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[introverted_assassin]

I know I didn't need to.say that...I didn't even want to. Eric Jerome Dickey can write the hell.out of a female character for whatever reason yo...like...he gets it and I have no idea how he does it so accurately. So I know it's possible but this...wasn't it for me. And you really can't discount that this is the first lesbian in a bioware series. as much as we want to say "well that shouldn't matter", you literally can't or at the very least shouldn't. And not if you're coming from a place of privilege either. Not.you literally, speaking in general.

Kerry Washington was on that Bill Maher show and had to check someone about that. Dude was trying to tell her that she was better off as a black woman in America. He is a white straight male. You get me? It's on YouTube, if anyone needs context but it is an example of what i mean about coming from a place of privilege.

[Mihura]

Personally I have a bigger issues with her character being disposable and the transphobic remarks, than let us say Sera being a static character with little, to no development.

I tried really hard to like her romance but in the end I just could not. Also I believe a man can write a good lesbian character if he does his search and talks with people. Batwoman comics are a good example or even The Runways from Marvel. Of course people with experience can see more but somehow I get the impression bioware knew she was problematic.

[Efvie]

I'll be honest, even if I like Sera, I think a better job could have been done at trying to realistically depict her sexuality as it relates to the rest of her back story.

 

How does it relate to it?

 

I don’t think I noticed anything—which goes with the theme that orientation is a non-issue in (southern) Thedas.

[AresKeith]

Didn't want to have this outcome myself as I was looking forward to meeting her for sometime, but damn does she make it hard to like her at times. Takes alot of effort, she felt too real at times. Perhaps that is why I struggled with her.

 

I think that's what I like about Sera the most, she's one of the more real characters

[CrimsonN7]

If i want to romance Sera. Do i have to have her with me all the time out in the field or do i just need to play my cards right whenever i am talking to her?  

 

You're better off bringing her with you for some fetch quests you can earn approval with her on these. Also talking to her back at Skyhold, hit the flirts and just be generally agreeable with her. Lol even on my first playthrough with all the fighting I still managed to see it through to the end.

[Knight of Dane]

Personally I have a bigger issues with her character being disposable and the transphobic remarks, than let us say Sera being a static character with little, to no development.

I tried really hard to like her romance but in the end I just could not. Also I believe a man can write a good lesbian characters if he does his search and talks with people. Batwoman comics are a good example or even The Runways from Marvel. Of course people with experience can see more but somehow I get the impression bioware knew she was problematic.

 

Pretty much.

 

The Duke of the school of Arts at my university is a lesbian woman; in the first year she had a long presentation in a creative writing seminar where she talked about inspiration, myth and culture and related it to her own history and personality.

 

To sum up her point; anyone can write anything as long as they research their subject and has the creative room in their imagination.

 

It's a interesting discussion nevertheless and I can perfectly understand why some find it important. I've tried to write both gay and lesbian characters but never really felt like I got it "right," or did very well; Maybe I'll get it somewhere down the line.

[Serza]

Really? That is, kind off sad actually. You don't trust people? How come?

 

Friends that weren't friends.

And some bad experience in that way.

I shall say no more.

 

If i want to romance Sera. Do i have to have her with me all the time out in the field or do i just need to play my cards right whenever i am talking to her?  

 

Yeah, just get a good hand in Wicked Grace, and you've half the success.

[Sporothrix]

I really like Sera as a character, but man does she have some big flaws. I can see why she's so divisive, and I can see how some lesbians would be upset at having their first representation in a DA game be her. On the other hand I can also see why BioWare would take a firm "sexuality is independent of character" stance. It's a knotty issue, indeed.

Wasn't Branka the first and only until Sera's appearance lesbian representation in DA games?

[syllogi]

 

How does it relate to it?

 

I don’t think I noticed anything—which goes with the theme that orientation is a non-issue in (southern) Thedas.

 

My point is that I don't know, because in many ways, Sera is a cipher.  I know that I've seen many lesbian or bisexual female characters in the past who *did* have their sexualities worked into their characters, and even if they were nothing like me in regards to class/race/religion, etc., I could relate to them because love and sexuality is a common theme.  

 

A really good example of something we almost *never* see straight writers tackle when it comes to lesbians, is the Man Talk.  Have you ever slept with a man?  Would you ever sleep with a man?  Would you mind if *I* had slept with a man, whether or not I'm bisexual?  They LOVE writing about lesbians who sleep with men, but they almost never show two or more lesbians who *aren't* sleeping with men talking about how they feel about men.  And that's something I've had in every relationship with a woman I've had, and something I've talked about with other women who dated women.  Knowing where you stand in relation to that is important to many lesbians/bi women.  And yeah, I think that it's something that would come up even in Thedas.

 

Claiming that because southern Thedas is super accepting of homosexuality, we should give the writers a pass on writing dialogue specific to women who are in love with *women* doesn't really cut it, imo.  I mean, it's not all that different in how gender roles are portrayed.  It's not that hard to see how it could work.

[YourFunnyUncle]

Wasn't Branka the first and only until Sera's appearance lesbian representation in DA games?

I meant as a companion and love interest.

[Serza]

Wasn't Branka the first and only until Sera's appearance lesbian representation in DA games?

 

Indeed that is true, that bloody poetess.

