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I expect a similar reaction whenever the orientations for Cassandra, Vivienne, Cullen, and the Grey Warden are confirmed.

 

Some people get really invested in their head canon, and get angry when it doesn't turn out the way they imagined. And all of the above have fans of both genders and various sexual orientations that are interested in those characters being their Inquisitor's LI. Its not going to work out for all of them.


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I expect a similar reaction whenever the orientations for Cassandra, Vivienne, Cullen, and the Grey Warden are confirmed.

 

Some people get really invested in their head canon, and get angry when it doesn't turn out the way they imagined. And all of the above have fans of both genders and various sexual orientations that are interested in those characters being their Inquisitor's LI. Its not going to work out for all of them.

Wait a second, why would the orientations of Cass, Viv, Cullen, and Blackwall specifically spark reactions? Aren't we still in the dark about the orientation of other companions as well?



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Wait a second, why would the orientations of Cass, Viv, Cullen, and Blackwall specifically spark reactions? Aren't we still in the dark about the orientation of other companions as well?

Because those are the most likely romance options.

 

As much as i want Verric and Iron Bull to be available, there is not a chance in hell its happening.



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I expect a similar reaction whenever the orientations for Cassandra, Vivienne, Cullen, and the Grey Warden are confirmed.
 
Some people get really invested in their head canon, and get angry when it doesn't turn out the way they imagined. And all of the above have fans of both genders and various sexual orientations that are interested in those characters being their Inquisitor's LI. Its not going to work out for all of them.


We'll to be fair it's hardly as if orientation gating was a universally popular move in the first place. This is just the cuckoos coming home to rest from that Hobson's choice where there were going to un satisfied people regardless.

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Wait a second, why would the orientations of Cass, Viv, Cullen, and Blackwall specifically spark reactions? Aren't we still in the dark about the orientation of other companions as well?

 

Because regardless of what their orientation ends up being, there will be backlash from the people who feel left out. Even if they're bi.

 

Cullen might make the entire site crash.


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Because those are the most likely romance options.

 

As much as i want Verric and Iron Bull to be available, there is not a chance in hell its happening.

IB has a way better chance then Blackwall.



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IB has a way better chance then Blackwall.

What makes you say that?



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What makes you say that?

Because Patrick outright mentioned that IB enjoys sex, and considering we CAN be a qunari, if he enjoys sex there is no reason why he would not be a LI for at least a qunari.



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I expect a similar reaction whenever the orientations for Cassandra, Vivienne, Cullen, and the Grey Warden are confirmed.

 

Some people get really invested in their head canon, and get angry when it doesn't turn out the way they imagined. And all of the above have fans of both genders and various sexual orientations that are interested in those characters being their Inquisitor's LI. Its not going to work out for all of them.

 

But hey, tons of people were happy the day that all bisexual romances were announced for DA2.  I don't remember many complaints until later.

 

I'm trying not to go into DA:I with preconceived notions about Sera, so I'm not jumping up and down and declaring she's my waifu just because I'll have access to her romance with my preferred character.  I'm glad, I guess, that I'm not having any potential hopes dashed prematurely, but I'm also a little sad, because confirming Sera as s/s makes it more real that I may be later heartbroken over another character I won't be able to romance.  Not because I want to collect them all, but because I like people for their personalities.  So MEH.



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Wait a second, why would the orientations of Cass, Viv, Cullen, and Blackwall specifically spark reactions? Aren't we still in the dark about the orientation of other companions as well?

I'd be surprised if they're all straight, but considering Dragon Age's track record so far from my point of view, one of them, at least, has to be bisexual, and I'm betting it's Vivienne, and Blackwell at a push if I need to pick another.

 

Thing is, I'm not that excited to really clamour for an LI to interact most with, so I won't be too heartbroken one way or another. But I'm really all for broader choices than just heterosexual options.



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Because Patrick outright mentioned that IB enjoys sex, and considering we CAN be a qunari, if he enjoys sex there is no reason why he would not be a LI for at least a qunari.

I dont think that a throw away "funny" statement can really be taken as anything concrete.

 

And even then, potentially race restricted romance is a whole other bag of worms that i dont even want to deal with.



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Because those are the most likely romance options.

 

As much as i want Verric and Iron Bull to be available, there is not a chance in hell its happening.

They are? What about Solas or Dorian? I've seen people in the forums assuming they'd be the male romances options for weeks now. And the way people talk, Scribbles has already been announced as an LI. 

 

Also Iron Bull just became a far more likely romance option after the interview. If he'll get into bed with anything that won't break, it seems likely that he'll get into bed with your Inquisitor. Of course, he might only be a fling. 



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They are? What about Solas or Dorian? I've seen people in the forums assuming they'd be the male romances options for weeks now. And the way people talk, Scribbles has already been announced as an LI. 

 

 

Those three are also likely.



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Wait a second, why would the orientations of Cass, Viv, Cullen, and Blackwall specifically spark reactions? Aren't we still in the dark about the orientation of other companions as well?

 

The others don't seem to have as many fans clamoring for romance content. In the case of Cassandra and Cullen, they are also confirmed LIs who have had fans from previous games. Vivienne isn't confirmed but is very likely a LI, as there are only three female companions. Blackwall just has a lot of fans, both male and female, who are swooning over him for whatever reason. I have a hunch that he won't be a LI at all, but we'll see. It could be that he is a LI and Varric isn't.

 

In any case, there are going to be some disappointed fans whenever those announcements are made. And I expect some won't handle it well. In the case of Cassandra or Cullen, the forum might implode if they end up gated off for either gender.

