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#39276
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Pick everything that boosts your experience gains and Deft Hands Lockpick thingumabob. Those are the absolute necessary. Riding is pointless in this game. Even the larger areas like Hissing Wastes have no need off mounts.

I know one mission that is a whole lot easier with a mount.

 

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These will be my perks this time around:

 

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-snip-

 

 

100% legit.

 

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So true.



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I know one mission that is a whole lot easier with a mount.

 

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These will be my perks this time around:

 

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But it runs in the direction it's supposed to go anyway.



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this is the scene with an elf that goes through with the whole breakup.

That's depressing  :( 

 

Sort of reminds me of the breakup scene with Thane in ME2. "I can't love a dying man."



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this is the scene with an elf that goes through with the whole breakup.

 

Apparently she has a horrible past with dalish elves in general. I don't blame her at all tbh. Especially the part where she says "You'd get if you were smarter. If you understood what it "meant to be elven."" Painful scene.

 

Who ever told her or gave her bad past problems is a huge ******. <_<



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Completely justified complaint though, like she was being completely unreasonable and selfish forcing you to deny a part of yourself just to continue the relationship. No compromise, no middle ground, no inch of respect for your Dalish elf's beliefs. Sera has many faults, that was a glaring one IMO.


This goes a bit in to 'personal stuff' territory, but...
Some people collect their troubles in their mind and bottle them up. They don't speak of them and for the most part, they are fine as they forget old worries as fast as new ones come in. And then suddenly there comes a tidal wave and everything starts crumbling. At this point, some will seek help in other people but others will just continue to try and bottle it all up. Sera is the former type. No, her request isn't reasonable or rational. But it doesn't matter to her as she is fighting to keep herself from coming apart. The inquisitor is her liferaft and she is clinging as hard as she can. The look on her face she has if you question her about it is the same that I saw on the face of someone I cared about a great deal who, similarily to Sera, had to suddenly face a tidal wave she was not equipped to handle. Only she was an example of the latter kind of person. And honestly, I'd rather take Seras direct confrontation than 'I'm fine' and 'It's nothing', that look of pain and shame on her face, and watch her withdraw in to herself further and further every day without being able to do anything about it. Once in a lifetime, never again.

...Too much info?
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I know but still.... so many complaints about Sera rejecting the elf who believes in dalish gods. :/

I really wish there was a dialogue where Sera asks if you believe in gods before starting a rs even. That got many people frustrated.

 

I don't think it would have mattered at the time.

 

Sera wants to see the elven Inquisitor as more than just the 'elfy elf who likes to wear their past' which is how she views most Dalish elves.  This is what Sera can fall for (even if it's partially her own idealized version of the elven Inquisitor).  I think things would have been okay regardless of what gods the Inquisitor believed in.  The problem happens b/c of the Mythal temple.  Sera is faced with the possibility that the elven gods could be real and she doesn't handle that well at all.  She mainly wants the Inquisitor (regardless of race) to reassure her and to put to rest uncertainty.  

 

It's an extra problem with an elf since it possibly strikes at the idealized version of the Inquisitor that Sera believed in (the one that is more than just all the 'elfy stuff'). 


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After returning from the temple you speak with her again, she laughs about what happens, said it's all a bunch of nonsense and lies, laughs about what happened to the ancients. By all means Sera sh*t on my Dalish elf's beliefs, thanks. I find it hard to defend her in that scene, I lost a lot of respect for her after that. Lost alot of enthusiasm for her as a result on future playthroughs. You have a choice in that scene, agree with her saying you're right Sera everything that happened at the Temple is all hogwash, its all demons *ETERNAL FACEPALM* or you say well no these are my beliefs and I'll stand by them, ends relationship.

 

Well, to be fair she is kind of right.

 

The Dalish Gods may not have been demons but judging from what Solas and other sources tell us they were at the very least assholes. I mean, they totally let their priests and nobles enslave the lower masses of elven society and their war with the Forgotten Ones might have lead to the destruction of Thedas. Furthermore, I got to agree with Sera that the discovery that Dalish vasilin are actually slave markings is hilarious in the extreme. Just think about it, the Dalish have had such proud in those markings for countless countries, using them as a symbol of superiority and cultural heritage that puts them above their City Elf cousins. And guess what? That turned out to be a load of utter bullshit. All those  markings mean nothing but eternal servitude to long gone Gods and dead nobles. Hehe. So, yeah, its kind of darkly funny when you think about. Knowing most of everything you believed was misinformed lie. To be honest, I'm surprised Sera was able to see the humor in it all. Perhaps she's not as stupid as everybody thinks. 



