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[sH0tgUn jUliA]

That's not necessarily difficult or spectacular of a result to get, and it really doesn't demonstrate skill in how she escaped or what she did. I saw her running straight away from Geth drones, getting shot. She wasn't demonstrating any kind of skill or talent to me. 

 

And yes, she did endanger the mission. She activated the beacon, which caused it to be destroyed. For whatever reason, it's implied that only a suitably strong-willed person would be able to survive. Had she been stuck, there's no guarantee she'd survive or be in control of her mental faculties. That would screw the galaxy very quickly. 

 

Ashley did not activate the beacon. Kaidan did.

[eyezonlyii]

Ashley did not activate the beacon. Kaidan did.

That along with his emotional outburst and overconsumption of regulation hair gel obviously mean he is unfit to serve on the Normandy.

TO THE AIRLOCK WITH THEE!

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Let's stop beating around the bush.

 

Claiming that someone is 'stupid' or doing anything wrong at all by walking within several meters of an artifact is just laughably ridiculous.

 

Since said person walking in front of it caused it to go off, then yes, it was indeed stupid. 

[Bob from Accounting]

Wow. What flawless logic.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Wow. What flawless logic.

 

So if someone did go in front of said beacon and activated it causing it to blow (while showing a distinct lack of caution with the beacon), wouldn't the lack of caution equate to stupidity?

 

You don't have to answer. It is.

[Farangbaa]

Since said person walking in front of it caused it to go off, then yes, it was indeed stupid. 

 

Seriously?

 

Oh man.

[Iakus]

So if someone did go in front of said beacon and activated it causing it to blow (while showing a distinct lack of caution with the beacon), wouldn't the lack of caution equate to stupidity?

 

You don't have to answer. It is.

 

So if Shepard walked in front of the beacon, not knowing that it's triggered by proximity, and causes said beacon to explode, then Shepard would be incompetent, endangered the mission, and deserve the airlock treatment?

[MassivelyEffective0730]

So if Shepard walked in front of the beacon, not knowing that it's triggered by proximity, and causes said beacon to explode, then Shepard would be incompetent, endangered the mission, and deserve the airlock treatment?

 

Yep. 

 

And he didn't. He's competent in this instance, and didn't endanger the mission.

[KaiserShep]

AlexBrennan is right on the point about Saren. Accidentally activating the beacon actually saved the galaxy.

[Farangbaa]

Yep. 

 

And he didn't. He's competent in this instance, and didn't endanger the mission.

 

Are you for real?!

 

You're pretty much claiming someone would be stupid if he/she got shot by a sniper a mile away. because.. you know, he/she is dead.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

AlexBrennan is right on the point about Saren. Accidentally activating the beacon actually saved the galaxy.

 

And it took recklessness from a squadmate to do it. Yeah, the squadmate in question accidentally saved the galaxy through idiocy.

 

That said, I'd like to not foster said idiocy by saying that accidents on a mission are ok. By sheer chance, the positive consequences of the beacon outweighed the damage.

[Iakus]

Yep. 

 

And he didn't. He's competent in this instance, and didn't endanger the mission.

 

Okay, how does a competent person know how close to get to an alien artifact?  Was there a bright red line that I missed?

 

I mean, I know that EC shows us several characters have latent Force powers and "just know" stuff.  Maybe Ash and Kaidan's abilities haven't developed that far yet in ME1...? 

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Are you for real?!

 

You're pretty much claiming someone would be stupid if he/she got shot by a sniper a mile away. because.. you know, he/she is dead.

 

If he was being stupid about, yeah. I've seen guys take fire from a mile away, and I've seen the results of guys who were sniped from at least 3000 yards. They weren't exactly acting with discretion.

 

It's hard to see a person a mile away, even with an optical gunsight or scope. You have to really be standing out and being loud to get someone to notice you. So yeah, essentially, if you got shot from a mile away by a sharpshooter with a rifle, yeah had to have been acting pretty stupid.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Yep. 

 

And he didn't. He's competent in this instance, and didn't endanger the mission.

 

And the crew that would have picked up the beacon for transport would have activated it, they would have been stupid, too?

[Iakus]

And it took recklessness from a squadmate to do it. Yeah, the squadmate in question accidentally saved the galaxy through idiocy.

 

That said, I'd like to not foster said idiocy by saying that accidents on a mission are ok. By sheer chance, the positive consequences of the beacon outweighed the damage.

 

Accidents on a mission are just that.  Accidents.

 

It wasn't idiocy.  No amount of training could have forseen this.  There was literally no way to know what the beacon would do or what could have activated it.  

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Okay, how does a competent person know how close to get to an alien artifact?  Was there a bright red line that I missed?

