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#40826
Sporothrix

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Well, Sera doesn't care about what society wants and Antiva has no problem with queer relationships. I understand your concern, certainly, and agree in general, but it's not wholly unfitting.

That's why the word "poetess" which is apparently supposed to be synonym for "lesbian" doesn't appear in her talk even once and as it's been pointed out by some guy on Reddit who romanced her as a man due to bug, there is nothing in her romance conversations that would make it feel out of place? For some reason, they even partially recorded the sex scene dialogue with male voice.



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That's why the word "poetess" which is apparently supposed to be synonym for "lesbian" doesn't appear in her talk even once and as it's been pointed out by some guy on Reddit who romanced her as a man due to bug, there is nothing in her romance conversations that would make it feel out of place? For some reason, they even partially recorded the sex scene dialogue with male voice.

 

No they didn't, now your just being paranoid 



#40828
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That's why the word "poetess" which is apparently supposed to be synonym for "lesbian" doesn't appear in her talk even once and as it's been pointed out by some guy on Reddit who romanced her as a man due to bug, there is nothing in her romance conversations that would make it feel out of place? For some reason, they even partially recorded the sex scene dialogue with male voice.

Hmm. What would you prefer to have added into her romance scenes to make it feel out of place?



#40829
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Because he believed he could rule Fereldan better than the man who would ask for aid from Orlais.

 

Solas claims he dreamt at Ostagar, and says that there was a "General that refused to sacrifice more men in a lost battle" or something.

 

It was pure grey over there.



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Ugh. Orlesians.


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#40831
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Solas claims he dreamt at Ostagar, and says that there was a "General that refused to sacrifice more men in a lost battle" or something.

 

It was pure grey over there.

 

Doesn't Solas also say that the memories he see's aren't the actual events that happened. Each spirit he receives the memories from views these events differently. One could see all of the pain and death whilst another could see the small bastion of hope in the middle of a field of battle.


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#40832
Lady Luminous

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*snip*

 

 

 

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Ugh. Orlesians.

 

I am soooo excited to attend the ball as a qunari lady. It's going to be bloody fantastic!


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#40833
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Just an update on the hotfix (it will be today but may require some more fiddling with your settings to get everything back right):

 

http://forum.bioware...h-2/?p=18039964


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#40834
Ianamus

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You realise writing a game does require you to leave stuff ambiguous in order to create interest and tension. We think that many mages are sent away. This isn't the case, it just hasn't been revealed yet. It will likely have some interesting reveal such as a clan getting slaughtered by a ton of abominations in a future game. Or perhaps, the Elves do claim a land they can truly call home and that's only by the assistance of a clan full of mages. BioWare are leaving possibilities, not cold hard facts.

 

Some things are obviously supposed to be ambiguous or characters opinions, and others aren't.

 

Things like whether the Maker is real or the mage Templar conflict are ambiguous. Some characters express one opinion, other characters express different opinions.

 

In this instance: two separate mages state that they were booted from their clans and Vivienne states that Dalish clans do so as if it is common knowledge. There are no characters who claim this is a rare or unusual occurrence, and everyone seems to think it is fairly standard. The only clan who is confirmed not to do so is the players, who is explicitly stated to be a very unusual clan that tardes with humans and is very open-minded.

 

I don't think this is supposed to be seen as an ambiguous issue. Obviously it varies from clan to clan, but this is clearly presented as something that happens fairly often.



#40835
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I am soooo excited to attend the ball as a qunari lady. It's going to be bloody fantastic!


Seras "introduction" there is thing of beauty xD
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#40836
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No they didn't, now your just being paranoid 

They did, here's the link to the thread in which someone posted that awful video

http://www.reddit.co...sera_as_a_male/

 

The first sentence has been voiced by a male VA, then it goes silent. And as far as I know, male character never gets to say those lines in any different context so I wonder if it's not similar remnant as occassional same-sex lines in ME2 in romances that were originally supposed to be bisexual, but then it's been cut off.



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Fiery Phoenix

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I am soooo excited to attend the ball as a qunari lady. It's going to be bloody fantastic!

To make it even more fantastic, make sure you bring Sera along!



#40838
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Seras "introduction" there is thing of beauty xD

 

I am going to make sure she is part of my ball party because some things I just have to see for myself!  ;)



#40839
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Some things are obviously supposed to be ambiguous or characters opinions, and others aren't.

 

Things like whether the Maker is real or the mage Templar conflict are ambiguous. Some characters express one opinion, other characters express different opinions.

