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#35626
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Waiting for the post man  :huh:

 

I usually hate this because I got a parcel addressed to 'Commander Shepard' one time (from my uncle, we thought it would be funny) and now every time he brings a parcel to the house for me i can hear him shouting 'ANOTHER ONE FOR COMMANDER SHEPARD. UP IN THE CONTROL TOWER IS SHE??' -.-

 

It was funny at first but I only did it once. About 3 years ago  :rolleyes: but now I really want the post man to hurry up  :P

Come on post man bring me my Dragon Age!



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I'm sticking with the first creation I did in the CC, no matter what :D

 

She's pretty enough, and not everyone can be Miss Thedas 9:42 Dragon, right.

 

I just wonder why Neria, the Keeper from MP looks the way she makes Aveline feel like Miss Thedas...



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If it helps she says something a bit further down the romance, along the lines of:

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I really hoped someone would prove me wrong somehow, but I see from yours and few other people's responses that I didn't overanalyze anything.

 

Sure, a person can think someone else is attractive even if they don't "go that way", but she's the first lesbian character in this series. Why did there have to be a dialogue suggesting she thinks about Iron Bull in THAT way? Does Dorian say anything similar about some woman? From what I've seen it's actually emphasized in his case how gay he is.
 

This doesn't exist in vacuum, there are damaging stereotypes that lesbians are not "really" gay like gay men (shared even by some gay men - Frankie Grande some time ago gave a speech in Big Brother that "gay men are born gay but lesbians chose to be this way"), that deep down they need **** and all it takes is the "right man" to make them realize that.

 

This message is encouraged by popular media portrayal of lesbians. "Lesbian sleeping with a man" trope is extremely overused, and if there is no sex, very often in some other way it is implied that lesbian character isn't so totally sexually uninterested in men, even if she doesn't want to date them (because of apparently having some emotional issues with men).

 

This is really disheartening.



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Hanako Ikezawa

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This message is encouraged by popular media portrayal of lesbians. "Lesbian sleeping with a man" trope is extremely overused, and if there is no sex, very often in some other way it is implied that lesbian character isn't so totally sexually uninterested in men, even if she doesn't want to date them (because of apparently having some emotional issues with men).

We experience vastly different media. I have never once seen these tropes. 



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Here I am, gathering elfroot and iron, poking around people's houses when I'm supposed to be fixing a tear in the fabric of reality. Typical me... ;)
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Here I am, gathering elfroot and iron, poking around people's houses when I'm supposed to be fixing a tear in the fabric of reality. Typical me... ;)

If Shepard could dillydally when there was a race of giant genocidal machines killing or harvesting all life in the galaxy without being blamed, I'm sure the Inquisitor won't get into trouble for dillydallying while there are holes in the fabric of reality spitting out demons like an assembly line. :D



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Here I am, gathering elfroot and iron, poking around people's houses when I'm supposed to be fixing a tear in the fabric of reality. Typical me... ;)

 

I know, right! I actually went hunting around Haven. I guess I'd make a good Dalish Elf!



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Woot! I got my pay check today! As soon as I'm off work, I'm racing to EB Games to get DAI! Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaay!

 

And I had just started a new playthrough of FNV too... It'll wait! I want to meet Sera toniiiiiight!


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Lmao, i finally found Sera and flirted with her for the first time.

 

Her reply:

 

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Also @misoteru, i think you read the line a little tooooo much. Nowhere near it means she likes IB sexually. But ofc, you can ask her writer, Lukas, about this.


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#35635
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We experience vastly different media. I have never once seen these tropes. 

 

Apparently you don't watch many mainstream movies and shows with lesbian characters. Some examples just from this year:

 

Spoiler



#35636
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"Help the refugees"

"Sera slightly approves"

*Serza fist pumps*


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I really hoped someone would prove me wrong somehow, but I see from yours and few other people's responses that I didn't overanalyze anything.

 

Sure, a person can think someone else is attractive even if they don't "go that way", but she's the first lesbian character in this series. Why did there have to be a dialogue suggesting she thinks about Iron Bull in THAT way? Does Dorian say anything similar about some woman? From what I've seen it's actually emphasized in his case how gay he is.
 

This doesn't exist in vacuum, there are damaging stereotypes that lesbians are not "really" gay like gay men (shared even by some gay men - Frankie Grande some time ago gave a speech in Big Brother that "gay men are born gay but lesbians chose to be this way"), that deep down they need **** and all it takes is the "right man" to make them realize that.

 

This message is encouraged by popular media portrayal of lesbians. "Lesbian sleeping with a man" trope is extremely overused, and if there is no sex, very often in some other way it is implied that lesbian character isn't so totally sexually uninterested in men, even if she doesn't want to date them (because of apparently having some emotional issues with men).

 

This is really disheartening.

 

You are overanalysing, you would have a point if Sera got a one-night stand with IB "cause he's Qunari".

 

Merely stating someone is attractive is no big deal, and Sera doesn't spend her time swooning over IB, their banter are mostly about combat achievements and, in fact, women.


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#35638
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You are overanalysing, you would have a point if Sera got a one-night stand with IB "cause he's Qunari".

 

Merely stating someone is attractive is no big deal, and Sera doesn't spend her time swooning over IB, their banter are mostly about combat achievements and, in fact, women.

 

I hoped I overanalysed it by interpreting those lines as having something (anything) to do with attraction, but you are yet another person who validates this interpretation yet say that I am overanalysing. What exactly then?

 

And in such case, it was a bit more than "merely stating someone is attractive", and as always, it had to be the lesbian who says such stuff about a man.



