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[introverted_assassin]

immaturity doe...

[Fiery Phoenix]

I'm starting to hope whatever major DLC we get next will somehow mitigate these issues with Sera. Seeing an increasing number of regulars and friends in here express disappointment to the point of getting away is depressing me

 

Also, Crim, please do let us know how you find her romance with a human (or whatever race you're trying next).

[Knight of Dane]

Funny, now that I don't frequent the Sera thread a lot any more I find the discussions here farther and farther out every time I check in

 

 

This time it's crotch-kicking, tomorrow it's going to be redstone in minecaft and in two days the lunar landing.

[Serza]

What did I do? Nothing. I wasn't exactly a friend of the guy.

 

I'm pretty sure he had SOME friends. Everyone does, unless they chose what I chose.

[LightningPoodle]

Funny, now that I don't frequent the Sera thread a lot any more I find the discussions here farther and farther out every time I check in

 

 

This time it's crotch-kicking, tomorrow it's going to be redstone in minecaft and in two days the lunar landing.

The lunar landing was a hoax designed to keep the simple folk under the governments thumb!

[LightningPoodle]

I'm pretty sure he had SOME friends. Everyone does, unless they chose what I chose.

 

Solitary confinement?

[Knight of Dane]

The lunar landing was a hoax designed to keep the simple folk under the governments thumb!

I said in two days time, not now. I'm giving you time to take notes of the arguments you're going to bring!

[YourFunnyUncle]

I'm starting to hope whatever major DLC we get next will somehow mitigate these issues with Sera. Seeing an increasing number of regulars and friends in here express disappointment to the point of getting away is depressing me

 

This. Several people I like and respect have clearly had a bad experience. Although I don't share the dissatisfaction, I do understand it, and as someone who has always felt like a bit of an imposter here, it's making me sad.

[CrimsonN7]

I'm starting to hope whatever major DLC we get next will somehow mitigate these issues with Sera. Seeing an increasing number of regulars and friends in here express disappointment to the point of getting away is depressing me

 

Also, Crim, please do let us know how you find her romance with a human (or whatever race you're trying next).

 

I would have been happy to have had the option to reach some kind of middle ground with Sera without having to compromise my Dalish's beliefs. Would have liked to have had an opportunity to talk to her about it, without her blowing up on me. Communication is important.

 

As for my 2nd run, I'm just doing the Hushed Whispers mission right now, brought Sera along, enjoying my time as a mage. Combat is fun.

[LightningPoodle]

I said in two days time, not now. I'm giving you time to take notes of the arguments you're going to bring!

 

Oh ok. I'll save my conspiracy theories for Wednesday evening.

[Kalliane]

We've been polarized. there are things that I want to commemt about but I know i'd be damn near banned from the board if I did. It'd be seen as an attack because I have a strong personality. The truth of the matter is that the writer does deserve constructive criticism. not hate...constructive criticism.

and I really don't want to think this way but the thought keeps swirling in my mind that this is why a lot of people take issue with men writing female characters. like...if no one else sees this, i'm sorry but my spirit will not let that thought go. and I hate that because I am a writer and a woman and our imagination can take us far...but I don't think I would write a say...gay man well. I can take from my experience with other gay men but the picture still won't be complete. I...don't know. I can't quite type what I mean here. *oprah head shake*

I don't think you need to say that a man can't write a female character or that you couldn't write a gay man well.  If you do make that argument sucessfully we'll end up with less women and diversity in games. 

 

Most of the problem with Sera in this thread seemed to have more to do with the idea that Sera is a static character; she can't and won't change her opinions about much.  The thing she does seem to have a little flexibility with is Andraste.  She nominally joins the inquisition to see if "it's all real." (I'm not 100% sure that's a direct quote), but my play through never let me see even that develop.  Instead I was treated to reinforced inflexibilty with the mythal conversation without a real compelling reason about why Sera was so narrow minded other than she wanted to be on the winning side.  Other Sera dialog let me know that Sera is capable richer justifications than she gave in the mythal dialog.  That dialog was one of the most frustrating in the game. 

 

The truth is that characters who don't develop or change over the course of the story just aren't that fun.  Especially if you've chosen them as a LI or one of your core party.

[Serza]

Solitary confinement?

 

Is it another way to say "distrustful of people, would rather stay forever alone"?

[LightningPoodle]

Is it another way to say "distrustful of people, would rather stay forever alone"?

 

Really? That is, kind off sad actually. You don't trust people? How come?

