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[Battlebloodmage]

Bisexuals are snow leopards?

I prefer to think of them as unicorns since most people believe they don't exist.

[Gervaise]

I don't have a problem with restrictions.   I was okay with DAO.   My first Warden was male and when I got to know Alistair I started wishing that I had played a female.  So next run through I did.    So that's fine.   I get it, Sera is off limits.   The only problem is that at present I don't find either of the other options particularly appealing.   So in a way it makes life easier for me because I couldn't really decide whether I wanted my first Inquisitor to be male or female but following the revelation about Sera, that is no longer a problem.   My first Inquisitor will be female because hopefully at least one of the male companions that I like will be straight or bisexual.   As for Sera, they can just be best friends.

[Battlebloodmage]

So if i catch a snow leopard do i have a snow leopard or a bi? This is quite revolutionary!

schrodinger's cat. You don't know unless you open the box. There are 2 universes exist that could contain either a snow leopard or a bi person.

[Magpies]

All fantasy universes are very closely based on our own world and our own human experiences. Even the dragons for which the series is named, are based on something from Earth. Dinosaur bones were the origin of dragon myths. Because of the fact that all fantasy universes closely mirror or own, its not unreasonable to also assume that heterosexual and homosexual people would exist in them as well, just as they do in the real world.

 

Now of course Bioware could have decided at one point that everyone in Thedas is bisexual and that would then be canon for their world, and no one could argue with all of the companion characters being bisexual or playersexual. But just as bisexual people wouldn't like hearing that 'bisexual people don't exisit in Thedas,' you shouldn't expect heterosexuals (or homosexuals) to be okay with people resembling themselves being written out of the universe either.

 

Also it is worth noting that we all want various realistic elements in the series, we just vary on what is necessary and what isn't. I'm sure no one would be happy for example if gravity didn't exist.

 

Ok, here's the deal. Wrapping fantasy elements in a somewhat realistic setting is a staple of storytelling and I'm not gonna disagree that it works. But in my opinion it's cool when it's about worldbuilding, not gameplay.

When it comes to worldbuilding in itself, sure, gives us fleshed out characters of different sexualities and genders, I welcome that completely, especially when it comes to the representation of minorities. But ultimately romanceable characters are part of gameplay and should offer equal opportunities to all players, the same way the classes and story options do.

Love interests are game content and shouldn't be restricted due to some arbitrary standard of realism because ultimately the qualifiers used to determine what is accessible by whom are incredibly exclusive rather than inclusive, especially to non-heterosexual people who most of the time don't even get near the amount of choice that heterosexual people do in RPGs.

 

I don't want the gameplay to be realistic, I want the gameplay to be fun. If it were realistic then combat would be awful and we'd all be taking pee pauses every 2 hours. Because that's realistic, too, right! Except that would suck. Ya know.

idk, you don't have to agree with me but that's my take on it.

[Mukora]

Bisexuals are snow leopards?

As a bisexual I can answer this:

 

Yes.

[Shark17676]

I'm glad they got rid of it, even if it means that a favorite character won't be a LI for my player character.

 

I'm not a fan of an approach where either the entire team is willing to shack up with a player character of either gender.

 

Because it was such a huge issue in Skyrim.  Oh, wait...everyone realized it was a video game, the "player sexuality" was simply a mechanic to be all-inclusive and keep everyone happy, and in the end it worked out just fine.

 

Furthermore, no one can ever convince me that less options is somehow better.  It doesn't make sense to me.

 

Besides, why do you care about who my Inquisitor is shacking up with in my game?

[Battlebloodmage]

Before people get too carry way with this line of removing choice. It's also noted that there was supposed to only be 4 options with all bis, so even if they change it up, the distribution would at least be the same with 6 LIs. It's not about limit but more about who you can romance. I'm sure one of the options were changed to make the characters from being bi to hetero/gay, but at the same time, another option was added to compensate for that. Sera was likely to be bi, but the scribe girl is likely to be added to compensate for whoever lost their option. 

[Former_Fiend]

Sure, bisexual people exist.

 

So do snow leopards. That doesn't mean every animal in the wild is a snow leopard.

 

See, what annoys me, and has always annoyed me about this argument is the idea of every romance option being bisexual means that everyone in the world is bisexual.