 

On a side note, I might laugh if Bioware tries to intentionally subvert expectations.

 

For example I've seen a lot of people say that because Cassandra has a masculine haircut, a general Brienne of Tarth vibe, and isn't your typical girly-girl...that of course she must be gay or bisexual. Likewise I've seen people say that because Dorian looks a little flamboyant, of course he must be gay. Blackwall? Grizzled manly-man. Obviously straight.

 

It would be kind of funny if Cassandra and Dorian end up straight and Blackwall bi or gay.



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IB's a playa ? That's I was going to say that's new, but it's sort of Jacobish on second thoughts. Hope we get to swap stories like with Mathras in Bound by Flame.



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I expect a similar reaction whenever the orientations for Cassandra, Vivienne, Cullen, and the Grey Warden are confirmed.

 

Some people get really invested in their head canon, and get angry when it doesn't turn out the way they imagined. And all of the above have fans of both genders and various sexual orientations that are interested in those characters being their Inquisitor's LI. Its not going to work out for all of them.

 

They need to understand that it's just a video game.


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On a side note, I might laugh if Bioware tries to intentionally subvert expectations.

 

For example I've seen a lot of people say that because Cassandra has a masculine haircut, a general Brienne of Tarth vibe, and isn't your typical girly-girl...that of course she must be gay or bisexual. Likewise I've seen people say that because Dorian looks a little flamboyant, of course he must be gay. Blackwall? Grizzled manly-man. Obviously straight.

 

It would be kind of funny if Cassandra and Dorian end up straight and Blackwall bi or gay.

 

Eh, go look at the Romance Thread, a LOT of people are assuming that Cassandra is straight, partially because of Regalyan in her movie, partially because her comment about Male Hawke in DA2, and partially (probably) because of her role as a "main" female character.  I'm trying not to expect things, but I'd be shocked if they were wrong.

 

Trust me, it would be far more "funny" (funny meaning both shocking and transgressive/progressive) if Cassandra were a lesbian...there are very few "butch" lesbians in mainstream media, and when we see tough, strong women, ninety percent of the time, they're pronounced straight as soon as possible.  I love Brienne of Tarth, but I think her reception would have been a lot different amongst fans if she weren't being "shipped" with Jaime Lannister.



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Awh I was really expecting her to be bi. I feel bad for all those that feel like they're missing out and all but.. *clears throat*

"Que Sera, Sera

Whatever will be, will be

The future's not ours to see

Que Sera, Sera."

 

(Also that is now how I officially pronounce her name.)


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Awh I was really expecting her to be bi. I feel bad for all those that feel like they're missing out and all

May as well get used to it now.  We'll be seeing it probably another 3 times to account for two straight companions and the gay male companion.



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Where and when was it stated that Sera is a lesbian?   Was it something on Twitter?   Only I've read everything up to now on the main site and there is no mention of sexual orientation for any of the characters.   I must admit to being a tad disappointed if she is since she was the only female character who appealed to me.   I'm not just meaning looks here but character wise.   I just don't see my male Inquisitor seeing eye to eye with either Cassandra or Vivienne because his sentiments tend to be more in line with those of Sera.   As she looked great too, I was thinking that finally I would get the chance of a heterosexual romance for my male PC that I actually really believed in .  I didn't really go for Isabella or Merrill - again it wasn't looks that put me off - though I did try to pursue a romance with them but my heart wasn't in it.   My favourite male Hawke realised he was gay and went with Fenris after giving Isabella the cold shoulder when she turned up at my house expecting sex.     Then in Act 3 Merrill turned up seemingly thinking I was interested because of some random comment I made in Act 1 about her eyes.  I must really learn not to playfully flirt with people unless I really mean it.   So is Sera being restricted to ladies only official?



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  So is Sera being restricted to ladies only official?

Yeah. Its official.

 

Isn't it great how they got rid of "Player Sexual"? Now instead of everyone winning, only some people win!


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Yeah. Its official.

 

Isn't it great how they got rid of "Player Sexual"? Now instead of everyone winning, only some people win!

 

I'm glad they got rid of it, even if it means that a favorite character won't be a LI for my player character.

 

I'm not a fan of an approach where either the entire team is willing to shack up with a player character of either gender.


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I'm not a fan of an approach where either the entire team is willing to shack up with a player character of either gender.

Im not a fan of arbitrarily restricting romance options. They can say its "More realistic" all they want, bisexual people do, in fact, exist.

 

You are currently speaking to one. (Though i prefer women, hence my frustration at these turns of events)


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Yeah. Its official.
 
Isn't it great how they got rid of "Player Sexual"? Now instead of everyone winning, only some people win!


Yeah was gutted when the news of the death of da2 playersexuality was announced exactly for this reason.

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Yeah. Its official.

 

Isn't it great how they got rid of "Player Sexual"? Now instead of everyone winning, only some people win!

To be honest, yes, I think it's great that they got rid of player sexual. I don't like player sexual. I don't like the feeling that an NPCs sexual preference is based on the sex of my PC.

 

Rather than adapting the characters just to feed people's wishes, they defined outright of what sexual preference a companion hast and gave each companion enough personality to not be just wish fulfillment.

 

Considering that

  • there is never ever a way to make everybody happy (how many people bitched at Anders sexuality? How many were pissed that you couldn't romance Varric?)
  • there are more romance options than in the other games

I think they reached a pretty good compromise of clearly defining the characters and giving the players lots of options.

 

Would I have romanced Sera with a male Inquisitor? Probably.


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