]

However Alenko was a co-pilot on the SR-1.

 

That doesn't necessarily mean he has all the qualifications for command though. A helmsman on a navy warship for example doesn't necessarily have the capabilities to command one.

[KaiserShep]

I know. Just the way it was typed...

 

Still imagining Kaidan Vs Predator though. It's only three seconds and it ends about how you'd expect.

Kaidan would beat the Predator, I think. He's already experienced in killing cloaking enemies, and with biotics, tech abilities and so forth, so he has the upper hand. That is, he does until the Predator rage quits and activates his suicide gauntlet of doom, does an evil laugh and does a Virmire Redux.

[Daemul]

The VS are basically NPC versions of Maleshep and Femshep, which is why they're ranked so high and made Spectres. I remember reading somewhere that it was originally planned that if your Shepard died on the suicide mission then you would play as the VS in ME3. That would have been very interesting.

[KaiserShep]

I'm not sure how well that would have worked out, though I admit I would have made a throwaway Shepard just for that to happen.

[SporkFu]

Play ME3 as Ashley/Kaidan? Would create different relationship dynamics with the crew and NPCs. Ashley and Wrex's first meeting could be interesting if you had her ready to shoot him on Virmire. Nobody from ME2 would have any connection, but I guess if Shep has to die for this to happen there's nobody left from ME2 anyway. Same LI possibilities?

 

Yeah, I could go for that.