Ah but... Does Sera personally think that all these things are shameful, or does she simply know that they consider them shameful and hence they could be used against them as part of the grand game? Can you truly judge that from one comment?
No, you can't.
She's perfectly neutral on the delivery, so it's not obvious whether they're shameful to her, or just shameful to them.
Ah but... Does Sera personally think that all these things are shameful, or does she simply know that they consider them shameful and hence they could be used against them as part of the grand game? Can you truly judge that from one comment?
Yeah, I'm sure that pairing being trans with beating a squire (which rather isn't considered shameful by the nobleman who does it) wasn't meant at all to be shaming for being trans (or crossdresser as someone in attempt to justify Sera here mentioned as possibility - because apparently when you're a crossdresser, you deserve the shaming).
I'm not trans, but the amount of dismiss and denial reminds me a lot conversations I had with fans of shows that introduced "lesbian sleeping with a man and enjoying it" trope. Even the arguments are the same, including "People try awfully hard to be offended" and stating that by making any complaint they'll make themselves unlikable.
I don't have too much problem with the character herself, but with the writing - it's as if they intentionally made her unlikable (that was even what the devs said before release - that she's "love or hate" character, and they were right, she's the most hated character and they foreseen that, so they gave an option to kick her out at any time - and only her). Those little details that make her look like a close minded bigot don't seem so 'accidental'.
This is really problematic considering that lesbian representation in DA games so far was "A Paragon Of Her Kind" - story of psycho lesbian who betrays her female lover to gain power, leaving her for Darkspawn to turn her into Broodmother, by process that sounded like repetitive rape.
I just got the tavern scene in Skyhold. Amazing.
I just got the tavern scene in Skyhold. Amazing.
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She does that 
Partial inspiration for my story back on page 1508 
I just got the tavern scene in Skyhold. Amazing.
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I don't think that was hiding as much as a drunken coma.
FYI, it's "transgender/cisgender," not "transgendered/cisgendered."
I think it's a dig at the masks. They don't hide anything.
Typical orlesians.
FYI, it's "transgender/cisgender," not "transgendered/cisgendered."
Why no "ed"?
Why no "ed"?
It isn't a verb.
Also, I agree with everything misoretu said in her previous post.
Typical orlesians.
Just typical? We can think of better.
Just typical? We can think of better.
*painfully obvious fake French accent* Then you should work on your Orlesian accent!
Yeah, I'm sure that pairing being trans with beating a squire (which rather isn't considered shameful by the nobleman who does it) wasn't meant at all to be shaming for being trans (or crossdresser as someone in attempt to justify Sera here mentioned as possibility - because apparently when you're a crossdresser, you deserve the shaming).
You think that in the grand game, it's considered acceptable practice to beat your squire? I very much doubt that. A squire is the name for a knight in training, or minor nobility, depending on when in history you look. This is not just any old servant.
FYI, it's "transgender/cisgender," not "transgendered/cisgendered."
Fair enough. My mistake.
You think that in the grand game, it's considered acceptable practice to beat your squire? I very much doubt that. A squire is the name for a knight in training, or minor nobility, depending on when in history you look. This is not just any old servant.
What's acceptable in the Game is "whatever you can get away with," from what I can tell.
What's acceptable in the Game is "whatever you can get away with," from what I can tell.
So... If it comes out that you beat your squire, it's a scandal, but if you can keep it secret, it's OK. That reinforces my point.
Not random at all - she paired that with such things as having STD, beating a squire or being result of inbreeding - obviously meant as knowing shameful secret about those people.
I hardly think that's the case, it seems to me from that line, its more like she's making observations about the people around her, or casing the joint so to speak. I don't see how her mentioning someone being a cross dresser, makes her transphobic.
So... If it comes out that you beat your squire, it's a scandal, but if you can keep it secret, it's OK. That reinforces my point.
I think it's entirely vague regarding whether it's okay or not. Regardless, I think this is a question that Lukas could stand to answer.
So... If it comes out that you beat your squire, it's a scandal, but if you can keep it secret, it's OK. That reinforces my point.
Especially if your squire goes on to be a powerful chervalier, who's to stop him from running his mouth? I mean I'd think the squire would have every chance and... hmmm not sure of the word, obligation is to strong, but will doesn't really fit either... either way, I'd think the squire, if they became a chevalier would want some kind of revenge?
Yeah, I'm sure that pairing being trans with beating a squire (which rather isn't considered shameful by the nobleman who does it) wasn't meant at all to be shaming for being trans (or crossdresser as someone in attempt to justify Sera here mentioned as possibility - because apparently when you're a crossdresser, you deserve the shaming).
