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[Roamingmachine]

I've talked to plenty of Dalish, they sure fooled me. Not to mention the Dalish don't consider city elves to be real elves. They act as if wondering around aimlessly in the wilds makes them morally superior to city elves.

 

Self-respect and pride in their culture is not snobbishness. And i think its the not getting on their knees and begging for mercy part that does give them a bit of moral edge, yes.  Shall we agree to disagree and not bring up the Dalish again?  Besides, Sera spits venom on the city elves too, with their stupid tree and alienages full of d***s....

[Ailith Tycane]

Self-respect and pride in their culture is not snobbishness. And i think its the not getting on their knees and begging for mercy part that does give them a bit of moral edge, yes.  Shall we agree to disagree and not bring up the Dalish again?  Besides, Sera spits venom on the city elves too, with their stupid tree and alienages full of d***s....

 

The Dalish have an astronomical amount of hubris in order to feel they are better than anyone, and this was made exceptionally clear if you saw the ending of the Solas romance. 

[Wissenschaft 2.0]

Self-respect and pride in their culture is not snobbishness. And i think its the not getting on their knees and begging for mercy part that does give them a bit of moral edge, yes.  Shall we agree to disagree and not bring up the Dalish again?  Besides, Sera spits venom on the city elves too, with their stupid tree and alienages full of d***s....

 

True indeed, Sera is wise in her own way. And we are on topic, discussing why Sera dislikes elves being Elfy.

[Roamingmachine]

The Dalish have an astronomical amount of hubris in order to feel they are better than anyone, and this was made exceptionally clear if you saw the ending of the Solas romance. 

Ok, so we are going there....

 

Talking about the vallaslin are you? The ones that the Dalish adopted after the fall of the dales to mark them out as a sign of defiance and have nothing to do with the what Solas says about them except being the same designs?

 

Seriously, can we not do this here?

[Ailith Tycane]

I don't see why not. The Dailish claim to be trying to resurrect a society that their slave ancestors helped annihilate with the help of Tevinter. they have no idea about their own history and yet feel entitled to be completely elitist about it.

 

Honestly, I don't understand how anyone can be so pro any faction in this game to the point of getting genuinely mad on the forums, they're all exceptionally flawed in their own ways, and this game just happened to put a spotlight on the Dalish and their flaws. I actually laughed out loud when I heard Solas explain the face tattoos because it was just amazingly ironic and wonderful writing that the Dalish actually know nothing about their own heritage. 

 

As far as Sera is concerned, her anti "elfy" attitude was refreshing, I actually enjoyed it and I played this game as an elf. If you want to keep arguing, probably be best to PM so we don't go off the rails too much. 

[Wissenschaft 2.0]

I don't see why not. The Dailish claim to be trying to resurrect a society that their slave ancestors helped annihilate with the help of Tevinter. they have no idea about their own history and yet feel entitled to be completely elitist about it.

 

As far as Sera is concerned, her anti "elfy" attitude was refreshing, I actually enjoyed it and I played this game as an elf. If you want to keep arguing, probably be best to PM so we don't go off the rails too much. 

 

*high five* I couldn't have said that better myself. Though, you might want to put the middle part in spoiler tags since we still got people here who haven't played the game yet.

[SardaukarElite]

Honestly, I don't understand how anyone can be so pro any faction in this game to the point of getting genuinely mad on the forums, they're all exceptionally flawed in their own ways, and this game just happened to put a spotlight on the Dalish and their flaws.

 

People are strange. I've seen people aligning to factions for games that were still in development with nothing more than a paragraph and a logo to go on.

 

Humanity needs its champions and ritual combat, or something.

[Serza]

What do you mean Tressa Lavellan and Tera Hawke look like sisters?

 

Spoiler

 

I might possibly share Bull's liking for redheads. It's a bit weird that he keeps going on to Tressa about it though... Also, why is my rogue Hawke wearing Warrior armour? My keep import seems to have worked as far as other things I've seen are concerned. Is this a known bug?

 

Oh and Sera related... When I flirted with Scout Harding:

 

Spoiler

I got "Sera Approves". Wasn't expecting that, but it makes sense I guess, in a way...

 

Hmm, come to think of it... Nooooo... Totally not alike.

 

I wonder... Kallian is a redhead... Caterina is a blonde... Arianne is... uh... halfway?

Uh... Now I'm not sure...

(But I sure have a thing for elves, I guess.... The weird stuff you realize...)

 

Also, Tressa's ears are much... longer... than Arianne's! How!

I tried, I swear I tried, but I couldn't get them any longer.

Not that I mind in the end. Her ears look cute.

[veeia]

Hey guys. I haven't been around this thread as much because I've been so frustrated with the banter bug. Had Sera in my party for the majority of the game, like 70 hours, and only heard three banters from her. so reading any of the character threads stressed me out because ALL THE MISSED BANTER sigh.

Loved her though. What a fascinating character. I hope to eventually hear more from her, because it does seem like you miss so much without banters. I did have some issues with her elf issues...but more because the entire game gave me elf issues...so I wasn't particularly bothered by her except as a part of that.

