Sera "The Artful Dodger" discussion thread - V2 (now with more V1)
#30076
Posté 08 novembre 2014 - 09:26
BUT I mean, I'll stop fussing about it, because I'm not interested in telling people how to feel or assuming inherent prejudice. Just like...wanting that to be unpacked, and this is probably not the best place for it.
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#30077
Posté 08 novembre 2014 - 09:28
What possible reason could someone have to not want to romance a bisexual character that isn't biphobic? Serious question!
Edit: obviously given DA's history of not having exclusively gay characters , I get why someone would prefer to have a gay LI....but that's different...
I don't think it has to be biphobic, but objectively, I think it will always be baseless. That is, based on introduced ideas of gender and sexuality, rather than simple, natural attraction. That is to say, choosing to not be with someone you're attracted to because they're attracted to both genders is a choice, of sorts, and not natural. More about avoiding synonymy than deliberate ill-will.
I may be wrong, but I doubt a bisexual would ever have a problem being with another bisexual.
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#30078
Posté 08 novembre 2014 - 09:32
we are family its what we do.. we may be all around the world but we are family.Shrug, okay, I don't get it. I mean I'm not saying that I would ever tell someone not to have their own personal preferences, but I have a hard time imagining an explanation for it that doesn't boil down to something biphobic since the relationship itself would be functionally no different than one with a straight person...and if you're turned off by the idea that someone would find the same sex attractive, idk about that either.
BUT I mean, I'll stop fussing about it, because I'm not interested in telling people how to feel or assuming inherent prejudice. Just like...wanting that to be unpacked, and this is probably not the best place for it.
Took my 7 years to deal with my "preferences" and i get what you mean sometimes you need to air some things out... like wine
* the qoutations are not snark just dont know what to call my preferences lol*
- veeia aime ceci
#30079
Posté 08 novembre 2014 - 09:36
Shrug, okay, I don't get it. I mean I'm not saying that I would ever tell someone not to have their own personal preferences, but I have a hard time imagining an explanation for it that doesn't boil down to something biphobic since the relationship itself would be functionally no different than one with a straight person...and if you're turned off by the idea that someone would find the same sex attractive, idk about that either.
BUT I mean, I'll stop fussing about it, because I'm not interested in telling people how to feel or assuming inherent prejudice. Just like...wanting that to be unpacked, and this is probably not the best place for it.
From personal experience, it seems like some people wouldn't date a bi person cos they believe the stereotype that we can't be faithful & will sleep with anyone who asks, not surprising when its shown so much in the media :|
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#30081
Posté 08 novembre 2014 - 09:38
kinda wanna cry at the level of stereotyping in the mediaFrom personal experience, it seems like some people wouldn't date a bi person cos they believe the stereotype that we can't be faithful & will sleep with anyone who asks, not surprising when its shown so much in the media :|
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#30082
Posté 08 novembre 2014 - 09:42
The only even vaguely plausible thing I can think of is someone thinking "they could possibly fancy anyone so that doubles the chance of them finding someone to cheat on me with" which is... well... pretty damn disrespectful and untrusting.
#30083
Posté 08 novembre 2014 - 09:43
From personal experience, it seems like some people wouldn't date a bi person cos they believe the stereotype that we can't be faithful & will sleep with anyone who asks, not surprising when its shown so much in the media :|
I've had personal experience with that too ![]()
#30084
Posté 08 novembre 2014 - 09:46
I'm not really digging the attitude of condemning heterosexuals that's going on right now... Really, not wanting to be with someone who's bisexual isn't necessarily wrong, hate, a crime, etc., people. It doesn't matter what sexual preferences we have, and even though most of us seem to be pretty open, that doesn't mean we should criticize those who differ.
#30085
Posté 08 novembre 2014 - 09:47
kinda wanna cry at the level of stereotyping in the media
It really does suck, the gay guy is always sassy & feminine, lesbians always either have tragic relationships or end up getting together with men & enjoying it while bisexuals suffer from extreme promiscuity & if they enter a serious relationship its generally with a opposite sex partner, gets tiresome after awhile
#30086
Posté 08 novembre 2014 - 09:47
I'm straight. I can't think of a possible reason not to date a bisexual woman. It's not that I want to be critical, I just don't get it.
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#30087
Posté 08 novembre 2014 - 09:48
Spoiler
I keep thinking she's in pijamas. ![]()
#30088
Posté 08 novembre 2014 - 09:48
I'm straight. I can't think of a possible reason not to date a bisexual woman.
Attraction doesn't really need a reason.
- Serza aime ceci
#30089
Posté 08 novembre 2014 - 09:48
I'm straight. I can't think of a possible reason not to date a bisexual woman.
Being married for one. ![]()
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#30090
Posté 08 novembre 2014 - 09:49
I mean, I'm not saying that people who think those things are intentionally hating bisexuals, just that those reasons have roots in harmful ideas about bisexuality....which makes them gross to me, and if a friend said it, I would probably want to talk about it and share that perspective, not in the hopes of "making them become attracted to bisexuals", but to try to give them some food for thought. Examining your biases is always a good thing, even if you come to the exact same conclusion after you do.