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this is the scene with an elf that goes through with the whole breakup.

 

I admit, that's very different from what most people made it out to be. 

 

I actually feel sorry for Sera in that scene.


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I admit, that's very different from what most people made it out to be. 

 

I actually feel sorry for Sera in that scene.

 

I did feel like a huge jerk after recording that.



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Sera has huge issues with dalish in general. I wish she cleared that bit before going into a romantic rs with her and not later on. But i guess, bw loves their drama. :P

 

 

That line killed me though.... poor girl. I know "not all dalish elves are like that" but deep wounds can't be fully cured, sadly.



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I admit, that's very different from what most people made it out to be. 

 

I actually feel sorry for Sera in that scene.

 

Yeah, i thought she'd be like "You idiot! We break up then! gtfo!" or something along these lines... but Sera actually took it calmly. I can actually feel her pain there. :(



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I admit, that's very different from what most people made it out to be. 

 

I actually feel sorry for Sera in that scene.

 

Yeah, that line, "You don't mean what it is to be elven," speaks volumes about her internalized racism. Ouch. 


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Apparently she has a horrible past with dalish elves in general. I don't blame her at all tbh. Especially the part where she says "You'd get if you were smarter. If you understood what it "meant to be elven."" Painful scene.

 

Who ever told her or gave her bad past problems is a huge ******. <_<

 

I doubt she's ever met a Dalish elf.

 

She's aware that people expect her to believe/act in a certain way because she's an elf and she knows the Dalish embody that idea.  They have a narrow definition of what an 'real elf' is and should be.

 

I think some (if not most) of her issues with identity also come from her adopted mother convincing her the baker didn't like her because she was an elf.


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Yeah, that line, "You don't mean what it is to be elven," speaks volumes about her internalized racism. Ouch.

it is sad to see "self hate"

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Well, to be fair she is kind of right.

 

The Dalish Gods may not have been demons but judging from what Solas and other sources tell us they were at the very least assholes. I mean, they totally let their priests and nobles enslave the lower masses of elven society and their war with the Forgotten Ones might have lead to the destruction of Thedas. Furthermore, I got to agree with Sera that the discovery that Dalish vasilin are actually slave markings is hilarious in the extreme. Just think about it, the Dalish have had such proud in those markings for countless countries, using them as a symbol of superiority and cultural heritage that puts them above their City Elf cousins. And guess what? That turned out to be a load of utter bullshit. All those  markings mean nothing but eternal servitude to long gone Gods and dead nobles. Hehe. So, yeah, its kind of darkly funny when you think about. Knowing most of everything you believed was misinformed lie. To be honest, I'm surprised Sera was able to see the humor in it all. Perhaps she's not as stupid as everybody thinks. 

 

Those Vallaslin whatever it's called might be slave markings, but what does that matter. They are no longer slaves to these "Gods". It's called taking something old, and giving new use to it. They believe it brings them closer to there Gods or that it shows there belief, I say let them do it.



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Sera has huge issues with dalish in general. I wish she cleared that bit before going into a romantic rs with her and not later on. But i guess, bw loves their drama. :P

 

 

That line killed me though.... poor girl. I know "not all dalish elves are like that" but deep wounds can't be fully cured, sadly.

 

I recently said something to my mum about her relationship. "Wounds are like cracks in concrete, you can pave over them but the crack still exists." I hit her with some heavy s***.


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Those Vallaslin whatever it's called might be slave markings, but what does that matter. They are no longer slaves to these "Gods". It's called taking something old, and giving new use to it. They believe it brings them closer to there Gods or that it shows there belief, I say let them do it.

agrred make something new out of the bad. We do it all the time
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#39294
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I doubt she's ever met a Dalish elf.

 

She's aware that people expect her to believe/act in a certain way because she's an elf and she knows the Dalish embody that idea.  They have a narrow definition of what an 'real elf' is and should be.

 

I think some (if not most) of her issues with identity also come from her adopted mother convincing her the baker didn't like her because she was an elf.

In other words, she's an incredibly insecure person.

 

I would say that actually has a lot to do with her personal issues and beliefs.