 

In this instance: two separate mages state that they were booted from their clans and Vivienne states that Dalish clans do so as if it is common knowledge. There are no characters who claim this is a rare or unusual occurrence, and everyone seems to think it is fairly standard. The only clan who is confirmed not to do so is the players, who is explicitly stated to be a very unusually clan that tardes with humans and is very open-minded.

 

I don't think this is supposed to be seen as an ambiguous issue. Obviously it varies from clan to clan, but this is clearly presented as something that happens fairly often.

 

Yeah, but not all of the time. What I was trying to get across is that there isn't a view point that says differently compared to the few we have but that's not to say there aren't any. Perhaps ambiguous is the wrong word but the fact remains, until we hear it from the Dalish Conclave thing: mentioned in DA:2 I believe when all the clans meet, we won't actually get a definitive answer. And even then, it might not be so straight forward. 



#40840
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I don't think this is supposed to be seen as an ambiguous issue. Obviously it varies from clan to clan, but this is clearly presented as something that happens fairly often.


And you don't think that the sources are a tiny bit tainted? A circle cheerleader (who wouldn't have any knowledge of the customs of the various clans let alone how many mages per clan is there at any given time which is kinda important when you calculate how rare or common an occurrence is....) and two bitter mages. We are given a viewpoint that SOME clans do this. Which I don't doubt a second. But to make a wide sweeping statement that its somehow common based on the tainted source present is misinformation.

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Yeah, but not all of the time. What I was trying to get across is that there isn't a view point that says differently compared to the few we have but that's not to say there aren't any. Perhaps ambiguous is the wrong word but the fact remains, until we hear it from the Dalish Conclave thing: mentioned in DA:2 I believe when all the clans meet, we won't actually get a definitive answer. And even then, it might not be so straight forward. 

 

I haven't gotten the sense from the earlier games that the Dalish are absolute in their view of mages. They don't seem to be very cohesive politically so I think you're likely right.



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To make it even more fantastic, make sure you bring Sera along!

 

I've been trying to decide. I'm definitely bringing Bull so he can sweep me around on the dance floor, and probably Vivienne because that would just be cruel to leave her behind. But my last companion... I'm torn between Cole, Varric, and I can't bring Sera because she's not in my party this playthrough. 


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#40843
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Seras "introduction" there is thing of beauty xD

 

Apparently I'm being prodded to bring Sera along, except I can't... because she's not in my party this playthrough... 



#40844
Fiery Phoenix

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Apparently I'm being prodded to bring Sera along, except I can't... because she's not in my party this playthrough... 

How come?

 

You can go back to VR and get her. It takes like 10 minutes.



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Apparently I'm being prodded to bring Sera along, except I can't... because she's not in my party this playthrough... 

Parties can change... especially for a party! *runs away*

 

Unless you kicked her out?



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Apparently I'm being prodded to bring Sera along, except I can't... because she's not in my party this playthrough... 

 

I've made up my mind to take her. Just for the fun heh heh! Going to take Cassandra too. Torn on whether to include Viv as there is a tough fight in that sequence and I think Dorian and Solas are a little more buffed then her because I botched Viv's development (a mistake I won't make again).



#40847
Lady Luminous

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How come?

 

You can go back to VR and get her. It takes like 10 minutes.

 

I told her I didn't want her? *cower* Don't shoot me with arrows, please!



#40848
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They did, here's the link to the thread in which someone posted that awful video

http://www.reddit.co...sera_as_a_male/

 

The first sentence has been voiced by a male VO, then it goes silent. And as far as I know, male character never gets to say those lines in any different context so I wonder if it's not similar remnant as occassional same-sex lines in ME2 in romances that were originally supposed to be bisexual, but then it's been cut off.

It could possibly be that the "get Sera a present" quest was at one point a friendship quest with possible romantic extras, which then got made romance only, but some assets were accidentally left in. We can't really know the development process behind it.

 

That said, Sera's romance could clearly be turned into a bisexual one far more easily than Dorian's. Her sexuality is much less prevalent in her plot in general.


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#40849
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I've made up my mind to take her. Just for the fun heh heh! Going to take Cassandra too. Torn on whether to include Viv as there is a tough fight in that sequence and I think Dorian and Solas are a little more buffed then her because I botched Viv's development (a mistake I won't make again).

You can respec her... The blacksmith sells amulets that allow you to redistribute your skills. They cost about 370 gold.


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#40850
Lady Luminous

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I've made up my mind to take her. Just for the fun heh heh! Going to take Cassandra too. Torn on whether to include Viv as there is a tough fight in that sequence and I think Dorian and Solas are a little more buffed then her because I botched Viv's development (a mistake I won't make again).

 

You can always respec her before the ball. 


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