 

When I was asking for all bisexual LI's, I wasn't talking about the whole world, or even the whole party. I was was talking about six people out of twelve people(including advisers) out of the tens if not hundreds of millions of people that make up the world of Thedas.

[Genshie]

 

• there is never ever a way to make everybody happy (how many people bitched at Anders sexuality? How many were pissed that you couldn't romance Varric?)

I personally was in the Aveline camp. 

Hawke: Notice me senpai!!

Aveline: *whoosh* 

Hawke: *Friend-zoned*

[Mukora]

The thing about every character being playersexual, is that then their sexuality becomes irrelevant to their character.

 

Which may be good in some cases, but I like that, with each character being a set sexuality, they can take a deeper look at, and talk about, what that means to them. What is Sera's life like as a lesbian elf? What struggles has she faced? Were people disgusted by it in the alienage? Or accepting? Did she have trouble coming to terms with it growing up, or did she embrace it full-force?

 

Of course, they may not examine this, but the chance that they might is nice.

[wright1978]

Before people get too carry way with this line of removing choice. It's also noted that there was supposed to only be 4 options with all bis, so even if they change it up, the distribution would at least be the same with 6 LIs. It's not about limit but more about who you can romance. I'm sure one of the options were changed to make the characters from being bi to hetero/gay, but at the same time, another option was added to compensate for that. Sera was likely to be bi, but the scribe girl is likely to be added to compensate for whoever lost their option.

So gone from minimum of 2 companion li to one, with an npc. Hardly what I'd call progress.

[jlb524]

The thing about every character being playersexual, is that then their sexuality becomes irrelevant to their character.

 

Which may be good in some cases, but I like that, with each character being a set sexuality, they can take a deeper look at, and talk about, what that means to them. What is Sera's life like as a lesbian elf? What struggles has she faced? Were people disgusted by it in the alienage? Or accepting? Did she have trouble coming to terms with it growing up, or did she embrace it full-force?

 

Of course, they may not examine this, but the chance that they might is nice.

 

They said they were going to do something with it.

[Maria Caliban]

A BioWare dev shows off the love interests to an appreciative crowd at today's E3.

[Han Shot First]

Because it was such a huge issue in Skyrim.  Oh, wait...everyone realized it was a video game, the "player sexuality" was simply a mechanic to be all-inclusive and keep everyone happy, and in the end it worked out just fine.

 

 

Skyrim? Do romance options even serve a function in that game besides giving your toon a random pie or apple?

 

 

Furthermore, no one can ever convince me that less options is somehow better.  It doesn't make sense to me.

Besides, why do you care about who my Inquisitor is shacking up with in my game?

 

I don't care who your player character shacks up with in your game. I do care however that the characters in the game seem like real people, even if they exist in a fantasy universe. Part of that is not having the entire team vying for who gets to sleep with the player character or getting their sexuality issued to them like it was a piece of equipment. 

 

As for there being less options...sorry, but that isn't the case. If it is that important to romance a particular character you can create the gender character that they are interested in. In the Witcher 2 I couldn't complete the Roche and Iorveth paths simultaneously, and needed multiple playthroughs to see all aspects of the game. Is that a bad thing?

[Former_Fiend]

The thing about every character being playersexual, is that then their sexuality becomes irrelevant to their character.

 

Which may be good in some cases, but I like that, with each character being a set sexuality, they can take a deeper look at, and talk about, what that means to them. What is Sera's life like as a lesbian elf? What struggles has she faced? Were people disgusted by it in the alienage? Or accepting?

 

Of course, they may not examine this, but the chance that they might is nice.

 

Sexual orientation is irrelevant to a person's character. A person's character - their beliefs, their values, their principles, their inhibitions - all of that, is completely independent of what set of genitals they prefer. 

 

Now, there might be some nice bits about their backstory. I personally suggested Sera running away from an arranged marriage. But it isn't defining to the character; Sera is who she is. Playful, down to earth, a champion of the common folk. She'd be that person whether she was gay, or straight, or bi.

[mlgumm]

Didn't one of the writers say they were excited about writing a coming out story? Or did I imagine that? If it's true, then I doubt it's Sera. According to the devs she couldn't hide any of her emotions if she tried. Still, it's something that may be addressed, maybe with Dorian, as Magisters consider being homosexual wrong, or with Celene.