 

I mean, I know that EC shows us several characters have latent Force powers and "just know" stuff.  Maybe Ash and Kaidan's abilities haven't developed that far yet in ME1...? 

 

Simply put, you don't get close to it period. Don't **** with it, don't screw with it. Use caution, and use common sense.

[Iakus]

And the crew that would have picked up the beacon for transport would have activated it, they would have been stupid, too?

 

Heh, that's right, they were there to pick up the beacon!

 

Odds are, Ash and/or Kaidan would have activated it anyway 

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Simply put, you don't get close to it period. Don't **** with it, don't screw with it. Use caution, and use common sense.

 

May I ask how they would have gotten it onto the Normandy without getting near it? Oh. That.

[Iakus]

Simply put, you don't get close to it period. Don't **** with it, don't screw with it. Use caution, and use common sense.

 

 

How close is close?  Five feet?  Ten?  Twenty?  

 

They weren't screwing with it.  They weren't touching it, scanning it, or anything like that.  Ash appeared to be standing at least ten feet away from the beacon when it went off, and was dragged closer to it (literally, dragged) as it activated.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Accidents on a mission are just that.  Accidents.

 

It wasn't idiocy.  No amount of training could have forseen this.  There was literally no way to know what the beacon would do or what could have activated it.  

 

And I don't know about you. You're a civilian. But for me, accidents on missions are unacceptable. There's a fine line between things beyond anyone's control, and things that happen because someone was being stupid. And I am referring to this case as an accident that could have been avoided. Simply put, the VS let their curiosity get the better of them. That's exactly the point: You have no ****** clue what this thing is or what it's going to do. So why get close to it? Why **** with it? Why screw with it? Don't do anything but guard it until it can be properly secured and transported. Every bit of their training should have told them not to screw with something they don't know anything about. It's a black box. In the military, black boxes are treated with the utmost caution. If it doesn't look right or seem right, it's not right. 

 

It was absolute idiocy.

[KaiserShep]

May I ask how they would have gotten it onto the Normandy without getting near it? Oh. That.

Space forklift.

[Farangbaa]

If he was being stupid about, yeah. I've seen guys take fire from a mile away, and I've seen the results of guys who were sniped from at least 3000 yards. They weren't exactly acting with discretion.

 

It's hard to see a person a mile away, even with an optical gunsight or scope. You have to really be standing out and being loud to get someone to notice you. So yeah, essentially, if you got shot from a mile away by a sharpshooter with a rifle, yeah had to have been acting pretty stupid.

 

You're talking about combat situations. I am not.

 

Just a random ass sniper and a random dude. You're pretty much stating that random dude is stupid for getting shot.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

May I ask how they would have gotten it onto the Normandy without getting near it? Oh. That.

 

I suppose you can blame Saren for activating it. Ashley says something about it not glowing before, and then gets close to it. In that case, even though the accident turned out to be of benefit to the galaxy, I'd still have issued a report about it and waited for proper experts who know more about this stuff than I or my crew to properly analyze and study it.

[Iakus]

And I don't know about you. You're a civilian. But for me, accidents on missions are unacceptable. There's a fine line between things beyond anyone's control, and things that happen because someone was being stupid. And I am referring to this case as an accident that could have been avoided. Simply put, the VS let their curiosity get the better of them. That's exactly the point: You have no ****** clue what this thing is or what it's going to do. So why get close to it? Why **** with it? Why screw with it? Don't do anything but guard it until it can be properly secured and transported. Every bit of their training should have told them not to screw with something they don't know anything about. It's a black box. In the military, black boxes are treated with the utmost caution. If it doesn't look right or seem right, it's not right. 

 

It was absolute idiocy.

 

Again what did Ash (or Kaidan) do that was idiotic?  What foreseeable action could have been avoided?

 

Standing a good ten feet away or more.  Doing nothing but looking at the beacon.  They weren't screwing with the beacon.  At all.

 

Or is looking too hard at it an actionable offense?

[MassivelyEffective0730]

You're talking about combat situations. I am not.

 

Just a random ass sniper and a random dude. You're pretty much stating that random dude is stupid for getting shot.

 

You never stipulated that in your point. That said, how exactly does your point translate to the beacon? I'm having some trouble seeing it.

 

And my point holds true. The guy's not random if the sniper is targeting him. If the sniper is looking for targets on a battlefield, I'd still say the guy was an idiot for not assuming that a sniper was present (which is a must on the battlefield). If the sniper randomly shoots his gun into the air and the drifting bullet comes down and hits a random guy, that's different. That is random chance. And that's not what's happening here. You're going to have to explain the correlation of your metaphor to the beacon.