She and my Cadash had an up and down relationship, but they ended up friends. The kind who get frustrated and argue but would stab someone else if they insulted one of them.

[introverted_assassin]

3am thought: Perhaps Sera approves when we flirt with Harding because it displays your preference in the open. Maybe...there's a story there.

[Serza]

Hey guys. I haven't been around this thread as much because I've been so frustrated with the banter bug. Had Sera in my party for the majority of the game, like 70 hours, and only heard three banters from her. so reading any of the character threads stressed me out because ALL THE MISSED BANTER sigh.

Loved her though. What a fascinating character. I hope to eventually hear more from her, because it does seem like you miss so much without banters. I did have some issues with her elf issues...but more because the entire game gave me elf issues...so I wasn't particularly bothered by her except as a part of that.

She and my Cadash had an up and down relationship, but they ended up friends. The kind who get frustrated and argue but would stab someone else if they insulted one of them.

 

I'm hoping for a Leliana's Song 2.0, this time with Sera, to tell the truth...

 

3am thought: Perhaps Sera approves when we flirt with Harding because it displays your preference in the open. Maybe...there's a story there.

 

The two of them...?

 

That's... have they even met before?

Or maybe... *gasp*

[AlexiaRevan]

@Green Lady : Hey !! long time no see...Arrr! lol 

 

@Boshtet! HIIIIIIIIIIIIII

 

@Kasumi: Wait what ? Aw man..I gotta flirt with the dwarf to have Sera ? Ya freaking Kidding me !!!

[Ailith Tycane]

I like how Sera's pub song is super popular and yet Sera finds it creepy, lol. 

[Dean_the_Young]

Humans, elves, any innocent low class caught in the middle

 

More to the point, any low class who gets caught up and pushed around and smashed down by 'necessity' or 'greater good' or 'this is what you need to be as an X' arguments by bigger people who don't have to suffer the costs of sacrificing or stomping the little people.

 

Taking Sera to the Orlais ball was fun. When she sees the elf who was lured into the royal quarters to be murdered, she is furious.
 

[Dean_the_Young]

Only if the elves are sufficiently non-elfy for her. Because Dalish are all snobbish nobles despite being penniless nomads.

 

...and that prevents them from being snobbish how, pray tell?

[Dean_the_Young]

Damn it all.

 

No, I've never experienced this in real life. The mental walls I put up between people who disagree with me on fundamental topics and people who are actually close to me are virtually unassailable. Sera's somehow cracked this, but I know from what other people have said that she never really gains any character development on the issue and would wind up breaking up with me anyway.

 

That's sad.

 

Not the Sera thing, that's inconsequential, but the fact that you put up mental walls towards others who express disagreement that challenges your views. That's just insular and self-limiting.

 

Just like Sera.

[LobselVith8]

...and that prevents them from being snobbish how, pray tell?

 

I don't see how you can condemn an entire ethnic race of men, women, and children, when we have met a variety of different Dalish, and anyone should know better than to think they are all the same. Refusing to submit to human rule, wanting to have the freedom to follow their own gods, viewing magic as a gift of the Creators, wanting their mages to be free - there are a lot of issues that run in opposition to how Andrastian societies worked, and it ended up making the Dalish outlaws (particularly as the elven pantheon was outlawed).

 

With centuries of human lords driving the Dalish away, with some Andrastians using threats of violence to try to coerce the Dalish to convert, with templars pursuing the Dalish, the Dalish became wary of outsiders.

[Dean_the_Young]

Coming from a queer woman, it matters. It matters a lot, and I just wish they had included it. 

 

Fair enough.

 

However... if you'd like a silver lining, here's a thought for you to appreciate: Sera is a lesbian in her own right, rather than a token political lesbian to stand up and make some statement on sexual politics. It is a part of her, rather than defining her, which in its own way is as respectful a take on same-sex relationships as any other. Her being a person of awkward views and awkward mannerisms and immaturity? That's why people generally won't like her. Her being a lesbian? That's normal.

 

That normality, of not being a statement, is something that Dorian lacks. The whole 'cure the gay through horrible acts' factor of the Dorian romance has some pretty strong real-world parallels, and could be interpreted as much as a statement of IRL views as an in-universe drama. That sort of plotline would not have occurred had Dorian's homosexuality been an uncontroversial part of him, rather than being a major defining characteristic of his character arc. I would be hard pressed to argue that Dorian couldn't be viewed as a political statement about homosexuality, but the same charge really couldn't be applied to Sera. She might be a statement on some other political points (the forgotten underclasses who get nobly stomped on in the name of the greater good by class/ideology/identity movements), but she's not a token lesbian.

 

I'm not trying to argue against your wish in this matter. Preferences are preferences, and nothing wrong with how you are conducting yourself about it. But I hope you don't view what you did have as disrespectful towards you.
 

[LobselVith8]

That's sad.

 

Not the Sera thing, that's inconsequential, but the fact that you put up mental walls towards others who express disagreement that challenges your views. That's just insular and self-limiting.

 

Just like Sera.

 

I don't see how it's sad to be disinclined to romance someone who loathes what makes you who you are. I wouldn't want to romance someone who hoped I wasn't "too Latino", as an example.

