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[LightningPoodle]

I'm not sure who is being referred to by 'you' there.

 

You're playing a denial argument though. You have a reason that excuses the scene, so anyone who can't agree with that reason isn't seeing reason. Does that seem fair to you?

 

I assume BioWare aren't actually a bunch of sexist, conservative bigots but that doesn't mean they can't make mistakes. Similarly they could have perfectly valid reasons for doing what they did, and yet in the greater context it is problematic. They've said as much themselves.

 

I'm not denying anything. I can accept other opinions, other views, etc. But I'm done with this. I merely gave a view. You have wanted to take this further whereas I do not. Please excuse me, if you will.

[Dgyre]

If a scene bothers someone, it warrants examination.  

 

Yes, there are plenty of people out there who look for problems, and if you look hard enough you're going to see what you are looking for.  

 

But we should not, and cannot, make that assumption without examination.  Only through analysis and examination can we learn and strive to create content that is, as it was said earlier, not culturally harmful or perpetrating prejudice

 

We shouldn't assume the writers or the scene is bad either.  The point is a question is raised, and therefore should be explored and examined, not denied because of how it might 'seem'.  

[Dgyre]

She's wearing a warden rogue armor. *shudders*.

Hate it on Sera.

 

 

thats rogue armor? and yeah I wouldn't think sera would wear warden armor lol....

 

seems like Sera would find metal armor to confining, she'd stick to cloth or leather right?  you guys know her better than me, what do you think?

[Serza]

I have question. If I remember correctly Celene was said to be gay, right?

 

So now I've opened for the first time those Halla doors in Celene's quarters, where there was that naked soldier tied to the bed, basically saying that she seduced him into telling her what he knew about Gaspard.

 

She's supposed to be lesbian, right? And Bioware writers put her in sexual situation with a man?

 

Yes, she's lesbian. No, she may have seduced him without the intention of doing the deed with him.

Just got him going for a bit of BDSM, and then... Left him hanging, so to speak.

 

Corsairs are cool, but I favour the look of a plane without the big air vent at the front around the propeller. It's a purely aesthetic thing on my part. A Spit or a Mustang just looks sleeker to my eyes. I like the shape of the folding wings on a Corsair, though.

 

Typhoooooooooooooooooon! Mind the wind!

 

I've always been partial to P-38s

 

 

"The Fork-Tailed Devil" - up to the point the Germans figured out how to beat it.

[Basement Cat]

thats rogue armor? and yeah I wouldn't think sera would wear warden armor lol....

 

seems like Sera would find metal armor to confining, she'd stick to cloth or leather right?  you guys know her better than me, what do you think?

On the down side: metal armor is heavy and restricts movement. So yes, she would avoid it.

On the up side: metal armor is heavy, thus leading to strong, firm muscles.

[Dgyre]

On the down side: metal armor is heavy and restricts movement. So yes, she would avoid it.

On the up side: metal armor is heavy, thus leading to strong, firm muscles.

 

you can get those without metal though!!

 

you just need wood logs, some rope, a horse collar, a snowy mountaintop, and russian agents watching you 24/7..

 

or at least that what Rocky IV taught me anyways

[Serza]

On the down side: metal armor is heavy and restricts movement. So yes, she would avoid it.

On the up side: metal armor is heavy, thus leading to strong, firm muscles.

 

Also, firm plate.

[Fiery Phoenix]

I finally got a nice screenshot of the armor I made with lazurite trim. I like the blue.

 

(I think this is the only scene in which my Cadash is actually looking down on someone.)

 

Spoiler

 

Which armor is Sera wearing here? I can't remember even finding this.

 

Spoiler

The armor she's wearing, I believe, is called In Death, Sacrifice. It's a drop from the Crestwood dragon, IIRC.

 

One of the best rogue armors in the game. Used it for the majority of my Nightmare run.

[Basement Cat]

you can get those without metal though!!

 

you just need wood logs, some rope, a horse collar, a snowy mountaintop, and russian agents watching you 24/7..

 

or at least that what Rocky IV taught me anyways

True, but Metal armor is still more portable than that stuff. Wearing it gives a work out while getting things done. Multitasking and all that.

[Dgyre]

Warthogs are nice, but trust me, 

 

this is the plane most infantry men love

[Basement Cat]

All of Sera's cards together, courtesy of Delsin-R0we

 

Spoiler

[wintery]

The armor she's wearing, I believe, is called In Death, Sacrifice. It's a drop from the Crestwood dragon, IIRC.

 

Thanks, I was just trying to remember.

 

Dragon drops tend to not be better than what I already have. I figured there must be a reason I asked her to wear that instead of, you know, leather.

[raging_monkey]

Morning/afternoon

[YourFunnyUncle]

If a scene bothers someone, it warrants examination.  

 

Yes, there are plenty of people out there who look for problems, and if you look hard enough you're going to see what you are looking for.  

 

But we should not, and cannot, make that assumption without examination.  Only through analysis and examination can we learn and strive to create content that is, as it was said earlier, not culturally harmful or perpetrating prejudice

 

We shouldn't assume the writers or the scene is bad either.  The point is a question is raised, and therefore should be explored and examined, not denied because of how it might 'seem'.  

I think where BioWare start is from the perspective that gay, straight or bisexual people are just people. They are capable of good, evil, intelligence, stupidity and anything in between. I certainly come at their games from that world view, as I think does Poodle. This is why I never saw a problem with that scene. It never occurred to me to question her sexuality. I just thought that she was being manipulative, as she often is.

 

The problem is, I think, that as Miso points out there are those that don't think that way. Those who think that lesbians can be "cured" or that they are pretending somehow, and one might unintentionally create the wrong impression with such people. I'm not attuned to that way of seeing things so I welcome the insight. It's not an easy balance to strike. That's for sure.