[Neon Rising Winter]

The thing about every character being playersexual, is that then their sexuality becomes irrelevant to their character.

 

Which may be good in some cases, but I like that, with each character being a set sexuality, they can take a deeper look at, and talk about, what that means to them. What is Sera's life like as a lesbian elf? What struggles has she faced? Were people disgusted by it in the alienage? Or accepting? Did she have trouble coming to terms with it growing up, or did she embrace it full-force?

 

Of course, they may not examine this, but the chance that they might is nice.

Please god, let them not re-embrace the 'my life as a homosexual, my trials and tribulations' routine. Even bloody soap operas are beginning to jettison that one.

[Former_Fiend]

Didn't one of the writers say they were excited about writing a coming out story? Or did I imagine that? If it's true, then I doubt it's Sera. According to the devs she couldn't hide any of her emotions if she tried. Still, it's something that may be addressed, maybe with Dorian, as Magisters consider being homosexual wrong, or with Celene.

 

Way I heard it was that the coming out story was something they wanted to do but couldn't for one reason or another, and may show up in a later game.

 

Don't quote me on that, I got it second hand.

[Maria Caliban]

The thing about every character being playersexual, is that then their sexuality becomes irrelevant to their character.

Isabela's sexuality was not irreverent to her character.

Which may be good in some cases, but I like that, with each character being a set sexuality, they can take a deeper look at, and talk about, what that means to them. What is Sera's life like as a lesbian elf? What struggles has she faced? Were people disgusted by it in the alienage? Or accepting? Did she have trouble coming to terms with it growing up, or did she embrace it full-force?

Please no. Please don't introduce a lesbian character to 'teach us' that being a lesbian means struggling and facing disgust.

[Hellion Rex]

Please no. Please don't introduce a lesbian character to 'teach us' that being a lesbian means struggling and facing disgust.

Agreed. I feel like we get that in the media already way too much.

[Han Shot First]

See, what annoys me, and has always annoyed me about this argument is the idea of every romance option being bisexual means that everyone in the world is bisexual.

 

When I was asking for all bisexual LI's, I wasn't talking about the whole world, or even the whole party. I was was talking about six people out of twelve people(including advisers) out of the tens if not hundreds of millions of people that make up the world of Thedas.

 

I was specifically referring to those who want the entire team to be bisexual. While that might offer the most potential LIs for any given playthrough, its not inclusive. It is no different than someone saying they want the entire group to be heterosexual, or homosexual.

[mlgumm]

Isabela wasn't playersexual, she was bisexual. I think there's a difference. It's like how Anders talked about Karl if you were a dude, but didn't if you were a chick. People felt like it was a cop-out. Why isn't he openly bisexual with fem!Hawkes, too? If he had talked about him either way, I think there would have been less backlash.

[Magpies]

The thing about every character being playersexual, is that then their sexuality becomes irrelevant to their character.

 

Which may be good in some cases, but I like that, with each character being a set sexuality, they can take a deeper look at, and talk about, what that means to them. What is Sera's life like as a lesbian elf? What struggles has she faced? Were people disgusted by it in the alienage? Or accepting? Did she have trouble coming to terms with it growing up, or did she embrace it full-force?

 

Of course, they may not examine this, but the chance that they might is nice.

 

 

idk, this is a nice sentiment but tbqh i'm so tired of stories about how my sexuality made my life a struggle and so on. i just want non-het characters where their sexuality isn't the biggest part of their personality, personally. i want non-het characters who just have a happy non-het romance instead of focusing on the ~struggle~ they went through, to show that you can be part of the lgbtq+ community and still be happy. that's certainly more uplifting for teens struggling with it.

[Alan Rickman]

But they should introduce a snow leopard character to teach us about all the prejudice and purrsecution they face.

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I'm sorry.

[wright1978]

I was specifically referring to those who want the entire team to be bisexual. While that might offer the most potential LIs for any given playthrough, its not inclusive. It is no different than someone saying they want the entire group to be heterosexual, or homosexual.

Don't agree at all it's completely inclusive in da2. There's no way outside the obviously bi Isabela to know the li's are even capable to be attracted to both sexes without doing multiple playthroughs. It's also akin to complaining that the li's the li doesn't have preferences for any other of the multiple variables race/class/appearance/religion etc.