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[Hornless Qunari/Human DPS]

Cass would never be a female romance-able period she is to strong headed rofl. Viv is a realist and a mistress, Best thing would be Scout Harding maybe if they did do a proper romance for her.

[AresKeith]

Well... unfortunately, there's no way in hell I'd ever suggest Vivienne as a viable alternative, so I might be stuck. They probably should have just made Sera nonromanceable and one of the other companions female.

 

Why should they have made Sera nonromanceable?

[veeia]

I don't appreciate it, because Bioware torpedoed one of my romance options.

 

I have sympathy for that.

 

I prefer the f/m and m/m relationships in the game, and that bums me out because I'd much rather do f/f, but since I'm bi, I can enjoy them just fine. And I know I will make a character that will work with Sera romantically, but it isn't happening immediately because the kind of stories I like to tell with my characters aren't compatible with her...at least not yet. 

 

I do disagree though, for me personally that is. If Viv was romanceable I would probably never romance another character, .

[CrimsonN7]

Well... unfortunately, there's no way in hell I'd ever suggest Vivienne as a viable alternative, so I might be stuck. They probably should have just made Sera nonromanceable and one of the other companions female.

 

I dunno I was enjoying the Sera romance for the most part until after the Temple scene, just ugh so disappointing.

[GreyLycanTrope]

And she feels it's better for her to do so alone?

 

I do sympathize with her... but this is not at all a healthy relationship. And I don't think Sera is healthy either.

She doesn't think that far ahead. Remember her character description? She lives in the now in almost every sense of the phrase, and from the interaction she has with the Inquisitor it makes me think that a serious relationship isn't something she's very experienced with, so certain things she's just not willing to push. But at the same time if the inquisitor is really serious about a relationship with her then there's a few thing they should recognize and not push too far. At the end of the day they either care enough about the relationship to try and make it work past the Dalish cultural posturing or they don't consider Sera to be worth the effort for them and cut ties. Do they like her enough to see past her failings or don't they?

 

For a traditional dalish elf this is a relationship that pushes your expectations to find out just how far you're willing to go to actually try and make it work. I kinda appreciate that.

[introverted_assassin]

naw. I think, again, the point is that not everyone is compatible with everyone. They couldn't make her nonromanceable simply because some of our lovely elves don't see eye to eye with her on a core belief. She works well with other choices and taking that from those females wouldn't have been right.

[Xilizhra]

Why should they have made Sera nonromanceable?

She's basically unofficially racegated.

 

 

I have sympathy for that.

 

I prefer the f/m and m/m relationships in the game, and that bums me out because I'd much rather do f/f, but since I'm bi, I can enjoy them just fine. And I know I will make a character that will work with Sera romantically, but it isn't happening immediately because the kind of stories I like to tell with my characters aren't compatible with her...at least not yet. 

 

I do disagree though, for me personally that is. If Viv was romanceable I would probably never romance another character, .

****.

 

 

She doesn't think that far ahead. Remember her character description? She lives in the now in almost every sense of the phrase, and from the interaction she has with the Inquisitor it makes me think that a serious relationship isn't something she's very experienced with, so certain things she's just not willing to push. But at the same time if the inquisitor is really serious about a relationship with her then there's a few thing they should recognize as not pushing just too far. At the end of the day they either care enough about the relationship to try and make it work past the Dalish cultural posturing or they don't consider Sera to be worth the effort for them and cut ties. Do they like her enough to see past her failings or don't they?

 

For a traditional dalish elf this is a relationship that pushes your expectations to find out just how far you're willing to go to actually try and make it work. I kinda appreciate that.

I think that's phrased somewhat unfairly. It has nothing whatsoever to do with "cultural posturing;" Sera is demanding that I repudiate my own gods. She knew that I followed them. Trying to frame it as a choice like this is blatantly unfair.

[AresKeith]

She's basically unofficially racegated.

 

Except not entirely

[Xilizhra]

Except not entirely

Racegated against anyone who wants to uphold their race's traditions.

[AresKeith]

Racegated against anyone who wants to uphold their race's traditions.

 

depends on who some play it, after that mission it's entirely possible for some Dalish elves to see things from a different view

[Efvie]

Xil, these characters aren't written to be romances that cater to everyone's specific style

 

Which sucks. In a game we’re limited to the choices given, unlike in the real world… and it’s impossible to make the selection ‘fair’ without removing restrictions. So some people (don’t) get shafted. More options make it less likely that one would not find a single match, or be forced to settle.

 

(It is, of course, unsurprisingly perfectly okay for those who do find an option they like so the sympathy for this view is limited.)

[CrimsonN7]

Except not entirely

 

Eh she might as well be in a way, she has an obvious strong preference for qunari, humans and dwarves fall in the middle and she has a strong disdain for her own race, intensified one for Dalish who are proud of their roots.

[ComedicSociopathy]

Racegated against anyone who wants to uphold their race's traditions.