[Dean_the_Young]

I don't see how you can condemn an entire ethnic race of men, women, and children, when we have met a variety of different Dalish, and anyone should know better than to think they are all the same. Refusing to submit to human rule, wanting to have the freedom to follow their own gods, viewing magic as a gift of the Creators, wanting their mages to be free - there are a lot of issues that run in opposition to how Andrastian societies worked, and it ended up making the Dalish outlaws (particularly as the elven pantheon was outlawed).

 

With centuries of human lords driving the Dalish away, with some Andrastians using threats of violence to try to coerce the Dalish to convert, with templars pursuing the Dalish, the Dalish became wary of outsiders.

 

In your righteous indignation you seem to have misread what you were replying to, because what you are typing has nothing to do with what you are replying to.

 

 

Xil made a statement insinuating that the Dalish couldn't be snobbish nobles despite being penniless nomads. The two are not mutually exclusive. Poor homeless nobles can still be snobs and arrogant. Poverty is not synonymous with humility.

[Dean_the_Young]

I don't see how it's sad to be disinclined to romance someone who loathes what makes you who you are. I wouldn't want to romance someone who hoped I wasn't "too Latino", as an example.

 

That's nice, Lobsel. Irrelevant to what you quoted, but nice.

[LobselVith8]

In your righteous indignation you seem to have misread what you were replying to, because what you are typing has nothing to do with what you are replying to.

 

 

Xil made a statement insinuating that the Dalish couldn't be snobbish nobles despite being penniless nomads. The two are not mutually exclusive. Poor homeless nobles can still be snobs and arrogant. Poverty is not synonymous with humility.

 

Except your point enforces what Xil said: that the Dalish can't be snobbish nobles because they aren't nobility, they are a diverse group of nomads who live independent of human rule for a variety of reasons.

 

That's nice, Lobsel. Irrelevant to what you quoted, but nice.

 

Hardly, when the disagreements focus on disdain for one's culture and race.

[Serza]

Ugh! I just paid that t*t Ser Morriss the Quartermaster a visit.

 

They replaced experienced, loyal and resourceful Threnn by that douche whose only qualification for the job are his FAMILY TIES.

 

I'll watch that t*t, Morriss indeed, Threnn. Thanks for the warning...

 

Maybe I should decide who takes up the important roles, not some pencil pusher in Orlais that doesn't like Threnn!

[YourFunnyUncle]

Hmm, come to think of it... Nooooo... Totally not alike.

 

I wonder... Kallian is a redhead... Caterina is a blonde... Arianne is... uh... halfway?

Uh... Now I'm not sure...

(But I sure have a thing for elves, I guess.... The weird stuff you realize...)

 

Also, Tressa's ears are much... longer... than Arianne's! How!

I tried, I swear I tried, but I couldn't get them any longer.

Not that I mind in the end. Her ears look cute.

I honestly can't remember what I did with the ears in CC. Could it be because I started from a different head preset? (Tressa is actually made from the dark-skinned preset because I liked that basic head shape.)

 

Has anybody else had rogue Hawke show up in the warrior armour? I've not done the mission with her yet so I don't know if it's just a glitch whie she's at Skyhold...

[LobselVith8]

The Dalish have an astronomical amount of hubris in order to feel they are better than anyone, and this was made exceptionally clear if you saw the ending of the Solas romance. 

 

I've never quite understood why some people assume the Dalish are a singular group of people with no divergent points of view. Elora, Cammen, Gheyna, Athras, Merrill - just a few names that prove that the Dalish aren't a hivemind with only one perspective, but an ethnic group of people with varying points of view.

 

I don't see why not. The Dailish claim to be trying to resurrect a society that their slave ancestors helped annihilate with the help of Tevinter. they have no idea about their own history and yet feel entitled to be completely elitist about it.

 

Honestly, I don't understand how anyone can be so pro any faction in this game to the point of getting genuinely mad on the forums, they're all exceptionally flawed in their own ways, and this game just happened to put a spotlight on the Dalish and their flaws. I actually laughed out loud when I heard Solas explain the face tattoos because it was just amazingly ironic and wonderful writing that the Dalish actually know nothing about their own heritage. 

 

Actually, the Dalish are the remnants of the Dales, not Arlathan, and not every Dalish wants to resurrect the Dales; from the journal of the hunter Taniel, "The keeper says that one day the Dalish will find a home that we can call our own. But why? Why should we tie ourselves to stone constructions like the humans and the dwarves? What is wrong with the life we have now? We owe nothing to anyone, we have no master but ourselves, and we go where the halla and the gods take us. There is nothing more wonderful than sitting on an aravel as it flies through the forest, pulled by our halla. We are truly free, for the first time in our people's history. Why should we change this?"

 

As for why anyone would be a fan of the Dalish (or any specific group), it's similar to what Lavellan can tell Solas when he asks if he was wrong about the Dalish: they aren't perfect, but there is still good there.

 

I like how Sera's pub song is super popular and yet Sera finds it creepy, lol. 

 

I must have missed that. Which pub song is that?