[syllogi]

We've been polarized. there are things that I want to commemt about but I know i'd be damn near banned from the board if I did. It'd be seen as an attack because I have a strong personality. The truth of the matter is that the writer does deserve constructive criticism. not hate...constructive criticism.

and I really don't want to think this way but the thought keeps swirling in my mind that this is why a lot of people take issue with men writing female characters. like...if no one else sees this, i'm sorry but my spirit will not let that thought go. and I hate that because I am a writer and a woman and our imagination can take us far...but I don't think I would write a say...gay man well. I can take from my experience with other gay men but the picture still won't be complete. I...don't know. I can't quite type what I mean here. *oprah head shake*

 

I remember when Maria Caliban first brought up the issue of a man writing a lesbian character before the game came out, and some people seemed to want to shut that discussion down (although Lukas Kristjanson did post a response, which he didn't have to do), probably because they thought it was "impolite", but I personally think that, even if you're not part of a group, accurately depicting that group is a responsibility beyond just saying that you don't think of the character as "just" that thing.  I'll be honest, even if I like Sera, I think a better job could have been done at trying to realistically depict her sexuality as it relates to the rest of her back story.

 

I really wish we could have honest and open discussions about what did or didn't work with Sera's character without it getting heated in here, because, yeah, the one day I opened my mouth on tumblr, I got attacked and lost a couple of long time mutual followers (one of whom doesn't have the game and is waiting for Denuvo to be cracked, but she HEARD things about Sera and had already made up her mind...) so I can't talk over there either, apparently, unless I'm very, very careful not to offend people who heard things from other people who had seen one thing on YouTube that made them kick Sera out of their games forever.

 

It's so incredibly rare to have a lesbian character in a video game at all, much less one from one of my favorite developers, and I'm kind of floored by the reception she's gotten, but I do think that at least some of it has merit.  I feel like Bioware made her extremely disposable as a party member, and it's sad.

[Fiery Phoenix]

This. Several people I like and respect have clearly had a bad experience. Although I don't share the dissatisfaction, I do understand it, and as someone who has always felt like a bit of an imposter here, it's making me sad.

Pretty much. I don't share it, either, but I get it.

[WildOrchid]

I would have been happy to have had the option to reach some kind of middle ground with Sera without having to compromise my Dalish's beliefs. Would have liked to have had an opportunity to talk to her about it, without her blowing up on me. Communication is important.

 

As for my 2nd run, I'm just doing the Hushed Whispers mission right now, brought Sera along, enjoying my time as a mage. Combat is fun.

 

Did you got Sera with you in the fade mission on your first run?

The scene after that always gets me, damn.

[Duelist]

This. Several people I like and respect have clearly had a bad experience. Although I don't share the dissatisfaction, I do understand it, and as someone who has always felt like a bit of an imposter here, it's making me sad.

What, we have impostors here? Die heathens!

For serial though, I get why their angry but I don't share the disappointment of others and I'm way too ignorant to be jumping into discussions on the issues being raised.

If nothing else its been enlightening. I do miss all the groping though.

[LightningPoodle]

What, we have impostors here? Die heathens!

For serial though, I get why their angry but I don't share the disappointment of others and I'm way too ignorant to be jumping into discussions on the issues being raised.

If nothing else its been enlightening. I do miss all the groping though.

For you, baby, I'll grab anything.

[Duelist]

For you, baby, I'll grab anything.

Your thing. It's not my thing.

[CrimsonN7]

 

It's so incredibly rare to have a lesbian character in a video game at all, much less one from one of my favorite developers, and I'm kind of floored by the reception she's gotten, but I do think that at least some of it has merit.  I feel like Bioware made her extremely disposable as a party member, and it's sad.

 

Didn't want to have this outcome myself as I was looking forward to meeting her for sometime, but damn does she make it hard to like her at times. Takes alot of effort, she felt too real at times. Perhaps that is why I struggled with her.

[LightningPoodle]

Your thing. It's not my thing.

 

Sorry.

[CrimsonN7]

Did you got Sera with you in the fade mission on your first run?

The scene after that always gets me, damn.

 

Yeah I brought her along for all the major missions. Anything demony with Sera brings out the softie in me.

[WildOrchid]

I really wish we could have honest and open discussions about what did or didn't work with Sera's character without it getting heated in here, because, yeah, the one day I opened my mouth on tumblr, I got attacked and lost a couple of long time mutual followers (one of whom doesn't have the game and is waiting for Denuvo to be cracked, but she HEARD things about Sera and had already made up her mind...) so I can't talk over there either, apparently, unless I'm very, very careful not to offend people who heard things from other people who had seen one thing on YouTube that made them kick Sera out of their games forever.

 

Tumblr is... sigh. I fully support people who post their thoughts here, i'd love to read them.

[LightningPoodle]

Goodnight everyone. Please don't start a nuclear war without me. I want to get a good seat and have popcorn ready.

[Kris23]

If i want to romance Sera. Do i have to have her with me all the time out in the field or do i just need to play my cards right whenever i am talking to her?