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Also @misoteru, i think you read the line a little tooooo much. Nowhere near it means she likes IB sexually. But ofc, you can ask her writer, Lukas, about this.

 

I would like to ask him what was that dialogue supposed to mean, is there any specific form of contact?



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I really hoped someone would prove me wrong somehow, but I see from yours and few other people's responses that I didn't overanalyze anything.

 

Sure, a person can think someone else is attractive even if they don't "go that way", but she's the first lesbian character in this series. Why did there have to be a dialogue suggesting she thinks about Iron Bull in THAT way? Does Dorian say anything similar about some woman? From what I've seen it's actually emphasized in his case how gay he is.
 

This doesn't exist in vacuum, there are damaging stereotypes that lesbians are not "really" gay like gay men (shared even by some gay men - Frankie Grande some time ago gave a speech in Big Brother that "gay men are born gay but lesbians chose to be this way"), that deep down they need **** and all it takes is the "right man" to make them realize that.

 

This message is encouraged by popular media portrayal of lesbians. "Lesbian sleeping with a man" trope is extremely overused, and if there is no sex, very often in some other way it is implied that lesbian character isn't so totally sexually uninterested in men, even if she doesn't want to date them (because of apparently having some emotional issues with men).

 

This is really disheartening.

I haven't played the game yet but it sounds like you're pissed that Sera expressed some sort of attraction to IB.

 

While I understand the frustration, you need to take into account that Dorian and Sera are completely different personalities. They will say different things in many different contexts. For all you know, Sera meant that as a joke and was never serious about it.

 

Why did it have to be her, the lesbian, who says that? Well, because she happened to be the character with the crazy blunt and playful personality.

 

Granted, I haven't played the game and have no context to base any of this on. But this is what it sounds like to me and I have a hard time imagining it to be much different.

 

Woot! I got my pay check today! As soon as I'm off work, I'm racing to EB Games to get DAI! Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaay!

You mean you never preordered the game? :blink:



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Sera doesn't flirt with Iron Bull, merely comments on his physical appearance, the dude is a tank



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Apparently you don't watch many mainstream movies and shows with lesbian characters. Some examples just from this year:

 

Spoiler

Well, they are mainstream but just in a different circle. For example I watch a lot of anime that is considered mainstream that has lesbian characters and they never hook up with guys. They either are single or have a fellow female character as a love interest, with either them being a couple or just a one-sided thing with the other character not reciprocating the attraction for whatever reason.

 

Bringing this back to Sera, I see her comment about The Iron Bull as similar to Merrill's comment on Qunari. Both women just find them aesthetically pleasing. 



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I haven't played the game yet but it sounds like you're pissed that Sera expressed some sort of attraction to IB.

 

While I understand the frustration, you need to take into account that Dorian and Sera are completely different personalities. They will say different things in many different contexts. For all you know, Sera meant that as a joke and was never serious about it.

 

Why did it have to be her, the lesbian, who says that? Well, because she happened to be the character with the crazy blunt and playful personality.

 

Granted, I haven't played the game and have no context to base any of this on. But this is what it sounds like to me and I have a hard time imagining it to be much different.

 

No, it wasn't said like a joke nor in playful way, she sounded serious actually, you have to hear it yourself (and apparently play as female Qunari to do so, though I wonder what alternative male Qunari gets).



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And in such case, it was a bit more than "merely stating someone is attractive", and as always, it had to be the lesbian who says such stuff about a man.

 

Sera didn't say it because she was a lesbian, but because she's a raw person who just says what she thinks and happens to appreciate bulky people.

 

You have to put it in the context of the character.


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So just because she "sounded serious" would mean she wants to ride the Bull? Are you kidding me now. -_-

Sera likes the ladies. Commenting on someone's looks doesn't say anything.

 

 

I personally find Dorian very pleasing on the eyes, that means i want to bed him?


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Sera didn't say it because she was a lesbian, but because she's a raw person who just says what she thinks and happens to appreciate bulky people.

 

You have to put it in the context of the character.

This is precisely what I was saying.

 

You are bringing her sexuality into a matter with which it has nothing to do. You're indeed overanalyzing and I don't think this is what you think it is.



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So just because she "sounded serious" would mean she wants to ride the Bull? Are you kidding me now. -_-
Sera likes the ladies. Commenting on someone's looks doesn't say anything.
 
 
I personally find Dorian very pleasing on the eyes, that means i want to bed him?

His moustache turned me slightly bi

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Bringing this back to Sera, I see her comment about The Iron Bull as similar to Merrill's comment on Qunari. Both women just find them aesthetically pleasing. 

 

 

And Merrill is bisexual. And speaking of Sera, she didn't say she finds him nice to look at, but said that he makes her wonder about "things" (like I said, spoken after a pause and in a weird sounding way), after what she compared him to my female Qunari character she's really crazy about to reassure her "he's got nothing on you", which, as I'm not native English speaker so I checked the net, means "is nothing in comparison to you; does not compare to you"

 

So if she's supposed to say it in the context we're talking about, then that dialogue really does insinuate she is sexually attracted to him, just not to the degree she's sexually attracted to my character. Which technically would make her bisexual with preference for women.

 

That's why I would really like to hear what her writer meant by it when he wrote it.


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If Sera was bisexual she'd be well...bisexual

She is not, reading so deeply into a throwaway line isn't going to change that

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If Sera was bisexual she'd be well...bisexual

She is not, reading so deeply into a throwaway line isn't going to change that

If that was so simple then so many lesbian characters in the media wouldn't be showed to be sexually attracted to men.