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#39626
Xilizhra

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Okay that's fair enough, I can sympathise with disappointment and I'm sorry that she didn't click with yo. I disagree with how much it is being exaggerated though!
I will agree that it is odd that she can be booted at any time too, but I wouldn't be so quick to say that is evidence that they thought she would be unlikeable.

I'm positive that they knew it. They couldn't have written her in that way without knowing it.



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YourFunnyUncle

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And they absolutely should not have done so for a romance option, especially one trying to represent lesbians.

 

That has nothing to do with anything. The problem was with making her a romance option.

Make up your mind!

 

Seriously though, I've no problem with her being a romance option. None whatsoever, if you take the "being representative of lesbians" out of the equation. You get plenty of warning of what she's like before you enter into a romance with her. If a similar character were straight, I'd have no problem romancing them.


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#39628
jlb524

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It wouldn't be a representation problem if there was another lesbian companion who was romanceable.


I guess I was thinking there would be two bisexual female options instead (Cass and Josie let's say) in this hypothetical.

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How can people not love Sera?

 

She has alot of unattractive qualities, glaring ones but despite her flaws she has some good in there. I'm not writing her off yet.


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#39630
Xilizhra

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Make up your mind!

 

Seriously though, I've no problem with her being a romance option. None whatsoever, if you take the "being representative of lesbians" out of the equation. You get plenty of warning of what she's like before you enter into a romance with her. If a similar character were straight, I'd have no problem romancing them.

 

It's about the damn lesbian romance option.

 

 

I guess I was thinking there would be two bisexual female options instead (Cass and Josie let's say) in this hypothetical.

And two bisexual men, with that being the end of it? I could stand that.



#39631
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I'm positive that they knew it. They couldn't have written her in that way without knowing it.

Conspiracy is afoot it seems...


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#39632
Xilizhra

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Conspiracy is afoot it seems...

It's not a conspiracy to just not give a ****.



#39633
New Kid

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It's not a conspiracy to just not give a ****.

Uh... wut?



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Spoiler


Spoiler

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#39635
Xilizhra

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Uh... wut?

To not care about creating a decent experience.



#39636
tobynator89

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To not care about creating a decent experience.

 

For you specifically perhaps. I had a blast romancing sera. Sometimes you need some fun in the relationship. And I'd totally teach her how to bake proper cookies.



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To not care about creating a decent experience.

Of course they care! How dare you say they don't care! They put time and effort into making this damn game. Just because you don't like the character doesn't mean they didn't care, hot damn...



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YourFunnyUncle

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It's about the damn lesbian romance option.

 

But I talked about that, and you said "That has nothing to do with anything." Oh... You just chose to ignore the first paragraph of my post.


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#39639
raging_monkey

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To not care about creating a decent experience.

to be fair it was decent just didnt jive with some

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She has alot of unattractive qualities, glaring ones but despite her flaws she has some good in there. I'm not writing her off yet.

Sure she has her good qualities, but they are buried pretty deep under the bad.

 

As for how someone can not like her: the same way someone can not like Morrigan, Leliana, Alistair, Isabela, Zevran, Anders, Fenris, Merril, Sebastian and any other character in the series. Different people have different tastes and compatibilities. 

 

Sera just didn't click for me. It rankles a bit because she's the first lesbian romance and I feel a little disappointed. Back to pining for Cassandra.


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Because she's not lovable.

 

In your opinion. This is completely subjective.

A person can be lovable despite the flaws.

 

People love Joker for the **** he does, he's 100% evil yet lovable. Same for Harley Quinn and many other characters who do some or many questionable things.



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Xilizhra

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For you specifically perhaps. I had a blast romancing sera. Sometimes you need some fun in the relationship. And I'd totally teach her how to bake proper cookies.

Ah, yes. Being constantly attacked for my culture and religion is indeed fun. But not in a relationship.

 

 

Of course they care! How dare you say they don't care! They put time and effort into making this damn game. Just because you don't like the character doesn't mean they didn't care, hot damn...

They care about what seemed like a good idea at the time to them. I have no illusions that Lukas gives a damn about us--anyone who likes elves at all. Or, ****, maybe even lesbians.

 

 

But I talked about that, and you said "That has nothing to do with anything." Oh... You just chose to ignore the first paragraph of my post.

Her being a lesbian in and of itself. It's a combination of that and the romance option thing.

 

 

to be fair it was decent

No.



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Cookie for you :D

 

And i honestly like Sera. Her opinions can be grating but....Somehow i just let them slide with her.



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Man alive this is tiresome. I just wanted to chat about my female dwarf and Sera's funny kiss!  <_<



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tobynator89

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Actually, Sera did the masterpiece of converting me to not give a crap about being an elf anymore. I was impressed.


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#39646
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Because she's not lovable.

Why not take accept her for who she is rather than dismiss her for who she isn't?

 

I think she's perfectly lovable. The fact that she has such a flawed yet persistent character automatically puts her above many other BioWare characters.


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jlb524

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Man alive this is tiresome. I just wanted to chat about my female dwarf and Sera's funny kiss! <_<


What happened different from the other races?

I haven't played a dwarf yet.

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Xilizhra

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Why not take accept her for who she is rather than dismiss her for who she isn't?

 

I think she's perfectly lovable. The fact that she has such a flawed yet persistent character automatically puts her above many other BioWare characters.

Because what she is stole my romance slot.



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Man alive this is tiresome. I just wanted to chat about my female dwarf and Sera's funny kiss!  <_<

Considering Sera's really tall for an elf (she seems a bit taller than my human male Inquisitor), I can only imagine how adorably awkward that could be.


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#39650
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What happened different from the other races?

I haven't played a dwarf yet.

I haven't played through her entire romance, but the kiss is hilarious and cute. She has to bend over and grab her head haha.


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