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[prosthetic soul]

So let me get this straight

Sera is one of them Self-hating elves? 

[introverted_assassin]

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So this happened and I have failed to unsee...

[ComedicSociopathy]

So let me get this straight

Sera is one of them Self-hating elves? 

 

Sort of. I mean she never flat says it, and she's perfectly willing to work with elves just as long as they don't go on about elfy stuff, but yes, she does have something of a self-hating complex going on. 

[AresKeith]

Well we never really get her opinion on City Elves, but she doesn't like Dalish Culture 

[YourFunnyUncle]

So let me get this straight
Sera is one of them Self-hating elves?

Nope. She can be self critical occasionally but the two things she hates are nobles and elven culture. You could argue that hating "elfiness" means hating her own heritage, but she'd just laugh at you and blow a raspberry in your face.

[prosthetic soul]

Nope. She can be self critical occasionally but the two things she hates are nobles and elven culture. You could argue that hating "elfiness" means hating her own heritage, but she'd just laugh at you and blow a raspberry in your face.

That...doesn't really change the fact she hates elves and thus herself.  That just means she's obnoxious about it.

[veeia]

She is definitely a self loathing elf, by the definition anyone would commonly apply when talking about a self hating member of any group.

[raging_monkey]

She is definitely a self loathing elf, by the definition anyone would commonly apply when talking about a self hating member of any group.

i partly blame her adopted mother

[AresKeith]

She is definitely a self loathing elf, by the definition anyone would commonly apply when talking about a self hating member of any group.

 

Can we apply some of the Dalish and City Elves to that too? lol

[YourFunnyUncle]

That...doesn't really change the fact she hates elves and thus herself. That just means she's obnoxious about it.

Nope. She doesn't hate elves at all. See her reaction to seeing the elven servants murdered in the Winter palace for an example.

[veeia]

Can we apply some of the Dalish and City Elves to that too? lol

I'm sure there are some, sure, haha.

[YourFunnyUncle]

She is definitely a self loathing elf, by the definition anyone would commonly apply when talking about a self hating member of any group.

Heh. I never really used that definition but googlIng I see it's common as you say. Joys of being a privileged straight white guy I guess...

Still I'm not sure how strongly it applies as though she's dismissive of the trees in alienages she reserves her worst dislike for Dalish culture, and she ain't Dalish.

[Bowie Hawkins]

The Dalish don't commonly interact with the city elves, given how they are outlaws under Chantry law (although the fate of Clan Lavellan and the presence of a Dalish Inquisitor will likely change this). The Dalish live on their own, separate from the Andrastian kingdoms, and the clans can vary quite a bit, as we know from the early posts on Dragon Central, and more recently from Solas commenting on how varied the clans can be from one another. Sera also seems to have issue with elves in general, since she even dislikes certain elven options that have nothing to do with the Dalish (like the choice in the Orlesian civil war).

 

As a Jenny, Sera gets information from all over Ferelden and Orlais, and possibly farther afield than that, so she'd be in a position to know more than most City elves how the Dalish treat her kind. 

 

And the reason why Sera has a problem with decisions that favor Briala is because Briala uses people like tools that can be disposed of whenever they are no longer convenient. This makes her the worst sort of noble, and everything Sera hates about people with titles.

[LobselVith8]

As a Jenny, Sera gets information from all over Ferelden and Orlais, and possibly farther afield than that, so she'd be in a position to know more than most City elves how the Dalish treat her kind.

Considering they mostly avoid Andrastian society and vary from clan to clan, I don't see how Sera could accurately judge them as a whole, or why she shows such disdain when discovering that the Inquistor is an elf. We also know she doesn't always know the whole picture, and can react based on hearsay.

And the reason why Sera has a problem with decisions that favor Briala is because Briala uses people like tools that can be disposed of whenever they are no longer convenient. This makes her the worst sort of noble, and everything Sera hates about people with titles.

Briala is fighting a war to empower all the elves. She's also not a noble during the civil war.

[YourFunnyUncle]

I think that Sera does have a strong sense of identity, but as a common person not as an Elf. She doesn't distinguish between humans and elves when it comes to those mistreated by those in power. She doesn't hate elves so much as elven separatism. That's why she doesn't like the Dalish or Briala. She just thinks that people are people whatever their race.

