Well to my knowledge the last lesbian character they did was Traynor and I thought she was pretty cool and nicely done.
Aveline was hands-down my favourite DA2 companion. She was the only one I truly wanted and she wasn't available. At least I got a kiss.
You did?!Tell me your secret because I've tried multiple times to swoon Aveline yet it was for naught.
Well to my knowledge the last lesbian character they did was Traynor and I thought she was pretty cool and nicely done.
Aveline was hands-down my favourite DA2 companion. She was the only one I truly wanted and she wasn't available. At least I got a kiss.
Thankfully, she was well written.
I meant more in general, lesbians tend to be horribly written, especially in tv shows.
I wanted to romance her too, i totally get you.
You did?!Tell me your secret because I've tried multiple times to swoon Aveline yet it was for naught.
It was only a kiss on the cheek though. If you keep flirting with her, you get that. 
You did?!Tell me your secret because I've tried multiple times to swoon Aveline yet it was for naught.
I only had that kiss happen to me once and I wasn't even trying.
I have no idea what I did differently.
I only had that kiss happen to me once and I wasn't even trying.
I have no idea what I did differently.
I did'nt even know there was a kiss to begin with,and I played DA2 over 20 times with both Male and Female Hawke trying to woo Aveline.
I did'nt even know there was a kiss to begin with,and I played DA2 over 20 times with both Male and Female Hawke trying to woo Aveline.
Would you like a video?
I think Hawke has to be either snarky as dominant tone or have flirted with Aveline throughut except the last possible option on the Wounded Coast..
It's after a successful Act 2 personal quest the dialogue is something along the lines of:
Aveline: I'm so happy I could sing
Hawke: (Autodialogue) Please don't.
Aveline: ... You there's no way I could ever repay you.#
And at # she will either kiss Hawke and look at her awkwardly or say "maybe it's simple, thank you."
Edit:
Oh a ninja, well telling from Hawke's first line it seems like she flirted with Aveline every time she could.
Modifié par Knight of Dane, 13 juin 2014 - 08:06 .
Would you like a video?
The kiss that was hidden in plain sight...now I need to know how to get that scene.
I never noticed that before.
Will be stuck in my head forever
LOL.
When the game came out, Mystranna said "Traynor's okay, other than the fact that she's obsessed with her toothbrush", and I thought she was kidding. I couldn't fathom it. But I mean, somebody, somewhere at Bioware, should have noticed. It's the only lesbian. And she LOVES her vibrating toothbrush. LOVES it. I don't care if it became a Doctor Who reference to the sonic screwdriver in Citadel, it's a freaking vibrating phallic object that a lesbian character can't live without.
I'd like to think it was unintentional, but if it's a deliberate joke, I question why it was necessary.
And if anybody out there doesn't get what I'm talking about, Google Image Search "lesbian toothbrush" with safe search off, and get back to me (but don't do it with your parents or employer in the room).
I think Hawke has to be either snarky as dominant tone or have flirted with Aveline throughut except the last possible option on the Wounded Coast..
It's after a successful Act 2 personal quest the dialogue is something along the lines of:
Aveline: I'm so happy I could sing
Hawke: (Autodialogue) Please don't.
Aveline: ... You there's no way I could ever repay you.#
And at # she will either kiss Hawke and look at her awkwardly or say "maybe it's simple, thank you."
Edit:
Oh a ninja, well telling from Hawke's first line it seems like she flirted with Aveline every time she could.
I'm trying this on my next DA2 run that'll take in august.
The kiss that was hidden in plain sight...now I need to know how to get that scene.
I'm pretty sure having high friendship (or maybe rivalry) with her is helpful. And the romantic or purple options in convos.
Are they any less of 'generic meat beings' than any other combination of gender and sexual orientation? What I mean is, if the writer creates a character, can anyone authoritatively say "there's no X that'd act like that", as opposed to X acting outside of individual set of boundaries and patterns the person in question associates with X? Especially when X operates in settings which doesn't share all that much of social norms with our own?I'd say that's bull. Lesbians aren't generic meat-beings. Nor are lesbians viewpoints and experiences readily accessible to dudes.
While I disagree with the implication (that you cannot successfully write a character unless you are yourself their mirror)…
… if it helps, I didn't attempt to write her to be an example of what a lesbian character should or should not be.
I wrote her to be Sera, and she happens to be a lesbian. I tried to take the same approach with Aveline. I didn't write her to be a strong woman, I wrote her to be a strong character. That she was a woman was part of her character, but not what wholly defined her.