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#30091
Posté 08 novembre 2014 - 09:50
Attraction doesn't really need a reason.
Bisexuals don't wear warning signs, so attraction has nothing to do with it. You'd be interested in someone, start dating, then you find out the person is bisexual and suddenly you don't like them anymore?
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#30092
Posté 08 novembre 2014 - 09:51
Same. As well as "I can't trust that you won't decide you're actually straight"...or whatever. Lot of misconceptions about it from both heterosexual and gay people.
I mean, I'm not saying that people who think those things are intentionally hating bisexuals, just that those reasons have roots in harmful ideas about bisexuality....which makes them gross to me, and if a friend said it, I would probably want to talk about it and share that perspective, not in the hopes of "making them become attracted to bisexuals", but to try to give them some food for thought. Examining your biases is always a good thing, even if you come to the exact same conclusion after you do.
I know there are some gay women who won't date bisexuals, don't like the idea of them being with men and such. I'm not touching this one myself.
#30093
Posté 08 novembre 2014 - 09:55
Being married for one.
Ha! Well in a hypothetical situation where I was single. I just don't see what about a bisexual woman would be to not find attractive. I'm trying to understand it and I just don't see it. Ah... It's fine. Live and let live. There are billions of us on the planet. We can all find someone (or more than one person if that's your thing) to love. Just as long as we're not bastards to each other about it.
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#30094
Posté 08 novembre 2014 - 09:58
I saw and heard this argument a lot of times, it's one of the main reason I think.The only even vaguely plausible thing I can think of is someone thinking "they could possibly fancy anyone so that doubles the chance of them finding someone to cheat on me with" which is... well... pretty damn disrespectful and untrusting.
I don't Judge them, though I don't see the problem. I wouldn't have a Problem in datig a bisexual woman. I can see Why she'd like women, I like them too
Technically, they're arguing about people who don't like to date bisexual. It Could apply to both heterosexuals and homosexuals.I'm not really digging the attitude of condemning heterosexuals that's going on right now... Really, not wanting to be with someone who's bisexual isn't necessarily wrong, hate, a crime, etc., people. It doesn't matter what sexual preferences we have, and even though most of us seem to be pretty open, that doesn't mean we should criticize those who differ.
#30095
Posté 08 novembre 2014 - 09:59
I know there are some gay women who won't date bisexuals, don't like the idea of them being with men and such. I'm not touching this one myself.
Yeah, and while I'll admit there are more complexities to a gay/bisexual dynamic than a straight/bisexual dynamic...that still bothers me.
Like for example, do they exclude lesbians who were with men before they realized they were gay? What about a bisexual who has never been with a man? When you break it down, it seems to fall apart....generalizing bisexuality in order to justify insecurities or anxieties, instead of examining what those might mean. Unless someone straight up says that it's about their own issues and not an inherent problem with bisexuals, I would respect that a lot more!
I would never tell a gay woman "you most be open to bisexuals"! But I would like to hear the reasoning why and maybe talk about it some more especially because as I said, that's more complicated.
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#30096
Posté 08 novembre 2014 - 10:01
agreed it doesnt matter who your with its how you feel at that moment. Life is short as it is find someone ,man,woman,intersex, etc who makes you happy and shows you respect and trustHa! Well in a hypothetical situation where I was single. I just don't see what about a bisexual woman would be to not find attractive. I'm trying to understand it and I just don't see it. Ah... It's fine. Live and let live. There are billions of us on the planet. We can all find someone (or more than one person if that's your thing) to love. Just as long as we're not bastards to each other about it.
Man im too much a romantic
#30098
Posté 08 novembre 2014 - 10:07
Yeah, and while I'll admit there are more complexities to a gay/bisexual dynamic than a straight/bisexual dynamic...that still bothers me.
Like for example, do they exclude lesbians who were with men before they realized they were gay? What about a bisexual who has never been with a man? When you break it down, it seems to fall apart....generalizing bisexuality in order to justify insecurities or anxieties, instead of examining what those might mean. Unless someone straight up says that it's about their own issues and not an inherent problem with bisexuals, I would respect that a lot more!
I would never tell a gay woman "you most be open to bisexuals"! But I would like to hear the reasoning why and maybe talk about it some more especially because as I said, that's more complicated.
I think alot of it comes down to insecurities and irrational fear of being duped somehow, just waiting for them to leave me for a man and such. Personally speaking I've had bad experiences with bisexual women which have left me a little wary to date another, not gonna write them off completely tho. That would be unfair but once bitten and all that, I guess I was just unlucky I suppose. :S
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#30099
Posté 08 novembre 2014 - 10:07
#30100
Posté 08 novembre 2014 - 10:09
my girlfriend is bi though she prefers men, but it doesn't bother me at all





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