Made Oghren go hide in his tent and cry, too, when he realized...

[Serza]

I meant as a companion and love interest.

 

Also true...

[Mihura]

My point is that I don't know, because in many ways, Sera is a cipher.  I know that I've seen many lesbian or bisexual female characters in the past who *did* have their sexualities worked into their characters, and even if they were nothing like me in regards to class/race/religion, etc., I could relate to them because love and sexuality is a common theme.  

 

A really good example of something we almost *never* see straight writers tackle when it comes to lesbians, is the Man Talk.  Have you ever slept with a man?  Would you ever sleep with a man?  Would you mind if *I* had slept with a man, whether or not I'm bisexual?  They LOVE writing about lesbians who sleep with men, but they almost never show two or more lesbians who *aren't* sleeping with men talking about how they feel about men.  And that's something I've had in every relationship with a woman I've had, and something I've talked about with other women who dated women.  Knowing where you stand in relation to that is important to many lesbians/bi women.  And yeah, I think that it's something that would come up even in Thedas.

 

Claiming that because southern Thedas is super accepting of homosexuality, we should give the writers a pass on writing dialogue specific to women who are in love with *women* doesn't really cut it, imo.  I mean, it's not all that different in how gender roles are portrayed.  It's not that hard to see how it could work.

 

Actually Isabela is a good example, she does a lot of gender talk. Even Cassandra lol

[Machionio]

Hello there everyone. Thought I'd come out of stealth mode and introduce myself. I haven't posted on the forums since they shut down the character discussion threads for ME3.

[WildOrchid]

Hello there everyone. Thought I'd come out of stealth mode and introduce myself. I haven't posted on the forums since they shut down the character discussion threads for ME3.

 

Hello!

[Sporothrix]

Claiming that because southern Thedas is super accepting of homosexuality, we should give the writers a pass on writing dialogue specific to women who are in love with *women* doesn't really cut it, imo.  I mean, it's not all that different in how gender roles are portrayed.  It's not that hard to see how it could work.

My thoughts exactly, but where did that opinion that southern Thedas is super accepting of homosexuality came from? The Codex says something very different. That they won't kill you for it is not exactly the same as acceptance.

[CrimsonN7]

Hello there everyone. Thought I'd come out of stealth mode and introduce myself. I haven't posted on the forums since they shut down the character discussion threads for ME3.

 

That section was shut down some time back, along time to be in exile. *waves*

[Xilizhra]

Were you fine with the Vallaslin reveal? Seemed others predicted this before, didn't expect that, also the Solas and Flemeth reveals, shocking but very interesting.

I didn't romance Solas and thus didn't get it, so I can't say.

[bayosera]

Some amazing cosplay

http://gloriousdownf...y-me-bettcanard

[Xilizhra]

Well, I've now finished the game myself, and...

 

It was, for me, probably the weakest entry in the series. I'm glad I played it, because I found results that I needed to have happen and loved it. And there were wonderful moments in the game, certainly. But the game as a whole, just wasn't quite right for me. The central narrative is weak, the main villain has a lot of wasted potential, the open world design leaves you flailing around for content that's actually interesting, the companions are only patchily good and don't have nearly enough banter, the combat isn't an improvement, and the PC backgrounds aren't used any more than in Origins.

[Efvie]

A really good example of something we almost *never* see straight writers tackle when it comes to lesbians, is the Man Talk.  Have you ever slept with a man?  Would you ever sleep with a man?  Would you mind if *I* had slept with a man, whether or not I'm bisexual?  They LOVE writing about lesbians who sleep with men, but they almost never show two or more lesbians who *aren't* sleeping with men talking about how they feel about men.  And that's something I've had in every relationship with a woman I've had, and something I've talked about with other women who dated women.  Knowing where you stand in relation to that is important to many lesbians/bi women.  And yeah, I think that it's something that would come up even in Thedas.

 

Mm, that could be interesting, maybe. Could work as a part of a larger effort to better depict that initial phase of getting to know somebody, too.

 

(Although I’m fairly certain that if they did have such a conversation, then somebody would complain about having dragged men into it.)

 

My thoughts exactly, but where did that opinion that southern Thedas is super accepting of homosexuality came from? The Codex says something very different. That they won't kill you for it is not exactly the same as acceptance.

 

I’ll have to disagree with you on the reading. Nor have I seen any evidence to the contrary in the interactions in any three games. Have you?

I appreciate it if you want it to be more like the world we live in where we’re all subjected to the traumas of discrimination. It is more relatable that way. But, to me, it seems that that’s obviously not the case, and the characters need to be evaluated as products of a society where orientation doesn’t cause more contention than handedness.

[Efvie]

don't have nearly enough banter

 

Are you sure you didn’t run into the infamous banter bug? More on that on the Feedback board.

[Xilizhra]

Are you sure you didn’t run into the infamous banter bug? More on that on the Feedback board.

I thought they denied that existed.

[jlb524]

(Although I’m fairly certain that if they did have such a conversation, then somebody would complain about having dragged men into it.)

 

*coughs* probably me *coughs*

[Lady Luminous]

I thought they denied that existed.

 

They said they couldn't replicate it on their systems and so they couldn't test it/fix it. 

 

They know it exists and are working on it though. (Paraphrased from various twitter posts)