 

She may not care if you follow the Qun or the Stone.

 

Honestly, I think her main problem doesn't have to due with religious bigotry and more with being terrified of the idea of actually gods existing. While the Maker's off in distance not really doing jack and not caring what goes on Thedas, the few remaining Dalish Gods are actively doing stuff. I would be pretty terrified of a so-called god doing whatever they want on Thedas with me having no way of stopping them or understanding what they are. Sera does have serious fear of the unknown and supernatural after all, so maybe this is that fear realized and confirmed which could explain her desire to forget about it and lie to herself. 

 

Just my personal thoughts on the matter. 

[Efvie]

I think that's phrased somewhat unfairly. It has nothing whatsoever to do with "cultural posturing;" Sera is demanding that I repudiate my own gods. She knew that I followed them. Trying to frame it as a choice like this is blatantly unfair.

 

I didn’t think it was quite that simple, from a meta view (see above, for example). It would be difficult for a character in that moment to look past, probably.

But, then again, a relationship with a fundamentalist anything is difficult if you don’t share their belief and match their fervor.

[veeia]

The game pretty much assumes you're Andrastrian or Atheist if you play dwarf/Qunari, so there's really no way to gauge how she's react to those.

Pity, because she's got that slight interest in the Qun, and it would be interesting to hear her thoughts on the Stone.

[Xilizhra]

I didn’t think it was quite that simple, from a meta view (see above, for example). It would be difficult for a character in that moment to look past, probably.

But, then again, a relationship with a fundamentalist anything is difficult if you don’t share their belief and match their fervor.

You're saying that Sera is the fundamentalist, yes?

[AresKeith]

The game pretty much assumes you're Andrastrian or Atheist if you play dwarf/Qunari, so there's really no way to gauge how she's react to those.

Pity, because she's got that slight interest in the Qun, and it would be interesting to hear her thoughts on the Stone.

 

From a story perspective it makes sense, because just about all surfacer Dwarves don't care about the Stone anymore, and the qunari was never born into the Qun

[ComedicSociopathy]

The game pretty much assumes you're Andrastrian or Atheist if you play dwarf/Qunari, so there's really no way to gauge how she's react to those.

Pity, because she's got that slight interest in the Qun, and it would be interesting to hear her thoughts on the Stone.

 

I'd think she would at least be alright with the Stone. Dwarves may believe the Stone created them, but that doesn't necessarily mean that the Maker couldn't have created the Stone in the first place. In fact, the Chantry flat out believes that the Maker didn't create the Dwarves, at not directly. So, no real big contradiction faith.

 

Sera/Female Dwarf romance safe. 

[ComedicSociopathy]

I didn’t think it was quite that simple, from a meta view (see above, for example). It would be difficult for a character in that moment to look past, probably.

But, then again, a relationship with a fundamentalist anything is difficult if you don’t share their belief and match their fervor.

 

Sera is the worst fundamentalist I've ever seen in fiction. Don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing. 

[Efvie]

You're saying that Sera is the fundamentalist, yes?

 

Anyone who forgoes love for the sake of a belief, and refuses to give merit even to their lover’s argument when it’s contrary to that belief. Make of it what you will.

[Xilizhra]

Anyone who forgoes love for the sake of a belief, and refuses to give merit even to their lover’s argument when it’s contrary to that belief. Make of it what you will.

So are you attempting to say "both" here?

[CrimsonN7]

Sera is the worst fundamentalist I've ever seen in fiction. Don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing. 

 

Sera doesn't really know what the hell she believes in from a religious viewpoint, she is sorta kinda Andrastian, sorta but she demands that your Dalish elf deny their beliefs to continue the romance. Gah this still annoys me to no end.

[GreyLycanTrope]

I think that's phrased somewhat unfairly. It has nothing whatsoever to do with "cultural posturing;" Sera is demanding that I repudiate my own gods. She knew that I followed them. Trying to frame it as a choice like this is blatantly unfair.

Not really, you don't have to actually repudiate anything just that it might have some truth to it but to what extent we're not sure. After all we have is some ruins and magic, that doesn't actually confirm that these gods exits all you have to do is admit that there is room for doubt. She also tell you straight up that you can believe what you want, she just doesn't want you preaching it as gospel.

 

[Xilizhra]

Not really, you don't have to actually repudiate anything just that it might have some truth too it. After all we have is some ruins and magic, that doesn't actually confirm that these gods exits all you have to do is admit that there is room for doubt. She also tell you straight up that you can believe what you want, she just doesn't want you preaching it as gospel.

She goes crazy even if you say that it might be true.

[raging_monkey]

Sera doesn't really know what the hell she believes in from a religious viewpoint, she is sorta kinda Andrastian, sorta but she demands that your Dalish elf deny their beliefs to continue the romance. Gah this still annoys me to no end.

blackwall does state she doesnt know who she is and doesnt care. That she be taken into consideration