Like Aveline, Sera has her flaws. I expect some will like her, and some will hate her, and that's expected. Hopefully because of her opinions/actions and not due to an expectation of what she should or should not represent.
But I can't control that, so we'll see how it goes. I've had my hits and misses before. Fun every time.
I'm pretty sure having high friendship (or maybe rivalry) with her is helpful. And the romantic options in convos.
(Hastily scribbles down info on notebook)Thanks.
Are they any less of 'generic meat beings' than any other combination of gender and sexual orientation?
Straight men are default.
That was'nt always the case,back during ancient times most people did'nt give a fig about who slept with who until religious beliefs took hold.
And if anybody out there doesn't get what I'm talking about, Google Image Search "lesbian toothbrush" with safe search off, and get back to me (but don't do it with your parents or employer in the room).
Oh. 
I'm wondering why sexual orientation is still the main focus here, over a dozen pages and several "Move on" comments later...
There's nothing wrong with her being a lesbian.
It's wrong cause I like her and I want her for my male character. So I will ****** and vent cause that is the only thing I can do.
I have doubts about a MAN writing a LESBIAN. I would have almost no doubts about a lesbian writing a straight man because stories about straight men – their lives, their experiences, their sexuality, their relationship with other men nd women – are ubiquitous. Inescapable, even. Their perspective is the default.
Some of the best things, or at least things I've really enjoyed, I've read or seen with lesbians have been created by or involved men. The same goes for women and gay men or men and women or women and men. It's more to do with the writer's ability and artistic drive than anything else, especially in fantasy settings since their own experiences don't really have a place to fit in.
I expect I’ll like Sera. I expect she’ll be a great character. But I would really, really like a great lesbian character, and response like yours make me thing you see being a lesbian as something that isn’t meaningful.
It sounds like you want one of her main things to be her being a lesbian, which is absolutely awful. A great lesbian character is a good character who happens to be a lesbian and is not overdone with it, not a lesbian who happens to have a bit of characterisation. Her being a lesbian doesn't need to thrown out there or obvious, you don't get that with most other characters and I always find it incredibly annoying when it happens to homosexual characters just to go "look, I'm totally gay! Not straight! Totally different!"
Straight, white men get to be generic people. Lesbians don’t.
Straight, white women get to have generic ‘womanhood.’ Lesbians don’t.
I don't even...
Does that make the individuals of the default any more or less generic than these of other variants?Straight men are default.
Does that make the individuals of the default any more or less generic than these of other variants?
Yes, the experiences, attitudes, and viewpoints of the privileged group are what's used to define what a generic human is. That's what it means to be privileged.
What confuses me is the idea that Lukas somehow wrote Sera in a vacuum. That there was no way that he could have possibly been going to friends and colleagues in the LBGTQ community for feedback.
Manveer Heir, DG and others talked frequently about how communicating with friends and others that they trusted is how they've moved forward with representation. I can't see why Luke would be any different. Any author worth their salt always does a lot of research before writing about someone/something outside of their normal worldview. Not just by reading, but also by going out and talking to people.
C'mon guys, this is BioWare, a company known for this kind of stuff. Each year they go out to conventions and talk to the community. They participate with us here and listen to what we have to say. They've had some missteps along the way, but their inclusion of previously ostracized groups has been getting better and better. They know they have to work hard to avoid the pervasive and awful stereotypes, such as all lesbians "really need a man;" all black people are thugs, ect ect. They do this by talking to their fans as well as remaining self-aware of the impact video games are really starting to make
DG, for instance, is not a transgender woman and wrote Mae. He did it while also talking to members of the trans community, asking for feedback and making sure he got Mae right. Overall, the fans love her, and no one seems to question if she is good just because a gay man wrote her.
I honestly think there is a lot of worry about not much. Sera's here, she's queer and she's going to kick some major heiney. It's a gorgeous Friday the 13th, so don't all of us kick back and enjoy our blonde Friend of Red Jenny?
There's much more to one's complexity than their gender and sexual orientation, just sayin'.
It's a gorgeous Friday the 13th, so don't all of us kick back and enjoy our blonde Friend of Red Jenny?
Gladly. Friday the 13th is a good day.
I found a favourite glove of mine that'd been missing for pretty much a year today. It's partner was happy to have it back.
I dearly want to know more about the Friends of Red Jenny. Who IS Red Jenny? I want Sera to spill some beans.
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