[LightningPoodle]

Warthogs are nice, but trust me, 

 

-snip-

 

this is the plane most infantry men love

 

Now that arouses me. I suddenly feel all... powerful. 

 

Before anyone turns to disgust, I'll have you know arouse does not necessarily mean what you think it means and I am not using it in that sense.

[wintery]

All of Sera's cards together, courtesy of Delsin-R0we

 

For the first time it occurs to me that Sera's lying upside down on the throne in the main hall, a room which is never empty. So she basically walks in there while people are milling about, gets up on the throne and waits for me to notice. Silence falls over the room as everybody looks to the throne.

 

I smile. "Have you met my girlfriend?" I ask the ambassador.

[Serza]

 

My favorite military plane of all time 

 

The Warthog. It came as a replacement of the good old, propeller-driven AD-1 Skyraider. That plane served long into the jet era, just because there was nothing that could ever replace it. Until the A-10 came.

 

To defend the AD-1, it's four 20mm cannons and comparable amount of ordnance mount was more than enough for close air support in Vietnam.

Plus, it had a relatively slow speed for it's time, allowing it to engage more effectively.

 

Of course, then the A-10 with it's monstrous GAU-8/A Avenger came, being vastly superior than the Skyraider.

 

Warthogs are nice, but trust me, 

 

this is the plane most infantry men love

 

The Angel of Death... Did you know that the first A modification to the C platform was the AC-47?

 

Yes. The C-47 Skytrain was modified with three M134 Minigun weapons in order to create the first transport-turned-gunship ever.

[SardaukarElite]

The armor she's wearing, I believe, is called In Death, Sacrifice.

 

Is it just me or is that a rather poor name for protective gear?

 

 

For the first time it occurs to me that Sera's lying upside down on the throne in the main hall, a room which is never empty. So she basically walks in there while people are milling about, gets up on the throne and waits for me to notice.

 

To be fair, she probably just does that and waits for everyone to notice.

[LightningPoodle]

The Warthog. It came as a replacement of the good old, propeller-driven AD-1 Skyraider. That plane served long into the jet era, just because there was nothing that could ever replace it. Until the A-10 came.

 

To defend the AD-1, it's four 20mm cannons and comparable amount of ordnance mount was more than enough for close air support in Vietnam.

Plus, it had a relatively slow speed for it's time, allowing it to engage more effectively.

 

Of course, then the A-10 with it's monstrous GAU-8/A Avenger came, being vastly superior than the Skyraider.

 

 

The Angel of Death... Did you know that the first A modification to the C platform was the AC-47?

 

Yes. The C-47 Skytrain was modified with three M134 Minigun weapons in order to create the first transport-turned-gunship ever.

 

You know a lot about military stuff. I'm learning a fair bit. 

[introverted_assassin]

lordt. Poodle...lordt. you been doing too much in this thread the last few days man. Moreso than usual. From my view, you're going in the corner for awhile. lordt.

[YourFunnyUncle]

It comes down to this. No matter how good  your intentions are, these days it's impossible not to offend someone. And it's also true that a great number of people look for something to be offended by simply so they can throw a fit about it. 

I'd certainly rather offend bigots than their victims, though.

[LightningPoodle]

lordt. Poodle...lordt. you been doing too much in this thread the last few days man. Moreso than usual. From my view, you're going in the corner for awhile. lordt.

 

lordt?

[Sporothrix]

I don't think there is any one focus for stereotypes.  I think the media treats lesbian relationships seriously.  Look at the show on ABC FAMILY of all channels, the Fosters, with a married lesbian couple adopting and raising children and shown as good parents and role models.

 

It's actually my favorite topic and I have to disagree here. For every positive portrayal there is negative one. The usual way to create some drama in lesbian relationship is to make one of the women involved sleep with a man. Sometimes the writers have as much "respect" to not make the gay one do so (Last Tango in Halifax - where after her bi girlfriend cheated on with a man to get pregnant year ago recently the lesbian partner has been killed off shortly after them having a wedding), but oftentimes, the lesbian just suddenly finds herself craving sex with a man (last year in Waterloo Road, where lesbian was chased by a man who wanted to turn her, and then right after he opened emotionally himself to her they had passionate sex, or also from last year, EastEnders, where one lesbian slept with a man while being drunk, and her also lesbian partner did some non-showed "stuff" with a man to get pregnant few months later, or In the Club, where lesbian too had sex with a man to get pregnant).

 

Also just from last year in regard to non-commited lesbians, Dracula where lesbian slept with a man and it looked like she had the best time of her life (the creator himself admitted it enouraged homophobic myths and said that he and the writers intended for her to look traumatized, but during execution of episode something went wrong), Faking It although this one deserves a bit more explanation for another time, or Hell on Wheels, although in this case the character was never labelled which has been quickly used as defense.

There's also movie with Al Pacino, The Humbling, hitting theaters this year and it's story of a lesbian basically being turned into wifey of much older man.

 

Even the work that is generally considered positive for representation often plays with those tropes. In Pretty Little Liars, out lesbian character suddenly made out with a man and was "confused", there were provided two opposite explanations by different characters - one that she did it because he reminded her her dead girlfriend, another, because "sexuality is fluid". It seems it was pushed by producer (who's gay man BTW), because he was talking in interviews before the season started that she will fall for this "sweet, sexy guy".

Or another, Lost Girl, where they invented some crazy fantasy scenario just to make the lesbian character be showed having sex with a man without it actually happening. The showrunner even admitted that they did so because some male fans wanted to see it, and apparently thought they were so tactful and respectful because they didn't do it "for real".