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Well, to be fair she is kind of right.
 
The Dalish Gods may not have been demons but judging from what Solas and other sources tell us they were at the very least assholes. I mean, they totally let their priests and nobles enslave the lower masses of elven society and their war with the Forgotten Ones might have lead to the destruction of Thedas. Furthermore, I got to agree with Sera that the discovery that Dalish vasilin are actually slave markings is hilarious in the extreme. Just think about it, the Dalish have had such proud in those markings for countless countries, using them as a symbol of superiority and cultural heritage that puts them above their City Elf cousins. And guess what? That turned out to be a load of utter bullshit. All those  markings mean nothing but eternal servitude to long gone Gods and dead nobles. Hehe. So, yeah, its kind of darkly funny when you think about. Knowing most of everything you believed was misinformed lie. To be honest, I'm surprised Sera was able to see the humor in it all. Perhaps she's not as stupid as everybody thinks.


Think happy thoughts, roaming....happy thoughts......

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Yep, dredging up bad memories has put me in a foul mood. If anyone else wants to have a go at the Dalish, do pm me so we can keep further drekstorm out of this thread. But really....step right up  :angry:



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Those Vallaslin whatever it's called might be slave markings, but what does that matter. They are no longer slaves to these "Gods". It's called taking something old, and giving new use to it. They believe it brings them closer to there Gods or that it shows there belief, I say let them do it.

 

I would agree with you but the point is that the entirety of the Dalish have no idea about the true meaning of those marks and neither do they really know about the slave-based caste system that existed in Arlathan, one that their all-powerful Gods allowed to happen in their name. Do you think they would still embrace those markings and Dalish culture as a whole if they did know all the facts? Personally, I think a lot of Dalish are going to be looking for that fancy tattoo-removal spell that Solas used.



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Think happy thoughts, roaming....happy thoughts......

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Yep, dredging up bad memories has put me in a foul mood. If anyone else wants to have a go at the Dalish, do pm me so we can keep further drekstorm out of this thread. But really....step right up  :angry:

 

Alright. *steps up onto a pedestal* What ya gonna do bra!



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Well, to be fair she is kind of right.

 

The Dalish Gods may not have been demons but judging from what Solas and other sources tell us they were at the very least assholes. I mean, they totally let their priests and nobles enslave the lower masses of elven society and their war with the Forgotten Ones might have lead to the destruction of Thedas. Furthermore, I got to agree with Sera that the discovery that Dalish vasilin are actually slave markings is hilarious in the extreme. Just think about it, the Dalish have had such proud in those markings for countless countries, using them as a symbol of superiority and cultural heritage that puts them above their City Elf cousins. And guess what? That turned out to be a load of utter bullshit. All those  markings mean nothing but eternal servitude to long gone Gods and dead nobles. Hehe. So, yeah, its kind of darkly funny when you think about. Knowing most of everything you believed was misinformed lie. To be honest, I'm surprised Sera was able to see the humor in it all. Perhaps she's not as stupid as everybody thinks. 

 

I failed to see the humour in that scene, the irony oh yeah it's there alright but laughing at someone you care about who just found out that all they believed in was not entirely true, well if that doesn't make a person angry I don't know what would. It's more tragic than anything and coming from someone who is meant to care for you it stings, that was alot of information to swallow for my elf, alot of harsh truths. Can't say I appreciated Sera's response to her beliefs being shaken.



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Think happy thoughts, roaming....happy thoughts......

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Yep, dredging up bad memories has put me in a foul mood. If anyone else wants to have a go at the Dalish, do pm me so we can keep further drekstorm out of this thread. But really....step right up  :angry:

down bro down lets keep mellow

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I would agree with you but the point is that the entirety of the Dalish have no idea about the true meaning of those marks and neither do they really know about the slave-based caste system that existed in Arlathan, one that their all-powerful Gods allowed to happen in their name. Do you think they would still embrace those markings and Dalish culture as a whole if they did know all the facts? Personally, I think a lot of Dalish are going to be looking for that fancy tattoo-removal spell that Solas used.

 

But the fact that they don't know is a blessing. They don't know of the slavery, the true meaning behind them. They see them as a way of connecting to their Gods. Why do they have to learn the truth when the lie is better? It gives them hope, purpose, strength knowing there Gods are with them. Why diminish this by telling them they are slave markings?


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