[Nharia1]

Considering they mostly avoid Andrastian society and vary from clan to clan, I don't see how Sera could accurately judge them as a whole, or why she shows such disdain when discovering that the Inquistor is an elf. We also know she doesn't always know the whole picture, and can react based on hearsay.


Briala is fighting a war to empower all the elves. She's also not a noble during the civil war.

Briala's a self proclaimed noble it seems like... or she acts like one, which amounts to the same thing.

[veeia]

Briala's a self proclaimed noble it seems like... or she acts like one, which amounts to the same thing.

This makes me sad this is people's take away from the game, because that's really not what Briala in the book was about , and I think if you have read it, you can see that about her in the game somewhat? But the game itself plays its cards against her and makes her seem worse than she is so I can't blame people for thinking this.

Unless you have read TME and you still think that, then we'll just have to disagree there.

[LobselVith8]

Briala's a self proclaimed noble it seems like... or she acts like one, which amounts to the same thing.

Briala claims the title of 'ambassador', but her efforts to help the elves are completely genuine. She's the only one actively trying to help the elves.

[Bowie Hawkins]

Considering they mostly avoid Andrastian society and vary from clan to clan, I don't see how Sera could accurately judge them as a whole, or why she shows such disdain when discovering that the Inquistor is an elf. We also know she doesn't always know the whole picture, and can react based on hearsay.


Briala is fighting a war to empower all the elves. She's also not a noble during the civil war.

 

The information she has is all she can judge them on, and the canonical background materials show the Dalish to be dismissive at best toward the City elves. And Briala is trying to help one elf, specifically Briala. 

[AresKeith]

I think that Sera does have a strong sense of identity, but as a common person not as an Elf. She doesn't distinguish between humans and elves when it comes to those mistreated by those in power. She doesn't hate elves so much as elven separatism. That's why she doesn't like the Dalish or Briala. She just thinks that people are people whatever their race.

 

Sounds almost like the Solas description lol

[LobselVith8]

The information she has is all she can judge them on, and the canonical background materials show the Dalish to be dismissive at best toward the City elves. And Briala is trying to help one elf, specifically Briala.

The canonical information shows it varies, as Lanaya, Aneirin, and Pol prove, particularly given how the first two were literally rescued. Or the Circle mage who was welcomed by Ariane's clan. To pretend as though they are always treated poorly or dismissed is disingenuous.

Furthermore, your comment about Briala is disproven by the actual game, since she gives the elves rights - unlike any other leader who sits on the Orlesian throne.

[Jazzpha]

The information she has is all she can judge them on, and the canonical background materials show the Dalish to be dismissive at best toward the City elves. And Briala is trying to help one elf, specifically Briala. 

 

Well, arguably her and her entire network of Elven spies and rebels in Orlais.

 

Personally, I see her whole "I almost got someone killed because they had dirt on me" moment as the writers "pulling a Bhelen". They (BW) don't like white knights in their political scenarios, so they had to muddy the waters for Briala a bit or the choice between the three potential powers would seem too biased.

[Wissenschaft 2.0]

That...doesn't really change the fact she hates elves and thus herself.  That just means she's obnoxious about it.

 

Yes, thats a good word for Sera. Obnoxious. Just how much she dislikes elfyness is debatable but she sure is obnoxious about it. She also hates magic.

[LobselVith8]

Sera doesn't identify with the Dalish in any way shape or form. She doesn't care if she is an Elf and why should she? she has lived among humans, dwarfs and a myriad of other races and people. I am a descendent of German immigrants but I don't feel any connection to my ancestors or their history and or culture. It means almost nothing to me furthermore, if you play as an Dalish Elf and tell Solas " they are your people as well he clearly says the Dalish didn't see it that way" so, is it ok for the Dalish to be prejudiced against none Dalish but, not ok for Sera to really give a damn if she's an Elf?

Solas says some, not all. His comments about Clan Lavellan address how they care about what happens to everyone.

Frankly, I find it odd how some people act like an entire ethnic race of men, women, and children all act the same, despite the evidence to the contrary. Merrill, for example, voices that the plight of the city elves matters.