I'm not trans, but the amount of dismiss and denial reminds me a lot conversations I had with fans of shows that introduced "lesbian sleeping with a man and enjoying it" trope. Even the arguments are the same, including "People try awfully hard to be offended" and stating that by making any complaint they'll make themselves unlikable.
I don't have too much problem with the character herself, but with the writing - it's as if they intentionally made her unlikable (that was even what the devs said before release - that she's "love or hate" character, and they were right, she's the most hated character and they foreseen that, so they gave an option to kick her out at any time - and only her). Those little details that make her look like a close minded bigot don't seem so 'accidental'.
This is really problematic considering that lesbian representation in DA games so far was "A Paragon Of Her Kind" - story of psycho lesbian who betrays her female lover to gain power, leaving her for Darkspawn to turn her into Broodmother, by process that sounded like repetitive rape.
In many ways Sera reminds me of Alice from The L Word...a funny, often abrasive character who occasionally said some REALLY offensive stuff. I loved Alice, but I recognized that she was written to be divisive.
The big difference between her and Sera, of course, other than the worlds they live in, is that Alice was part of an ensemble cast of many characters, and I don't think anybody watching ever thought that she was supposed to be representing the entire LGBT community.
So should Sera be held to a higher standard than anyone else in the cast of DA:I? It's kind of baffling to me that people will call Iron Bull "perfect" (yeah no), while Sera is being written off entirely. There are people acting like you're a bad fan for even having Sera in your party...that's the kind of thing that really disturbs me about all of this critique.
You think that in the grand game, it's considered acceptable practice to beat your squire? I very much doubt that. A squire is the name for a knight in training, or minor nobility, depending on when in history you look. This is not just any old servant.
I don't think it changes anything in that context, but if you wish to analyze that point, here you go - was Blackwall a nobleman? IIRC he mentions a chevalier wanting to take him for a squire.
Also, I've read how rich boys (which meant, mostly nobles) IRL were treated at universities in historical periods of times and they were getting beaten often, though it also happened in the other way around so Jagiellonian University had to have a written rule that it's forbidden to throw rocks at the lecturer.
In many ways Sera reminds me of Alice from The L Word...a funny, often abrasive character who occasionally said some REALLY offensive stuff. I loved Alice, but I recognized that she was written to be divisive.
The big difference between her and Sera, of course, other than the worlds they live in, is that Alice was part of an ensemble cast of many characters, and I don't think anybody watching ever thought that she was supposed to be representing the entire LGBT community.
So should Sera be held to a higher standard than anyone else in the cast of DA:I? It's kind of baffling to me that people will call Iron Bull "perfect" (yeah no), while Sera is being written off entirely. There are people acting like you're a bad fan for even having Sera in your party...that's the kind of thing that really disturbs me about all of this critique.
That bad? Wow. I don't particularly like or dislike Sera. There are times I think she's really funny and others I want to give her a dope slap and tell her to shut up. I think the most off putting thing about Sera, for most people, is that she absolutely won't change her mind about her beliefs. She won't discuss or change them for anyone. Maybe it rubs players the wrong way because they're used to having so much influence on their companions?
She's always in my party, incidently. The banter with Dorian alone makes it worth it. They had an insult match in banter earlier and Dorian won, and Sera is such a 'graceful' loser.
Dorian: Too late. I've won this one.
Sera: ******!
Not related, but...
I changed my Steam nickname to "Inquisitor Serza", and today someone asked me if I'm religious because of it.
I answered that I'm NOT the Herald of Andraste
Not related, but...
I changed my Steam nickname to "Inquisitor Serza", and today someone asked me if I'm religious because of it.
I answered that I'm NOT the Herald of Andraste
That is awesome.
In many ways Sera reminds me of Alice from The L Word...a funny, often abrasive character who occasionally said some REALLY offensive stuff. I loved Alice, but I recognized that she was written to be divisive.
The big difference between her and Sera, of course, other than the worlds they live in, is that Alice was part of an ensemble cast of many characters, and I don't think anybody watching ever thought that she was supposed to be representing the entire LGBT community.
So should Sera be held to a higher standard than anyone else in the cast of DA:I? It's kind of baffling to me that people will call Iron Bull "perfect" (yeah no), while Sera is being written off entirely. There are people acting like you're a bad fan for even having Sera in your party...that's the kind of thing that really disturbs me about all of this critique.
Oh, a lot of companions suck in this game. By no means do I think Iron Bull is perfect. But Sera is definitely one of them.
Because it was getting a bit gloomy in here....
Anyhoo....I find it interesting that Sera is a bit iffy about Varric, the guy who is also very much on the side of the little people. They are alike on the surface level but i think she said something about him thinking too much and something about how he talks a lot....? Anyone remember/have a clip of that convo?
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